Rooney has terrible dribbling, Nani has great dribbling and Young and Valencia can't dribble past a player for their life.
Rooney vs. Van Gaal
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Rooney has terrible dribbling, Nani has great dribbling and Young and Valencia can't dribble past a player for their life.
Rooney has shown in the last year that he no longer wants to compromise anymore.
For an attacking player the number of times he can beat a player is terrible and the stat's back it up. Successful dribbles per game
1) Hazard:3.9
2) Suarez 2.8
3) Sterling 2.8
30) Rooney- 1.4
He even said he'd rarely play as the out and out striker because he didnt feel he had the same sharpness to beat a player he used to.
Wtf is a successful dribble?
Bullshit stat.
Bullshit stat.
Act a consummate professional? I'd understand if he badmouthed the club at every opportunity, but he has never said a bad word against anybody. If he wanted a change because he didn't feel appreciated what is he to do? Leave on a free or try and atleast get the club some money for him? One of the only United players who himself has not kicked up a fuss and yet he still gets branded a twat.
If I had been at a club for 10 years and someone who'd been here for two was given the captaincy, I'd be pretty miffed especially considering RVP's behaviour at times last season regarding the training methods and what not.
If I had been at a club for 10 years and someone who'd been here for two was given the captaincy, I'd be pretty miffed especially considering RVP's behaviour at times last season regarding the training methods and what not.
Exactly
Of course that stat is going to be dominated by wingers and inside forwards. Stupid stat. And in any case it doesn't tell you anything about his ability off the dribble since it isn't dribble success %, it's just the number per game. Using just dribbles per game Andros Townsend is probably a better dribbler than Messi.Van Persie - 0.7
Mata - 0.9
Kagawa - 0.9
Welbeck - 0.8
http://www.whoscored.com/
Your point?
The three players you mentioned are wingers, or have been playing wing, therefore, of course you'd expect them to have a higher dribbling success.
My main concern is the media. If Rooney is not a certain starter the media will try to undermine LVG. After all how can England's best player not even start for his club team?
If Rooney is not going to be a central player under LVG he has to be shipped out, despite his high wages, otherwise it will be constant criticism from the media everytime we slip up.
If Rooney is not going to be a central player under LVG he has to be shipped out, despite his high wages, otherwise it will be constant criticism from the media everytime we slip up.
I just don't get why people seem to think Rooney won't be playing under LVG. He is our most productive player.
It's the same thing that happened when Moyes was made manager.
Caftards got overexcited and started speculating about what the new manager was bound to do. In almost every instance, what they really speculated was what they themselves wanted to see happen... even if that bore no relation to what either Moyes/van Gaal would actually do.
They'll be fine. Rooney only starts to have problems when he wants a new contract and he won't be needing one of those any time soon. Wasn't one of his supposed problems in Fergie's last seasons was that he was being made to play a lot deeper and as a CM? He played that position quite often under Moyes when he decided to sub on every striker we had in the squad. Didn't seem to complain then.
I named 3 players but could have named 29, Rooney ranks 30th in the league for dribbling which is why I put the number 30 beside his name.
I never claimed RVP/Kagawa/Mata could dribble, infact if you read my posts in the Fabregas thread as to why I wouldn't want us to sign him it's because we have too many players in our attack who want to drop deep/play between the lines and don't offer any penetration.
As for how it affects Rooney well RVP is a better out and out striker than he is, even though some will disagree LVG has worked with him and made him captain of the national team so he's never being dropped. Mata is also a better 10 than Rooney is which is why most people predict a clash of heads between him and LVG since there isn't an obvious place in the team for him.
I said starter or central player. If RVP is the better No9 and Mata the better No10 where do you see Rooney starting?
If being the operative word, mate. Rooney is just as productive as a no.10 than Mata, and is also better off the ball. I know who I'd pick. Unfortunately, I'm not LVG, so we'll have to see.
I honestly couldn't care about the other 29. You said, "for an attacking player the number of times he can beat a player is terrible and the stat's back it up", when he's clearly got a better dribbling success than most of our attacking players, this is why I'm confused as to why you would just mention Rooney.
Well obviously our opinions on Rooney differ and probably would never be resolved. Waiting to see the outcome is the only option available to us but where is the fun in that? Speculation and debate is why I am on this forum.
Besides I never pass up a possible future opportunity to use my favourite phrase " I told you so ".
Well what else is to be debated if you just said our opinions would never be resolved?
As for the favourite phrase, you might want to bookmark this page then.
With respect to Rooney ardent fans of the club are clearly divided. You have clearly intelligent posters having diametrically opposed views.
Neither camp appears to be budging but there many other topics open for debate.
With respect to my "phrase" I guess that too will have to be placed in the "we'll have to see" department.
One big difference between LVG and SAF and Rooney is that Rooney was Fergie's player (and an important one) for about 7 years before he started getting 'rotated' like any other player, and I can imagine a personal element to their falling out - perhaps Rooney was hurt that the manager had chosen van Persie after all those of service, or advertised his transfer request in May last year, or whatever. But Van Gaal is the new man, so Rooney has done nothing for him yet.
He also has no option of running down his contract - there's too long left and it's in his best interests to get the most out of his late 20s/early 30s. These factors make it much more likely that Rooney will respond well to the challenge than he did in 2012.
He also has no option of running down his contract - there's too long left and it's in his best interests to get the most out of his late 20s/early 30s. These factors make it much more likely that Rooney will respond well to the challenge than he did in 2012.
Rooney: "As if Shinji and Juan thought they'd play ahead of me in the no.10 role"
I think the world cup will play an important role in the Rooney-LVG dynamic. If Rooney plays well the media will hound LVG if he marginalizes him.
If Rooney fails, yet again, then LVG has more leeway with respect to the media and fans.
If Rooney fails, yet again, then LVG has more leeway with respect to the media and fans.
Consummate professional: focused on his game for an entire season; no strops or sulks; no weight issues; no media games via agent etc.
I was going to add show the consistency in play (read form) that warrants his status and wage, but perhaps that's a little harsh as it may be out of his control.
On another note, people keep rushing in here like knights in armour to 'defend' Rooney when he's not actually being attacked. The potential for friction is patently obvious if things don't go well. And why is Rooney being 'singled out'? Because he's our star player (or one of for) and a player we should be more concerned about than most - nobody would give a hoot if Ashley Young or Fellaini were equally as upset, and rightly so.
Its more a media speculation, and our guys over here have swallowed the bait.
All the papers were saying that Rooney told the club he didn't like the idea of van Gaal coming in when it was reported first.
Yea that was the trigger as to why people think Rooney and LvG won't get along. Also the fact that Rooney didn't exactly get along with the last strict and authoritarian manager we had.
That said, Rooney's willingness to play out of position and his work rate may well endear him to LvG.
Why should he sulk? He was given, under Moyes, everything he wanted. He became the 'main man' and even promised the captaincy. Everything revolved around him. He was able to be the No9 in RVP's absence and had the freedom to roam around at will.
Under LVG, however, things will, apparently, be different, thus the concern of potential friction.
There is no correlation between Rooney signing a new contract and his performance levels dropping.
Probably. But one can be forgiven to think that he was playing for the new contract. It's how it did come across.
Which would be great, but our attacking players have been awful this year.
Not sure you meant to quote me.
Since signing the new contract Rooney scored eight times in eight Premier League games. We won every game where he scored.
Rooney: "As if Shinji and Juan thought they'd play ahead of me in the no.10 role"
Yours and similar posts have been bookmarked by me.
Van Gaal has gone on record to absolutely destroy Rooney's footballing qualities on Dutch tv 6 years ago.
And that was when he was actually good. Let us see if his opinion has changed.
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I don't know how to post the youtube video on here with my phone, but search for ''voor het meezingen de kerk uit - voetbal international''
2:03 - 2:19 they talk about how Valentijn Driessen of De Telegraaf who said van Gaal had to analyse England on the tv channel SBS 6 once and he absolutely massacred (literal translation) Rooney. The rest is them joking about how the English will react when they find said footage and how the hosts of the show will be looking for it now (since they dislike van Gaal).
I do remember seeing it on tv years ago when Rooney was still unanimously seen as a thunderous player, even on redcafe.... and no it is not the instance when he said Lampard and Gerrard are better than Rooney, he was far more scathing in that particular interview.
Obviously his opinion might have changed over the years, but just saying you shouldn't be so cocksure yet.
2:03 - 2:19 they talk about how Valentijn Driessen of De Telegraaf who said van Gaal had to analyse England on the tv channel SBS 6 once and he absolutely massacred (literal translation) Rooney. The rest is them joking about how the English will react when they find said footage and how the hosts of the show will be looking for it now (since they dislike van Gaal).
I do remember seeing it on tv years ago when Rooney was still unanimously seen as a thunderous player, even on redcafe.... and no it is not the instance when he said Lampard and Gerrard are better than Rooney, he was far more scathing in that particular interview.
Obviously his opinion might have changed over the years, but just saying you shouldn't be so cocksure yet.
Maybe Rooney had a game worthy of massacre.
The following dribble stats are not just for you, but a general info for ppl who are interested. I am not Rooney's biggest fan, but his dribbling stats compared to some other strikers are not bad, really. Wingers and attacking mids (depending on the type) usually have better stats.
Here are some for those who are interested:
Successful dribbles per game (PL and CL games count - if the player has played in the CL last season):
Rooney: 1.6
Torres: 1.4
David Villa: 0.3
Diego Costa: 1.8
Negredo: 0.3
David Silva: 1.1 (thought his would be higher)
Suarez: 2.8
Aguero: 1.9
Iniesta: 2.7
Messi: 4.4
Ronaldo: 2.3
RvP: 0.8
Tevez: 1.6
Dzeko: 0.4
Lewandowski: 2.7
Benzema: 0.5
Hazard: 4
Thiago: 3.5
Kagawa: 0.8
Oscar: 0.8
Mata: 0.8
Marco Reus: 2.5
Pedro: 0.7
Sanches: 1.0
Neymar: 3.3
Bale: 2.1
What did he say?
He'll play where's he told to play.
Rooney's always done that, hasn't he? LW, CAM, CM, RW. Poor old Rooney has played everywhere except for the position he actually wants to play in. Season after season, sacrificing himself for other players.
Similar things are happening with Welbeck, and it's not a surprise that there's rumours he wants to leave because he's not playing in his natural position. What's the difference?