I don't think it'd take Bale-type money, but a substantial fee still.
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I don't think it'd take Bale-type money, but a substantial fee still.
If it's obvious then why did you say 'Bale-type money'?
They'd sell for less than £50 mill surely. If it takes £50 mill to sign Ross Barkley then we can all write off ever signing a player like that again because there's no way we'd pay that. And rightly so.
Obvious that it would take a substantial fee.
If Everton sold him for a "fair" fee in January, it would send the wring signals. They are at the moment challenging for a top four spot a CL qualification. They can't sell their best players mid-season if they have ambitions.
That's why I think we have no chance of signing him in January, as like you, I don't think we will pay silly money for him.
To be honest, I really can't put a figure on what it'd take to get them to listen. £40 million sounds a hell of a lot though. I imagine their owner (still Kenwright?) wouldn't turn that down.
His past injury problems would maybe encourage them to do a deal now whilst his stock is high. Who knows though, it's just guesswork. We're in a good position though given that his agent is our managers son.
would depend on when his contract expires. I think either way this is a summer deal.
I think you'd get him for 30. Anything over would make the Bale deal look a steal.
But again, you're putting yourself in the City/Chelsea bracket when it comes to spending. Chelsea signed Willian for no other reason than to stop another club from having him. That's why I used him as an example. If Mourinho's going to do that to a club that possibly offers no threat, then he'll not think twice about doing it to a club he sees as a potential rival. I would also imagine your super-rich neighbours wouldn't be too adverse on highjacking any possible deals you might have lined up either. The competition in The Premiership is absolutely intense. Far more so than in Spain, Germany, Italy etc. Without Fergie there to guide you through it's choppy waters. & with Moyes not pulling up any trees yet. There is a possibility that you could lose, rather than gain, the world class players you need to remain competitive, irrespective of much money you can pay in fees & salary. So it's not just Liverpool who stand to lose key players should we not finish in the top 4. At the end of the day, it's down to the quality of individual managers to overcome such challenges. Arsene Wenger is an excellent example. Look how he's turned things around after losing the likes of RVP, Fabregas, & Nasri over the past few years. Despite all the money City & Chelsea have spent, his Arsenal side are looking down on both of them. So losing Suarez would be a blow. But I've got faith that Rodgers has it in him to overcome such adversities
Like I say. Money isn't the be all, & end all, when it comes to sitting at the top table in English football. Having the right man in charge is the most important factor. You've had the best in the world for 20 odd years. & unless/until your new man proves otherwise, a hundred plus million profit every year ain't going to mean that much in the grand scheme of things.
I assume the people that want to sign him want one of Kagawa/Rooney to leave then? Or would you want to convert him into a CM?
You are underestimating our spending power, because you believe that our lack of spending in recent seasons is because we don't have the money, or we don't want to spend it.
The reality is that we haven't been in a position where we were desperate enough to overpay for anybody. We assigned a value, and tried to stay close to it. We carried on winning trophies.
The position now is slightly different. We are certainly not desperate, but I think a new manager needs a couple of big signings to put his stamp on the team, and the Glazers will recognise that. I believe that we would have spent very big on Fabregas if we were given the encouragement to do so.
As a football club we are a money-printing machine, and our debt is very manageable. I don't doubt that the Glazers will spend what is necessary to protect our place at the top of English football.
I don't think most people think that far ahead. They just like shiny new toys.
Indeed. I'd rather go for a player who plays CM/DM, that's the area of the pitch we really need to strengthen in. So I think with Barkley its a case of right player, wrong time. He should stay at Everton anyway for a few seasons and play first team football.
Just curious, where are people getting the idea to convert him into a CM from?
I don't think he will leave for a year or two at least, but then the situation could change if he goes to the World Cup (which he surely will if he maintains this form) and has a impact. Then it will just come down to which team he wants to play for. Might be us, but could just as easily be someone else. Depends a lot on his previous experiences with Moyes and his staff.
Will Hughes is a similar prospect that we should be looking at in the short-term. Far cheaper and with huge potential. He is ripe for a January move and could become a top player.
Because we need one, and square pegs always fit into round holes if you want them to badly enough.
Hughes is certainly one that I imagine most Premier League teams are looking at. Looks a real prospect for Derby. We also have Powell who seems to be being rotated around the pitch at Wigan. I'm not really sure what his best position will turn out to be. I could certainly see us going for Barkley if Rooneys contract situation doesn't get sorted.
But I don't think he's a player we should be throwing crazy money at unless a space opens up in the squad. I'd rather we get rid of the deadwood in central midfield and address that straight away. That should be the priority.
It'll be interesting to see if Barkley can force his way into the World Cup though. There's plenty of English players raising their games lately.
I reckon he's nailed-on for a place in the squad unless his form suffers dramatically. Given the climate we will be playing in I can see Hodgson setting us up to be solid and compact and to counter at pace. Barkley is probably (as of this moment) the best midfielder we have for that system, and with him and Wilshere in the team we might actually be able to compete and play football in the middle of the park. I could certainly see him playing behind Rooney with two pacey wingers either side. A lot can obviously change before then though.
The last player you signed from Spurs was well over 5 years ago. Things have changed: no bids from rival Prem clubs are entertained, only those from overseas clubs. Witness Modric and Bale.
Besides, if you don't make top 4 and Spurs do then the notion of "plucking" any Spurs player you want, when you want, becomes even more fanciful.
Last summer should have curbed the pretensions of United fans when it comes to your (much-reduced) pulling power ... but apparently you haven't yet gone past the denial stage, with much talk of 'biggest club in the world' and the like. Well, we'll see how well that works out if the Europa league is on offer.
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He looks more of a CM than an AM, where he currently plays. As an AM there will always be much better players than him. He looks like he'd make a top CM though amd I think most people have shared this opinion. By your logic Powell is a striker.
Why? He's played all over the pitch for Wigan. Barkley has played in the hole for the entire season in every game. Big difference.
Glaston is just a thoroughly miserable robot isn't he. At least the other oppo fans are game for a laugh, or even wind us up in a humorous way.
Powell has mostly been used further up and never in CM, which is basically where United seem to think he'll end up. Sometimes young players are played out of position in order to give them freedom and to make sure their feck ups aren't costly etc. I'm pretty sure that's what is happening with Barkley.
He has the attributes to become an excellent box-to-box player.
I agree. I always hope that along will come another Roy Keane type of player. Barkley has different attributes but I'd hope that he'd have that same impact in midfield and just become an all round beast in midfield. Unless he stays at Everton or goes elsewhere, in which case I hope he flops
Nah, Wigan have used him in CM a few times. Played last month in the Europa League in Central Midfield. They've used him as an emergency CF a fair few times to cover while Grant got back to fitness. Now they use Keane and Holt as CF while using Powell at AM and against better opposition in at CM.
Not watched the for a while but he never played CM once when I saw them. It's pretty beside the point I was making anyway. I could have used hundreds of other players that started their first team career out of position in order to get the experience.
I also don't doubt that your owners will make substantial funds available. The question is: How much is needed ? When you consider, that between them, City & Chelsea have splashed out somewhere between £600 - £700 million pounds over the past 3 years, & yet neither of them currently sits at the top of English football. In fact only City (once) have won the title in that 3 year period. This is testament to just how good Fegie was, & just how difficult it is to get to the top of the English tree.
We've seen Daniel Levy spending the Gareth Bale money like a kid in a very large sweetshop. The general opinion of many on here was that he'd done very well with a lot of his signings. Some even thought Spurs could put in a title challenge. There is nothing to suggest at the moment that buying all those players have increased their chances of a top 4 finish. So unless United sign players of the highest calibre who can succeed in The Prem, there's no guarantee that you'll fare any better than Tottenham. & as I've already alluded to, the top class players are always going to attract the attention of clubs who can pay silly money on wages & transfer fees.
United are currently 8 points adrift of 4th place. Not an insurmountable amount of points to claw back. But you've got to hope that Liverpool, Everton, & Spurs, all fall away pretty sharply, whilst Moyes manages to get United into the kind of form, & on a run, that wins titles. If not, & your team don't get into the CL, then you're in the same nightmare scenario that we've been faced with for the past 3 years. & that's trying to attract quality players who can get you back into the aforementioned competition, but you find yourself frustrated because it becomes a catch-22 situation when you realise that such players will want to play for a side already guaranteed of regular CL football.
Even if we do finish outside the top four this season(which is still a long stretch), we'll be far more equipped to handle it, than you lot were at the time. That squad you had was genuinely shit. Ours is just under performing right now.
With the exception of Xabi Alonso, the squad that kicked off our 2010/11 campaign was pretty much the same one that gave your team a run for their money, & finished on 86 points the previous season. They seriously underperformed in 2010, & have being do so ever since due to key players leaving, & a succession of managers not being able to replace them with better, or of similar, quality. & your current squad couldn't hold a candle to that 2009 bunch of players, so don't fool yourself into believing they'll suddenly come good again, because if you're totally honest with yourself you'll know that it was Fergie's managerial genius, along with RVP's goals, that were the main contributory factor in United strolling to the title last season. SAF has gone, Van Persie is yet to get back to the sort of form he produced the previous 2 seasons, & United are struggling in the league. More than a coincidence wouldn't you say ? We were regular participants in the CL up until 3 years ago. Yet despite us being on our 4th different manager, & having spend a copious amount of money, we're probably no nearer than we were 3 years ago. Yet incredibly some of you believe that it'll never happen to your own team simply because Manchester United are too big a club.
Liverpool finishing 2nd was a once off. That Liverpool squad was the 4th at best in the PL. You lot were gone for the medium term the minute the City money came in.
He's young, English and talented - but not what we should be after. He'll be overpriced based on less than six months of good play, and the rest is potential. We should be done with buying potential for this moment.
As Moyes has said, we need real class today (well yesterday really) not another promising young kid. Especially one that will likely cost a fortune.
I'd much rather we went for a more established player from somewhere in Europe - more importantly playing in central midfield. That has to be our priority.
As Moyes has said, we need real class today (well yesterday really) not another promising young kid. Especially one that will likely cost a fortune.
I'd much rather we went for a more established player from somewhere in Europe - more importantly playing in central midfield. That has to be our priority.
Played against 10 men in just under a third of league matches that year. Everything went their way. Hence why it didn't happen before or after, despite the squad largely remaining the same.
We lost 2 players to Real Madrid (Alonso & Arbeloa), & eventually lost Mascherano to Barca. That's over a quarter of the team gone to 2 clubs who are very particular in the type of quality player they buy. Not one of the other top 6 sides - even with 11 men - managed to beat us that season. We had an excellent squad that season, & fully justified ourselves by finishing 2nd with 86 points. Fernando Torres suffered an injury that ruled him out nearly half of our league games the following season. Just goes to show how an injury, or a loss of form to your main goalscorer, can impact on a team.
He's a fecking dullard and brings nothing to this place. A complete waste of bandwidth. He must search the whole forum for any mention of Spurs so he can swoop down with his cuntstick in hand to sprinkle his special brand of fecktardery all over the place.
Just to further prove what an authentic hard man you are, any more expletives you want to throw in?
Still, I guess it makes a change from putting your invented words in other people's mouths in attempts to bolster your usually weak arguments.
I made a valid point - with facts to back it up - about the fanciful chances of United signing any Spurs player as suggested. And I stand by my view that United's pulling power in the transfer market is already considerably reduced compared to Fergie's' era. And if you finish outside the top 4 - which is looking more likely than not - then that pulling power will obviously nose-dive further, which doesn't bode well for any hopes of signing Barkley.
I can't help it if some on here don't like facing up to the truth and react in predictable fashion. But at least some posters are able to engage in reasonable discussion. Unfortunately you have never been amongst them.
You're like a humour vacuum. You suck the life and enjoyment out of every single discussion you enter. Every post you make is just the same ABU diatribe rehashed and spewed out. You're a WUM with no discernible sense of humour. We have opposition fans here who bring something to the table, some of them WUM too but do it with a sense of humour, but you bring absolutely nothing. And to top it all, you're a Spurs fan waving his willy, on a United forum. A Spurs fan, who likes to try and talk down to United as if we're in some kind of competition. The other opposition fans at least have a trophy or two to point to when they big themselves up by slating us. Spurs haven't been relevant for years. You're a no mark and you support a no mark club.
I'm not the only one who thinks it either, I'm maybe just the only one willing to say it.
There you go, not a single expletive.
I'd planned on ending with a "now feck off" but I wanted to show a more mature side to me.
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