Ross Barkley | Stays at Everton

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Barkley is a moron, but...

There's the raw attributes in there to be an absolute beast of a #8; he needs someone to drill that into his head. He thinks he's a #10-wing hybrid, but I find him incredibly mediocre there. He lacks the subtlety in the final third to succeed there, plus closes off his own space to drive into.



This performance was a few years back now, and against dubious opposition, but if he could be cultivated into this kind of deeper midfielder, he still could become a very good player.
 
AP88 said:
Barkley is a moron, but...

There's the raw attributes in there to be an absolute beast of a #8; he needs someone to drill that into his head. He thinks he's a #10-wing hybrid, but I find him incredibly mediocre there. He lacks the subtlety in the final third to succeed there, plus closes off his own space to drive into.



This performance was a few years back now, and against dubious opposition, but if he could be cultivated into this kind of deeper midfielder, he still could become a very good player.
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He just lacks a bit of knowledge on how he should use his abilities. Both his positional sense and work rate is far below standard for a Premier League player. He did not develop at all under Martinez, but his decision making on the ball improved last year under Koeman.

If a manager can improve him as a defender he will become a very good player. Never world class, but more than a very useful player for any PL-side.
 
He was brilliant when he first appeared as a raw kid. I think he's now a confused footballer meaning he does not have a defined role. Probably a case of being not good at taking instructions, or over coached and managed badly.
 
If this was 4 years ago I'd say buy him all day long as he potentially was the best English midfielder around but much like Wilshere, Henderson, Rodwell and countless others he's not progressed anywhere near how he could and maybe should have done.

When I saw him first ever play I really thought he'd be England's midfield general and a dynamo much like Robson and Gerrard were and like a younger Keane but whether its mismanagement or down to him himself it's just not happened for Barkley and in reality if he's not setting the world alight at Everton why is he good enough for United ?

We need genuine world class quality in the team like Bale, Sanchez, Neymar, Dybala or Griezmann or someone potentially world class like Dembele, Mbappe or Lemar rather than more players who are ok and pack the squad out which is exactly what Barkley would be as I don't see him as better than Mhkitarayan, Mata or Martial and if I'm honest has he ever done more than Lingard ?

For the money Everton want and the wages Barkley supposedly wants it SHOULD be a non starter as 1. We have enough 10's 2. We need wingers and a defensive midfielder 3. Don't need more filler for the squad and 4. He's not Everton's best player or doing amazing things there like Lukaku was so isn't good enough for us for what we want to achieve.
 
He did well on the right at the end of last season but I think we need a pacier player there. Barkley is too similar to Mkhi and Mata, albeit with better crossing.
 
Should just go to West Ham, over-rated player at over-rated club where his career can quietly die.
 
Would be the best signing of the summer. Carrick-like dimensions to his potential.
 
sincher said:
He did well on the right at the end of last season but I think we need a pacier player there. Barkley is too similar to Mkhi and Mata, albeit with better crossing.
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he's taller and stronger than both of them and that physical aspect is something maybe Jose likes. I personally don't see this one coming off, and I hope it doesn't for both us and the player. Barkley's main strength is his unpredictability, he tries things that don't always come off ,but when they do they are impressive. Jose would, I feel would try to coach that out of him. He'd try to make him a better tactically aware player and nothing wrong in that, but you'd lose that maverick element that made him stand out in the first place. I think Barkley would shine at a team where he is the go guy, where the team is set up around him. Everton is really his level but unfortunately there seems to be some discord between player and club.I am led to believe he only has 1 yr left on his contract, if that is the case, he might be available to a West Ham or such at a decent price. I don't see any benefit of him being a squad player at Utd or Spurs.
 
If we could get him at a cut price he could prove to be a very good signing. I would prefer Barkley playing on the right or in midfield than Lingard, that is for sure. We would upgrade our squad and the homegrown quote.
 
I'd love him at United, but, we also absolutely need a top, top signing this window.

But yeah, I'd love him here. I like the lad and think in a better team, with more players for the opposition to deal with he would really shine.

Imagine defenders dealing with Pogba, Rom, Rashford/Martial, Mkhi and Barkley at the same time...
 
Can't imagine we would ever be in for Barkley. Much rather give Pereira a chance.
 
I'm confident Mourinho could turn him into a better version of Fat Frank. But we'd have to call him Rotund Ross.
 
I genuinely think he's just a bit thick. Very much an instinct player and not a great reader of the game. He's incredibly two footed though, so if he can get the basics right, he'd be a hell of a player. He just seems to struggle with that though. Maybe he's just trying to impress too much. I've maintained he's the type of player that has to move to actually improve, the coaching at Everton isn't helping him develop and it might just not be his style. Anyway, it would be nice if he could develop more so england have better options!
 
tob said:
Can't imagine we would ever be in for Barkley. Much rather give Pereira a chance.
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If we can get him on the cheap it's a no brainer, he still has bags of potential and he would be a decent squad option- He might even turn out to be more than that!

Even if it went tits up, you would still get your money back too.

Edit- to say that he is already better than fellaini and lingard, who both played significant amounts last season.
 
I like watching average English players more than watching average foreign ones. But I like world class players better than both.
 
He is capable of the spectacular but, he does nothing consistently well. He has become one of the most overrated Footballers.
 
If we didn't end up signing a DM and kept Herrera back there, do you think he could do well more as a B2B on the right of a three? I've not really watched enough of him to gauge that, or what his tracking back/defensive work rate is like. If he could play well there, he could potentially and arguably be slightly more versatile and useful than our existing #10s.

If one of Mata or Mkhitarayan were to go (more likely the former), I could see him as a more physical replacement (albiet with less finesse) in the 'current cutting in from the right' role.
 
R77 said:
If we didn't end up signing a DM and kept Herrera back there, do you think he could do well more as a B2B on the right of a three? I've not really watched enough of him to gauge that, or what his tracking back/defensive work rate is like. If he could play well there, he could potentially and arguably be slightly more versatile and useful than our existing #10s.

If one of Mata or Mkhitarayan were to go (more likely the former), I could see him as a more physical replacement (albiet with less finesse) in the 'current cutting in from the right' role.
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Like this ?

--------------DDG---------------
Valencia--Bailly--Lindelof---Shaw
------------Herrera-------------
-------Barkley---Pogba---------
Mkhitaryan--Lukaku--Perisic---
 
apotheosis said:
Rotund just sounds a bit too posh to be catchy. How about Round Ross, or Roly-poly Ross? I might be leaning more towards either Butterball Barkley, or Bulky Barkley myself. :)
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Butterball Barkley is quality, sorted.
 
If we signed him he's a comfortable downgrade on every position we have. Pointless signing given his apparent salary demands.
 
The red panther said:
Like this ?

--------------DDG---------------
Valencia--Bailly--Lindelof---Shaw
------------Herrera-------------
-------Barkley---Pogba---------
Mkhitaryan--Lukaku--Perisic---
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Yup. Just a question, I wasn't advocating it :D
 
AP88 said:
Barkley is a moron, but...

There's the raw attributes in there to be an absolute beast of a #8; he needs someone to drill that into his head. He thinks he's a #10-wing hybrid, but I find him incredibly mediocre there. He lacks the subtlety in the final third to succeed there, plus closes off his own space to drive into.



This performance was a few years back now, and against dubious opposition, but if he could be cultivated into this kind of deeper midfielder, he still could become a very good player.
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people said the same thing about rooney. Barkleys defensive stats are absolutely dire. He's not a number 8 and never will be imo.
 
peridigm said:
I recall when he had his breakout season everyone wanted him here.
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Not me. But I am biased by that constant vacuous look on his face and I can do with taking a break from another great English hope.
I don't know him so he maybe more intelligent than I think and he is above average ability but, Please God No.
 
markhrad said:
Not me. But I am biased by that constant vacuous look on his face and I can do with taking a break from another great English hope.
I don't know him so he maybe more intelligent than I think and he is above average ability but, Please God No.
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Some of the greatest English talents wouldn't have been much kop on University Challenge -Gazza, Hoddle, even Scholes. But there's intelligence in ball control and spatial awareness and Barkley's got it. I want to see Utd teams doing the unexpected and finding the angles and retaining possession in an easy in the eye way again and with a Barkley and Pogba in the mix it could happen.
 
Raved about him when first broke through but for the last couple of years he just hasn't improved at all. Needs a fresh start but it shouldn't be us as I doubt very highly he is ready for such a move. He really needs further coaching in how to play the game. The ability is certainly there but its doing it consistently and effectively thats the problem.
 
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