Yep. I think there's only room for either him or Herrera, but not both.
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Talked to some Evertonians who thinks he's staying. Apparently Gerrard talked to him and said he'd be better off a one-club man. Let's see what happens.
it bothers me a bit that people think a player in good form will automatically translate their form to their club once they join. And if they dont adapt they're shit. Some players flourish under different systems/coaches/mentalities/styles. Other players seem to flourish in any system. Just the nature of the game.
it bothers me a bit that people think a player in good form will automatically translate their form to their club once they join. And if they dont adapt they're shit. Some players flourish under different systems/coaches/mentalities/styles. Other players seem to flourish in any system. Just the nature of the game.
I cant imagine city and chelsea just letting us sign him so they would possibly be making the same offer with far bigger bundles of cash ready to throw at him, his agent and at a cash strapped everton.
Im sure we would be interested but signing him wont be easy
Barkley has glowing things to say about Moyes and his influence on his career thus far. Me thinks those Everton fans have some other beef with Moyes.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/20/everton-ross-barkley-england
If true that a pretty pathetic attempt to get him not to sign for a rival of Liverpool.
He had a couple of spells in the team under Moyes, including his debut. But yes for large spells Moyes wasnt using him
Really enjoy his game, you can see he's far from the finished product as he still will spray the wrong pass in that final third but the thing I really like about his game is the confidence. I saw how nervous he was in the post match on SKY, yet has looked like a seasoned veteran regardless of who he plays. For a young player, it's a rare quality, IMO. Doesn't come off as the most intelligent lad so I'm inclined to gather he's simply a natural at the game. Which, I believe, makes it difficult to guess what his ceiling could be.
Like Rooney then. He's a very well rounded player though which I like to see, and once he develops and gets more experienced I can easily see him being a world class player. Very two footed as well.
Yeah, i assume you're talking about general intelligence as his football intelligence is superb.
I wouldn't put people like Rooney, Gascoigne, etc as intelligent either but i'd put his ceiling as high as them.
I wouldn't put people like Rooney, Gascoigne, etc as intelligent either but i'd put his ceiling as high as them.
Still needs to improve his decision making, but what a talent.
He'd treble his wages at United. That alone would do it.
Great attributes but this final third thing? He does seem to pick the wrong option alot of the time.. I know he is young and players general improve with age but I tend to believe creative players have a natural knack in the final third and i don't think he'll ever be top class in that department. I see him being more of a Gerrard type of player..
similar to Fergie and his son?
So do I. More of a 'rangey' long striding power type of player than one who works in technical small spaces.
United may miss out on Europe this season, but that would only be for one season...and we are a the biggest club in the world. He will join in a second.
I don't think you have seen a lot of him if you don't think he works well in technical small spaces. There was a moment in the game today where there were two players surrounding him and he turned them with ease and drove forward, plus the fact he is always the key in little tight triangles of passing.
He is one of the most technical English players in years, which might not say much, but it is to high standard.
Shaw didn't join Chelsea when given the chance if i am right.
He was excellent today, has physical attributes to go with great technique.
I didn't say he didn't, unless you've seen something that I didn't type. Just said the best part of his game is clearly bursting forward with his pace and power, taking players out of the game, with space in front of him to stride into. i.e. rangey
Should have used the Fellaini money on this lad. We would have got him with change to spare.
Yeah knowing the likes of Barkley and Herara are out there makes it seem like we needlessly spunked 27m on a player who may not be a regular in our starting XI.
Love how confident this lad is. Always willing to drive forward.
Exactly.
All the talk of wanting to play in the Champions League or whether he'd want to play under Moyes is wholly irrelevant. You offer him a six figure salary, something that is double Everton's highest earner and he's going to move.
Yea, Fellaini is a big, big blot on Moyes' book I think. Our midfield is useless at present and he still doesn't make it intoo our first team. When we strengthen further, I can see Moyes giving him games just for the sake of it, as every game he spends on the bench reflects badly on him.
Looking like the biggest waste of money United have ever made, Andy Carroll levels. At least Veron was obviously a £28m footballer, whether for us or not. He was giften. Fellaini would struggle to justify much more than £10m on this seasons showing, and £20m in general. I hadn't watched him that closely at Everton, and I admit to thinking he was actually a better footballer than he appears to be. That said, he's looked exactly like what I would expect if we played Vidic in central midfield.
That's what Liverpool fans thought about their club when they dropped out of the top 4.
But when decline sets in it can quickly gather momentum: transfer and/or wage budgets can get trimmed, key players want out, confidence is reduced and the winning mentality slips away. And then there's the additional factor that United in particular face:
You are already looking at a large squad overall in the summer (variously due to ageing players and players who aren't good enough). If you then factor in on top a need to replace Rooney or RvP (or both?) because they want to leave, then suddenly you'd be looking at the need to integrate a huge number of new players in one go. This takes time, even assuming that Moyes is the man that you want to be choosing the new players.
To assume that United would instantly bounce back is foolish.
Everyone's a United expert all of a sudden. We are a massive club with massive resources. It will take a long period of mismanagement to feck things up for us the way that Liverpool have.
Just because Liverpool effed up doesn't mean we will. It's just one of the many possible directions that the club can take, and one I don't think we'll take.
not surprised you have again made a short sighted observation. The game has changed from the days of Liverpool dominating the league. We are in the time of huge revenues and demand. United are the biggest club on earth...arguably the biggest sporting francise on earth. There are many big buyers waiting to buy out the Glazers. If things dont work out in a season or two new owners will step in...thats a worst case scenario. But we have too many people still around to help make the right decision. SAF is still very much around and his word still carries a lot of weight. united are huge business...unfortunately...and run as such. what we are seeing is team in transition...not a club that are permanent also rans like the one you support.
I understand that many opposition fans would be licking their lips at the possibile decline of our club. We have a very long way to go before that becomes a reality though.
We have 6 months.
I don't understand the complacency of so many of our fans. This is actually happening right now.
I love how you tried so hard to make a serious analytical post but it's still abundantly obvious that you're laughing yourself silly whilst writing it.
Have you ever said something positive about Manchester United?
One bad season doesn't destroy a club.
If we were to finish outside the top 4, then getting back in is going to be an almighty struggle.
The Van Persies and Ozils don't move to clubs not in the Champions League (and you run the risk of losing the ones you have).
nahhh.... its typical wind ups by other club fans whose team has won feck all for decades.
Spurs fecked themselves by selling Bale....they will never be as great as their north london rivals.
The only teams that have potential...are arsenal..a proper run club and money fueled nothings like City and Chelsea.
Liverpool? Rogers has improved them...but they cannot overcome the 3 clubs I mentioned.
Spurs fecked themselves by selling Bale....they will never be as great as their north london rivals.
The only teams that have potential...are arsenal..a proper run club and money fueled nothings like City and Chelsea.
Liverpool? Rogers has improved them...but they cannot overcome the 3 clubs I mentioned.
we have to worry about the top players...only if we do not invest.
Jan window will reveal a lot and be very interesting.
Having huge revenues has not stopped you dropping 16 points (!) already compared to same/equivalent fixtures last season, more than 1 point per game. Nor does it change the fact that Moyes is very clearly way out of his depth on pretty much all fronts.
You see it as a bonus that Fergie's word still carries a lot of weight, yet it was him that chose Moyes and it's likely to be his stubbornness that will prevent Moyes from being dumped.
If United drop out of the top 4, then allowing Moyes to oversee what would probably have to be a massive squad overhaul next summer - regardless of huge revenues - could easily turn what you dismiss as temporary decline into something more permanent:
Moyes in the transfer market + no CL football to offer + large numbers of ins and outs = a recipe for disaster.
Lots of ins and outs Glaston? Sounds familiar...
I agree with this.
Fergie was easily the best manager in the Prem. OK?
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