Yes. But we are +2 points up on the same/equivalent fixtures compared to last season, so what's your point?
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Yes. But we are +2 points up on the same/equivalent fixtures compared to last season, so what's your point?
What's your point? You suggest that Moyes has a poor transfer record with a team not in the CL when history and facts tell us the opposite.
Why does Martinez transfers look better already?
Lukaku and Barry on loans which I'm certain Moyes would have also gone for and anyone could tell what a great player McCarthy was. No brainers.
Their defence has been brilliant whenever I've seen it. That's all Moyes. He left Martinez in a fantastic position at Everton, all the ground work and basics were done for him. The difference is that some good players became available on loan.
Martinez will be judged over the next few years and I bet he'll take this Everton team down the league. He's a great guy but I don't think he's anything special as a manager.
He bought a lot of forward dross: Yakubu, Johnson, Beattie, Billy, van der Meyde, Barmby, Blomquist.
United are on a different planet to Liverpool (and everyone else in our League) financially, irrespective of Champions League income. We can spend our way out of trouble if necessary in a way that no other club apart from Chelsea/City can. Our wage bill at over £180m is less than 50% of our turnover, which is nearly double the likes of Spurs/Liverpool who we'd be competing with 4th place with.
The only issue is whether Moyes with any budget can get a team competing at the top. Although again this is a short term issue because if he's given £100m and finishes 5th for 3-4 years he'll be sacked and replaced by someone who can get the team competing. This new person could then spend a further £100m and get us back to the top.
There are no medium or long term issues, nor can there really be. Only short term ones.
Pete, I'm not getting into this again in a big way but during the summer I went through every signing he made, the money spent and the players got and he had a remarkably high hit rate. Strikers are the one area that for a club not willing or able to spend big they are just impossible to get that really reliable high quality player. I'm struggling to think of a club in the league outside of the top 4-5 that has actually bought a striker recently that scores on a steady basis. Long maybe at WB or Cisse at Newcastle? Not much else there is there?
Cleverley used to try and do this.
A Spurs fan speaking of the perils of a lack of CL football. Right.
Yakubu was one of the league's leading goalscorers. No way was he dross.
You've already had one terrible transfer window with Moyes at the helm. Are you honestly wanting him to be in charge of a massive re-shaping next summer?
It's well documented that Moyes process for scouting and signing players is significantly laborious and time consuming and that there was unlikely to be significant movement in his first window. He tried to sign players and thanks to a number of factors we didn't get them. I expect much much more in the next window.
Complacency at it's finest.
You're suggesting that 4 years with no CL income and prestige, plus the resultant drop in sponsorship deals that would follow, all coupled with spending £200m, would not even be a medium term issue? Dream on.
Bounce back from what? It's December. We haven't not qualified for Europe yet. Let us die before you piss on our grave at least.
Of course. His record in the transfer market was one of the things I always liked most about Moyes.
You sound like you are explaining what you would like to happen, rather than what is most likely to happen.
Glaston has had us dropping out of the Champions Leage places every summer for the last few years. He's definitely posting with an agenda of it being what he'd like to happen.
The guy despises Manchester United, that is clear to see.
How much did Spurs spend in the summer? You were talking up your clubs chances this year of mounting a title challenge. When did Spurs last have Champions League football, and where do they stand compared to United with regards prestige and income?
This viewpoint you have now of a few seasons out of the Champions League being irreparably damaging for United doesn't really go hand in hand with your bullishness around Spurs chances given a worse set or circumstances. I wonder why that is.
Yakubu had one decent season for Everton and 3 crap ones, he wasn't 'one of the league leading scorers'.
They fed the Yak a bit too much.
Moyes record with strikers is like Sir Alex's record with midfielders.
Moyes got fooled by the Yak's birth certificate.
He scored 138 goals in 346 games in England. By no means prolific, but it's not a terrible record either.
I tell you what I love about Glaston...he goes on about how if your not in the CL you can't attract top players, having just spent the whole summer creaming himself silly over the players Spurs have signed, even though they're, you know, not in the CL.
Which means one of two things....either he's spouting his usual bullshit, or actually the players Spurs signed weren't the top players that he had declared they were....or both
Yakubu has probably scored an average of 1 every two for every team he's played for.
I tell you what I love about Glaston...he goes on about how if your not in the CL you can't attract top players, having just spent the whole summer creaming himself silly over the players Spurs have signed, even though they're, you know, not in the CL.
Which means one of two things....either he's spouting his usual bullshit, or actually the players Spurs signed weren't the top players that he had declared they were....or both
he has comprehension problems...and like all Spurs fans who have forever been in Arsenal's shadows is bitter. So bringing up facts will not convince him.
He played 82 league games for Everton and scored 25 goals, or less than 1 in 3.
Yep he had the ground work and built on it. If Moyes had did the same thing in the summer we wouldn't be where we are know. Or was Everton in a better state than United?
Well it's pretty clear it's both. It's not even up for debate, is it?I tell you what I love about Glaston...he goes on about how if your not in the CL you can't attract top players, having just spent the whole summer creaming himself silly over the players Spurs have signed, even though they're, you know, not in the CL.
Which means one of two things....either he's spouting his usual bullshit, or actually the players Spurs signed weren't the top players that he had declared they were....or both
I'm responding to a scenario that finneh put forward, in case you didn't notice.
Hardly funny when he played for about 7 clubs and was probably 1 in 2 for the rest of them.
Try reading the thread. My post concerned the questionable suggestion that IF United don't finish in the top 4 then you'll automatically bounce right back the next season.
How about you respond to the point just made that your belief that not being in the Champions Leage rules out being able to sign quality players, whilst creaming yourself all summer about the quality players Spurs were signing whilst they had no Champions League football?
Its standard Glaston, ignore any post that calls him out, and respond to the ones that suit his agenda.
Yet every summer you have Spurs getting into the Champions League, with all their signings being of the highest quality, despite not having Champions League football as a lure. Spurs can seemingly "bounce back" every year, yet United can't and won't?
You post so much shite that I'm convinved you can't remember half of it and completely confuse yourself.
Is it complacency to suggest that as long as Sheikh Mansour pumps hundreds of millions into City they'll be successful?
Four years with no CL income would still leave us with higher revenue than any other British club, with the ability to outspend any none sugar daddy club. Champions League' revenue accounts for less than 10% of our income and if you think sponsorship deals just fall away because of a lack of success, the fact that Liverpool still have the joint highest shirt deal in the League after 23 years of not winning a title should put to bed that myth.
The financial climate has changed since the 80's, meaning that clubs like Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and United are far too strong financially to fail. Worst case scenario we could just emulate Chelsea/City, sack Moyes and throw £60-70m a season at 2-3 different managers until we got it right.
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