Ross Barkley | Stays at Everton

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Scholsey2004 said:
So perisic is 45mil and dier is 60mil but barkley is 30? so barkley is only half as marketable as dier? not. Going. To. Happen.
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Dier signed a new contract last year. Perisic has a few year left on his. Both their clubs don't need to sell. Everton need to sell.

It's not even comparable.
 
Bojan11 said:
Dier signed a new contract last year. Perisic has a few year left on his. Both their clubs don't need to sell. Everton need to sell.

It's not even comparable.
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Do they need to sell? I was under the impression their owner was proper loaded.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Do they need to sell? I was under the impression their owner was proper loaded.
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I think he meant he was surplus to requirements and they want rid of him. Unlike perisic and dier who are both seen as pivitol for thier respective clubs
 
A few seasons ago i'd of bit your hand off... But he has lost his way, was the most exciting young talent too. A real SAF signing had he of been here in 2014 and he could of been a footballing God under him too.
 
ChaddyP said:
I think he meant he was surplus to requirements and they want rid of him. Unlike perisic and dier who are both seen as pivitol for thier respective clubs
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Ah i see thanks.

I still quite lile Barkley as a player to be honest. I struggle to see him getting much game time here though, but he could provide crucial depth.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
Ah i see thanks.

I still quite lile Barkley as a player to be honest. I struggle to see him getting much game time here though, but he could provide crucial depth.
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wouldnt mind him as a squad player here. I think Jose could get him back on track.
 
balaks said:
Yes when his contract wasn't due to run out.
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Fantasy. Theres guys on here that swore blind lukaku wouldnt go for more than 40 mil because his contract was running down. That only works if the player isnt sought after. More than half the league would take ross barkley of he was on offer so his contract length is irrelevant, hes marketable.
 
Bojan11 said:
Dier signed a new contract last year. Perisic has a few year left on his. Both their clubs don't need to sell. Everton need to sell.

It's not even comparable.
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If fellaini cost 28mil a few years back then theres not a cat in hells chance barkley goes for 30m now. Tbe only way spurs get him for that much is if nobody else goes in for him which is just plain unrealistic.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
If fellaini cost 28mil a few years back then theres not a cat in hells chance barkley goes for 30m now. Tbe only way spurs get him for that much is if nobody else goes in for him which is just plain unrealistic.
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Not true. Barkley has to want to go to one of the other clubs, if any, that bid for him. Which other club might be after him that is more attractive than Spurs and will offer higher wages - I don't see any on the horizon.

Assuming that Spurs are indeed interested, Levy will just wait ... and as the window draws to a close, and if Barkley has not signed a new contract and wants to come to Spurs, then Everton will cave in, because £30m (or less) is still a hell of a lot better than nothing at all in a year's time.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Not true. Barkley has to want to go to one of the other clubs, if any, that bid for him. Which other club might be after him that is more attractive than Spurs and will offer higher wages - I don't see any on the horizon.

Assuming that Spurs are indeed interested, Levy will just wait ... and as the window draws to a close, and if Barkley has not signed a new contract and wants to come to Spurs, then Everton will cave in, because £30m (or less) is still a hell of a lot better than nothing at all in a year's time.
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Your basic premise is that spurs will be the only big side who will be interested though and i disagree with that assertion. At least one of the other big sides will be in for him.
 
Everton's Januzaj. Bags of talent, not the greatest execution of attitude. Besides him being English and helping with quotas, I really don't see why we would want him.

Don't get me wrong, he still might come good, but I don't think he's worth the effort AND Everton love to overcharge.
 
If Barkley can't cement his first team place at Everton, and with the amount of playing time he has had, develop his game to hit a consistent level of quality, then I cannot see him at any club above Eveton in the pecking order, the lad has flair and sparks but realistically I would rather give a slot of one of our youth players instead, not that we have a slot open in his position
 
So many here under rated Barkley why over rated Dier. Just don't know why.

However, Barkley is all round CM, he can attack, he can defense, he is full of energy, and with a fighting spirit too.

What he lacks is maturity and perhaps a football brain. He still think he will be next Rooney or Gerard, the next England best thing.

He won't be, but he will good enough, if he could realize his potential. He is better than Dier, which i think is just limited player with higher discipline ethic.

I won't mind buy Barkley, he is just 23 years old. He still can change.
 
Scholsey2004 said:
Fantasy. Theres guys on here that swore blind lukaku wouldnt go for more than 40 mil because his contract was running down. That only works if the player isnt sought after. More than half the league would take ross barkley of he was on offer so his contract length is irrelevant, hes marketable.
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Ok so now having your contract running out has no bearing on the price?
 
Aza Boy said:
So many here under rated Barkley why over rated Dier. Just don't know why.

However, Barkley is all round CM, he can attack, he can defense, he is full of energy, and with a fighting spirit too.

What he lacks is maturity and perhaps a football brain. He still think he will be next Rooney or Gerard, the next England best thing.

He won't be, but he will good enough, if he could realize his potential. He is better than Dier, which i think is just limited player with higher discipline ethic.

I won't mind buy Barkley, he is just 23 years old. He still can change.
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Very weird comparison.

They are completely different players.

Dier spent most of last season in back 3/4 for a start.
 
I honestly don't think Koeman would bat an eye lid if he went. He's far too inconsistent and gives the ball away far too much, often running into blind alleys. He's mentally weak. If he doesn't get the game off to a good start he never recovers and stays in his shell.

If I remember correctly he got sent back from two loan spells earlier in his career for these reasons and no international manager has ever really warmed to him.
 
Utd heap said:
Very weird comparison.

They are completely different players.

Dier spent most of last season in back 3/4 for a start.
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Dont know what games you had seen.

Wanyama protected the back four. Dier played as CM, the discipline one. Just stayed centrally, to give Ericsen more a free role to feed up either to Song or Alli.

In the game, he did not stand in line with Wanyama as double DM but a little forward, as CM.

Same with Barkley. The difference is Barkley has the ability to charge forward to his good skill on the ball. Passing, crossing, or long shoot. Dier does not have it. Even Wanyama haa more threat in his box.

You can argue me what you want but Barkley is better. If he is going cheaper, i will buy him. He can play side to side with Herrera.

Rather have Ndidi and Gueye, if we are looking for DM.
 
Aza Boy said:
Dont know what games you had seen.

Wanyama protected the back four. Dier played as CM, the discipline one. Just stayed centrally, to give Ericsen more a free role to feed up either to Song or Alli.

In the game, he did not stand in line with Wanyama as double DM but a little forward, as CM.
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Weird. Spurs spent a great deal of the season playing with a back three. I watched them live playing in that back three, and WhoScored has Dier down as playing a full 29 games there last season.
 
Aza Boy said:
Dont know what games you had seen.

Wanyama protected the back four. Dier played as CM, the discipline one. Just stayed centrally, to give Ericsen more a free role to feed up either to Song or Alli.

In the game, he did not stand in line with Wanyama as double DM but a little forward, as CM.
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Weird. Spurs spent a great deal of the season playing with a back three. I watched them live playing in that back three, and WhoScored has Dier down as playing a full 29 games there last season.
 
Aza Boy said:
Dont know what games you had seen.

Wanyama protected the back four. Dier played as CM, the discipline one. Just stayed centrally, to give Ericsen more a free role to feed up either to Song or Alli.

In the game, he did not stand in line with Wanyama as double DM but a little forward, as CM.

Same with Barkley. The difference is Barkley has the ability to charge forward to his good skill on the ball. Passing, crossing, or long shoot. Dier does not have it. Even Wanyama haa more threat in his box.

You can argue me what you want but Barkley is better. If he is going cheaper, i will buy him. He can play side to side with Herrera.

Rather have Ndidi and Gueye, if we are looking for DM.
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Barkley is an attacking midfielder playing typically behind the striker, not central midfield. Dier plays either dm or the right side of three centrebacks, which is probably quite useful tactically, especially for someone like mourinho since it allows a formation change without a substitution. Tbeyre not interchangeable at all. If we sign barkley its to replace rooney.
 
Brwned said:
Weird. Spurs spent a great deal of the season playing with a back three. I watched them live playing in that back three, and WhoScored has Dier down as playing a full 29 games there last season.
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I also watched them, Sir.

Spurs mostly play with the back four. Please check for details at Soccerway.com. I will give you just the summary.

Several occasions they played with the back 3, with Dier as CB (most of time he is the back up if one of Verthongen/Alderweid was absent), with Wanyama-Dembele as duo DM, while releasing 2 wings back to help the attack, with Ericcsen as the starting point of the attack.

Normal formation chart always puts Wanyama and Dier in a straight line (as duo DM), while in reality Dier will stand in the middle, to assist Erricson, while Wanyama protecting the back four.

For EPL only :

Spurs with Back 4 : 4-2-3-1

vs Hull (a), vs Leicester (a), vs United H), vs Westham (a), vs Arsenal (h), Watford (h), Bournemouth (h), Swansea (a), Burnley (a), Liverpool (a), Boro (a), Sunderland (a), Burnley (h), MU (a) - he did not play, Swansea (h), Chelsea (a), Westham (h), Arsenal (a), Leicester (h), WBA (a) - did not play, City (h) - did not play, Boro (a) - did not play, Sunderland (h), Stoke (a), Liverpool (h), Palace (h), Everton (a)

Back 3 : 3-4-2-1

Palace (a), Burnley (a), Souton (h), Everton (h), Stoke (h), City (a), WBA (h), Chelsea (h), Watforf (a), Souton (a), Hull (a), Arsenal (a)


cheers,
 
GlastonSpur said:
If Spurs bid officially bid for him - and that's an IF - then it means Pochettino wants him. And if he wants him then I'd have confidence in his ability to improve Barkley significantly: coaching is one of his strongest attributes.
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Koeman is no mug either.
I actually think hes improved him a lot. I dont think theres much more to Barkley than what hes showing now.
 
While I can see Barkley moving, its hard to see where.

Spurs are the most talked about, but no real interest thus far. He is similar to Alli/Erikson and would only provide depth. Can see Barkley to Spurs working out like Glyfi before he went back to the Swans.

I don't think he'll come to utd, what I could possibly see is Barkley to Newcastle. He'd go down well there, they love a flair player who can turn a game now and then
 
Aza Boy said:
I also watched them, Sir.

Spurs mostly play with the back four. Please check for details at Soccerway.com. I will give you just the summary.

Several occasions they played with the back 3, with Dier as CB (most of time he is the back up if one of Verthongen/Alderweid was absent), with Wanyama-Dembele as duo DM, while releasing 2 wings back to help the attack, with Ericcsen as the starting point of the attack.

Normal formation chart always puts Wanyama and Dier in a straight line (as duo DM), while in reality Dier will stand in the middle, to assist Erricson, while Wanyama protecting the back four.

For EPL only :

Spurs with Back 4 : 4-2-3-1

vs Hull (a), vs Leicester (a), vs United H), vs Westham (a), vs Arsenal (h), Watford (h), Bournemouth (h), Swansea (a), Burnley (a), Liverpool (a), Boro (a), Sunderland (a), Burnley (h), MU (a) - he did not play, Swansea (h), Chelsea (a), Westham (h), Arsenal (a), Leicester (h), WBA (a) - did not play, City (h) - did not play, Boro (a) - did not play, Sunderland (h), Stoke (a), Liverpool (h), Palace (h), Everton (a)

Back 3 : 3-4-2-1

Palace (a), Burnley (a), Souton (h), Everton (h), Stoke (h), City (a), WBA (h), Chelsea (h), Watforf (a), Souton (a), Hull (a), Arsenal (a)


cheers,
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Even when Spurs are nominally 4 at the back, in possession it's usually a back 3.
 
I'd be so disappointed if we surprised everyone and went for him.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Not true. Barkley has to want to go to one of the other clubs, if any, that bid for him. Which other club might be after him that is more attractive than Spurs and will offer higher wages - I don't see any on the horizon.

Assuming that Spurs are indeed interested, Levy will just wait ... and as the window draws to a close, and if Barkley has not signed a new contract and wants to come to Spurs, then Everton will cave in, because £30m (or less) is still a hell of a lot better than nothing at all in a year's time.
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I tend to agree with this post .
With only 12 months left on his contract all interested party's will wait till the window comes to a close .
No one will want to pay mega bucks for someone that as so little time left on his contract but the moment someone shows there hand then that's when it will go off .
Personally for 30 million I may be tempted to take a punt on him as the the re sale value if it doesn't work out would be around the same but we would struggle to fit him in our starting 11 and he would have to settle for a squad role .
The 30 million (as quoted) would be probably better invested in other areas if I'm being honest
 
I wouldn't mind him as a squad player - I'd imagine he'd get in the way of Pereira though.

We do need more goals though
 
Supposedly Evertons 2nd best performer last season according to the majority on Grand Old Team.
 
He's still pretty good, the expectations and overhype were just way over the top. Its not beyond him to win a place from Miki or Mata etc.
 
The longer he stays at Everton, I fear for his ambitions. He's also in a perfect age for a move to achieve higher level but there's a scenario where he'll stagnate even more and become Jack Rodwell.
 
Spurs stories picking up pace now. Who exactly would he get a game ahead of there? I think this could turn into another Sissoko type signing for them (if it happens, of course).
 
Robbie Boy said:
Spurs stories picking up pace now. Who exactly would he get a game ahead of there? I think this could turn into another Sissoko type signing for them (if it happens, of course).
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Maybe Son? But Son scores quite a few.

Kane
Eriksen - Alli - Barkley
Dembele - Wanyama
Rose - Vertonghen - Alderweireld - Trippier
Lloris​
 
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