Ross Barkley

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Ekeke said:
A lot worse would have been said about Fellaini shortly after he moved to Everton.
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I don't see what your point is.

Carl said:
His talent is as obvious as it gets. You're quite simply wrong if you don't think he'll be good enough for a top side.
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He is talented, but not talented enough for a club like United/Chelsea/City. I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he'll be much better than Taraabt - a player who I really like, but am not crazy enough to suggest is good enough for a top team.
 
First time I've seen a full 90 minutes of him, there's raw talent to be developed there for sure, very much an English type forward.
 
Considering City started Rodwell(different style of CM i know, but he can play a physical role in the middle) today...I'd say he'd have a decent role to play right now at 2 of the big clubs. The Manchester ones, the London ones maybe not so much. Though I'm sure both would love to have him for when Lampard/Rosicky leave/retire.....Spurs probably would need him the least, plenty of depth in CM and at the top of the 3 right now.

Notice I say decent. By that, I mean similar to the amount of time Anderson gets(when fully fit). Whereas he'll play a very big role for Everton all season.
 
Everton is the best place for him and will be for the next couple of years. I can understand why Mourinho is interested though, if he can stay injury free, he's going to be a special player. He has that time on the ball cliche all the top players have, his spacial awareness is brilliant. Yes, he makes wrong decisions, and he holds onto the ball too long at times, but that's only going to improve with experience.
 
Andrew~ said:
I don't see what your point is.



He is talented, but not talented enough for a club like United/Chelsea/City. I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he'll be much better than Taraabt - a player who I really like, but am not crazy enough to suggest is good enough for a top team.
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That he's a lot better than Fellaini was a couple of years ago, even though he's still a teen. And Fellaini went on to become the most expensive midfielder we've ever bought. So its clearly nonsense to write him off for top clubs at this point
 
Ekeke said:
That he's a lot better than Fellaini was a couple of years ago, even though he's still a teen. And Fellaini went on to become the most expensive midfielder we've ever bought. So its clearly nonsense to write him off for top clubs at this point
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If you read closely, you'll see I said at this point in time, it doesn't look like he has the talent to reach top clubs, but who knows. He doesn't stand out nearly as much as some people are saying, but he is talented. If he works hard and does some dramatic improving, he could get there, but it just seems unlikely.
 
Which under 20 players in and around midfield do you think will be likely to cut it then? Out of curiosity....

To be playing regularly at that age in centre of a top 8 team is a pretty big deal. The only other player in the league I can think of is Ward-Prowse and I'm certain he's been moved to the wing for now. He, also, should be end up with a higher team, though the ceiling is not as high with him imo.
 
In all honesty, I can't think of any young Premier League players (English ones) who could make it to the top teams, that aren't already playing for them. Maybe Ravel Morrison, but we all know what happened with him.

I've been hugely impressed with Barkley; we don't allow enough players of his ilk a platform in England so I'm really happy to see him getting the kind of chance he's getting at Everton. I just don't see why this needs to translate into saying he's a 'top talent'. He's good, but not that good.
 
Promising player. Could probably make it at a top five club, although he would probably be better off developing and getting more playing time at Everton for another year or two.
 
I haven't seen that much of him, 5 games maybe. But from what I have seen, he will be a top player. A real top player.
 
Andrew~ said:
If you read closely, you'll see I said at this point in time, it doesn't look like he has the talent to reach top clubs, but who knows. He doesn't stand out nearly as much as some people are saying, but he is talented. If he works hard and does some dramatic improving, he could get there, but it just seems unlikely.
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You're talking absolutely nonsense. He stands out by a mile and is clearly talented enough to play at any club in the country.
 
I think he looks like a class talent and in my view, anyone who is judging him as being either good enough for a top four team or not is wrong. The lad is undoubtedly talented and has the potential to be very good - why not just let him develop and see where it takes him?

I hope he stays at Everton and establishes himself as a first team regular this season, before pushing on to really enforce himself on games in the next year or two. Very exciting, young talent for sure.
 
Stack said:
being 3rd choice for utd is 100 times better than being 1st choice for Everton
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For a young player, playing every week is 100 times better than playing once every 2 weeks.. Also, that post is rather disrespectful to Everton
 
Stack said:
being 3rd choice for utd is 100 times better than being 1st choice for Everton
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Not at this stage of his career. And he wouldn't be third choice he'd be fourth maybe fifth.
 
He does have talent but it's only potential atm. We can only have so much raw potential in a squad, too much and they don't get enough first team exposure. We already have more than enough who are currently at a similar level or slightly better in Zaha and Januzaj and I wouldn't want anybody else coming in restricting their game time. Given he's at Everton, should be easy enough to keep an eye on his development over the next couple of years and make a move if he starts to fulfill that potential he has
 
Let's do a deal in January and loan him back to Everton for the rest of the season. He has this vibe and potential that Rooney had at the same age
 
SATA said:
Let's do a deal in January and loan him back to Everton for the rest of the season. He has this vibe and potential that Rooney had at the same age
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Yes, buy in Jan and loan him out till he's ready
 
Ixion said:
Neville, Gibson, Howard, and Saha didn't agree.
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Totally different thing with those players moving in opposite direction, mostly at later stage of career (except Gibson) and none of them were tipped to be as promising. They were moving after giving all they can to United and the club and players mutually agreeing it was time to move on.
For Barkley, it is opposite where he will be moving upwards to prove at a level above where he currently is(if he moves).
 
Frans said:
same was being said of rodwell some time ago. lets wait and see how it kicks off
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In fairness, Rodwell would probably have been a brilliant player by now if he wasn't so injury-prone.

Barkley's clearly got loads of potential but his decision making leaves a lot to be desired at this stage. I can see why Moyes was apprehensive about using him last season when he was rawer still.
 
Ekeke said:
You're talking absolutely nonsense. He stands out by a mile and is clearly talented enough to play at any club in the country.
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Indeed. I don't understand how anyone that's actually watched him can say he doesn't stand out. Everton had hardly any of the ball yesterday but he still managed to stand out.
 
Frans said:
same was being said of rodwell some time ago. lets wait and see how it kicks off
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Aye. Obviously unforseen circumstances like chronic injury issues can curtail anyone's career.
 
I guess about half the fans on here just can't spot a rough diamond breaking onto the scene. At 19 years of age Ross Barkley looks like he is going to be frightening in 2 seasons from now. It was the same with Bale...A few seasons ago you could see that he was the making of something special but about half the fans on here were saying he was an over rated speed merchant and that he would be lucky to end up in a top 4 side.
Barkley is exactly the player we need in central midfield and if Everton are willing to sell next summer then Moyes will be bidding for him without doubt. I don't think Barkley will ever be as good a playmaker as a Modric or a Fabregas but he will still dominate opposition midfields for years and will bring goals and cause other teams nightmares. I am not sure where Nick Powell will fit into all of this as he looks great too but they are very different players. Barkley definitely looks like the new Steven Gerrard and the thought of him in midfield with Fellaini in a season or two appeals very much.
 
Rodwell has still managed to get a move to one of the biggest clubs whilst being injury prone, plus is actually getting games when fit.
 
Ringo 07 said:
I guess about half the fans on here just can't spot a rough diamond breaking onto the scene. At 19 years of age Ross Barkley looks like he is going to be frightening in 2 seasons from now. It was the same with Bale...A few seasons ago you could see that he was the making of something special but about half the fans on here were saying he was an over rated speed merchant and that he would be lucky to end up in a top 4 side.
Barkley is exactly the player we need in central midfield and if Everton are willing to sell next summer then Moyes will be bidding for him without doubt. I don't think Barkley will ever be as good a playmaker as a Modric or a Fabregas but he will still dominate opposition midfields for years and will bring goals and cause other teams nightmares. I am not sure where Nick Powell will fit into all of this as he looks great too but they are very different players. Barkley definitely looks like the new Steven Gerrard and the thought of him in midfield with Fellaini in a season or two appeals very much.
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With a lot of players it takes a trained eye to spot talent. That's not the case with Barkley (hence why even I can spot it!!). It's as obvious as it gets. I've not been this excited about a young midfielder since Martinez.
 
Andrew~ said:
You lot really need to calm down. He looks like a decent talent with a long way to improve, but showing a lot of good qualities at this point. Does he have the quality to play for top clubs? Who knows but, evidence so far points to probably not.
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Stick to watching NFL mate.
 
Ringo 07 said:
I guess about half the fans on here just can't spot a rough diamond breaking onto the scene. At 19 years of age Ross Barkley looks like he is going to be frightening in 2 seasons from now. It was the same with Bale...A few seasons ago you could see that he was the making of something special but about half the fans on here were saying he was an over rated speed merchant and that he would be lucky to end up in a top 4 side.
Barkley is exactly the player we need in central midfield and if Everton are willing to sell next summer then Moyes will be bidding for him without doubt. I don't think Barkley will ever be as good a playmaker as a Modric or a Fabregas but he will still dominate opposition midfields for years and will bring goals and cause other teams nightmares. I am not sure where Nick Powell will fit into all of this as he looks great too but they are very different players. Barkley definitely looks like the new Steven Gerrard and the thought of him in midfield with Fellaini in a season or two appeals very much.
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He needs to work on getting himself into games when he's not getting the ball much like in the first half, but I agree.. tbh I think he's got far more to him as a player than Nick Powell and has the talent to potentially be the english surprise package of WC 2014. We don't possess a similar player like him in the hole in the national side and he is very similar to a young Wayne Rooney.
 
Yeh it's easy to make the Everton comparison. His build, confidence, the way he powers past opponents and then the fact he's a product of the Everton academy.

I think with Rooney though it was always clear he'd be a striker whereas I see Barkley gradually moving back into midfield and bursting forward from there.
 
Carl said:
Yeh it's easy to make the Everton comparison. His build, confidence, the way he powers past opponents and then the fact he's a product of the Everton academy.

I think with Rooney though it was always clear he'd be a striker whereas I see Barkley gradually moving back into midfield and bursting forward from there.
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I hope however that Barkley has a build which allows him to stay this athletic, dynamic for longer and also has better self-discipline in terms of keeping himself fit. God what I'd pay to watch the young Wayne again, really was such an exciting player.
 
I think Barkley has the look of a future top player. Ticks all the boxes.

Would've loved us to sign him as well.
 
SilentWitness said:
Rodwell has still managed to get a move to one of the biggest clubs whilst being injury prone, plus is actually getting games when fit.
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I was never really impressed by Rodwell even before his injuries. Always seemed to be a bit overhyped.

Barkley is on another level. The guy will be a star if nurtured right and stays fit.
 
Stack said:
being 3rd choice for utd is 100 times better than being 1st choice for Everton
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No it isn't. And being bought and then sent out on loan millions of times isn't helpful either.

I hope he stays a few more years at Everton. What's the rush exactly?
 
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