He has always been a bit clumsy in his play due to the type of player he is, and it will come through maturity and experience. He is still a great dribbler, but he's added the strength to his game to be able to drive past people aswell as your classic quick feet. To be fair it's the easier parts of the game which he has been clumsy with which is amusing, but it hasn't faltered him, as he is constantly improving.
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I agree to an extent. I think Mancs like Welbeck may be seen as an exception, however, the likes of Powell and Januzaj, when you consider it, are just players who were bought in themselves and likely took some other youngsters place in the process. I don't really agree with the whole 'not blocking x's way into the team' theory. We improve when we can, showing a particular loyalty to a player, who himself joined us for whatever fee at whatever age to replace a different player is sentimental.
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I know this doesn't apply to your post directly per se, just a generasl point.
Same here - proper home gorown lads are worth going out on a limb for, but if we signed somebody like Barkley he'd be just as close to our hearts as Powell in no time.
Yep, Powell himself cost us £4m and moved ahead of Petrucci. If we sign Barkley and he goes ahead of him, tough shit - technically speaking, it means he was not of the level to hold a place down at United.
Powell and Januzaj aren't quite the same. We've had Januzaj from the same age that we had Giggs. So I think there'd be a similar sort of loyalty towards him as towards a local home-grown player. Perhaps not quite the same as someone like Welbeck, who we've had since he was 8, but more than Powell, who was 18 and had played first team football before we nabbed him.
Powells not even had a chance yet. Januzaj will be better than Barkley and they're the two that'd be in direct competition if he's going to stay in AM.
We'll show loyalty to both Powell and Januzaj because we think, in time, they'll be first team regulars. Why jeopardise that?
Agree Powell deserves his chance. Probably needs a loan move before than happens anyway.
I do however think the Barkley is by far the better prospect. His development of the last 12 months has been so impressive. its no slight on Powell either I just think this lad is the real deal.
I do however think the Barkley is by far the better prospect. His development of the last 12 months has been so impressive. its no slight on Powell either I just think this lad is the real deal.
I have no issue with that at all, I just mean if you have the opportunity to get a player you think may become a level above, then surely you would - given that was the same ideology awe would have adopted when bringing in said players themselves.
Unless we feel a player will be better than the others, I don't see the logic behind this idea of leaving a path into the first- team clear for a young player to walk into when they are old enough.
This is my point. So if you were in charge, with these same views, and you had the means to bring in Barkley - would you not do so because you already have Powell and that 'wouldn't be fair to him'?. This is despite knowing (or believing) that he isn't on the same level to Barkley.
At this point he is definitely going to be regarded as a better prospect than Powell, but that can very quickly change. Hopefully Powell can get some game time soon and kick on.
If you meant that Barkley is a bigger talent than Januzaj then I can't agree, though.
If you were in charge then you'd know more about Powell. Enough to call him a future 'guaranteed first team player'.
I've seen Barkley a few times and he's flattered to decieve, including a horror show against us last season. I'd definitely want more time to assess him.
I'm not saying Powell will not become a first-team player, or that Barkley is better. I also don't agree that because fergie made such a statement all bets are now off on Powell becoming a top class player.
My only point is that if the manager thinks Barkley is better, I do not see why Powell has earned any special loyalty so as to not improve the team for.
I'm not saying all bets are off, byt if you're a manager that thinks Powell will be a top player, why would you jeopardise that? This started with people calling for us to sign Barkley, presumably off one game. I intended to point out that we will always give priority to our own youngsters that we feel will soon be good enough.
Regarding Barkley being clumsy, I think his growth spurt probably has a lot to do with that. He's grown a heck of a lot over the last year and a half - he's probably not as coordinated as a result. Danny Welbeck went through a similar phase too.
He's clearly a talented player and his physical attributes are good for a player in the premier league too. All too often I wonder if he really knows what he's doing with that talent though. For the under 21s he looked quite aimless this summer often making wrong choices.
Hell of a goal this weekend
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I think that is just because of inexperience and wanting to be too 'cute'. I think there are similarities between him and Kovacic at Inter in this way that both clearly have the potential but their decision making at this stage isn't quite good enough as they're the types of player to try the hard things more than others.
Fergie also called Dong the next Batistuta. What's your point?
Jury's still out on Powell. It doesn't mean it should stop us signing other promising players.
Kovacic is already a phenomenon imho
Yeah, i don't doubt Kovacic is better at this stage but i can see the similarities in what they try to do.
Barkley, if he has any sense, will stay at Everton for a least a season or two. He needs regular first team football and it looks like the way Martinez will set up suits him as he has license to roam.
I can't see him leaving Everton for at least 2 more years. He's gonna get tons of playing time this season.
Buy him and loan him and Powell for a season or two, Fellaini and Baines coming the other way
Personally I'd rather have Will Hughes who looks like a long term Carrick replacement, but if we were in for this lad I wouldn't mind either!
Hughes
Wilshire
Berkley
Powell
Probably the most talented set of young cm/am england have produced at the same time
Perhaps youth coaching is improving
Wilshire
Berkley
Powell
Probably the most talented set of young cm/am england have produced at the same time
Perhaps youth coaching is improving
I think it's far too premature to mention the likes of Hughes, Powell and Barkley in that way. They've still a very long way to go yet and shouldn't be in the Wilshere bracket just yet.
Powell and Hughes haven't even started a PL game yet so yes, I agree.
Damn I just deleted my comment thinking I got mixed up and that you were talking about Barkley.
yeah how do you think he seems a Carrick replacement? With his style of dribbling he seemed to be more in the mould of a Zaha/Januzaj type player IMO, someone that likes to take his man on rather than someone of the Carrick type. From the YouTube videos I've seen, I could be wrong of course as I haven't actually seen him play a match.
Barkley is definitely more of an attacking midfielder than a true central midfielder. Reminds me of Gerrard in some ways, although less hollywood balls, more dribbles. However Will Hughes is a classic CM, capable of long and short passing, good positioning and control of the game. Always been impressed whenever I see him play, especially in the England age group teams.
Absolutely. What I do like is that both Barkley and Hughes seem not only to have the technical skills but also the size and power.
It'd be nice for us to develop the "Schweinsteiger" type rather than the typical spanish midget midfielders - provising they have the passing range and skills. Never hurts to have a bit of strength in midfield, as Bayern showed in the CL last year.
Hopefully for England things are looking up in the future. Of course they've a long way to go.
Fair enough, like I say I've only seen YouTube videos and of course they're not going to show him sitting in position, all I had the pleasure of seeing was his dribbling and attacking play. Didn't seem anything like a Carrick type player, but that's YouTube for you.
Apparently spelling isn't improving though - try Wilshere and Barkley
Anyway, agree about your first 3 - but Powell is some way off those 3.
And the other three are all miles behind Wilshere.
It's an odd list really because they're all different ages and have played most of their football at very different levels. Different position and type of player, but I reckon if Lingard played for Crewe Alexandra in League 1 he'd look as impressive as Powell did.
Fair point but in my defence it is my third languageApparently spelling isn't improving though - try Wilshere and Barkley
Anyway, agree about your first 3 - but Powell is some way off those 3.
Powell is not there yet but who knows what will happen - most people expected joe cole to have a better career than lampard when they were young
Still seems to be a lot more technically sound english young players though and perhaps the youth coaching is starting to mirror that of the spanish and dutch etc
Been really good again tonight. He always wants to move forward, he has some of those Scholes-esque pingers in his locker too.
Silence or we'll buy him!
Thought this lad looked the real deal when he made his debut a couple of seasons back. He's going to go for some big dosh in the summer I reckon.
More like 'Silence or we'll make an inadequate bid for him'
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