Rooney vs. Van Gaal

Will Van Gaal's arrival:

  • Force Rooney to grow up and act as a connsumate professional?

    Votes: 118 38.6%

  • Hasten an exit from the club?

    Votes: 56 18.3%

  • Lead to an upset player who sits on his contract and becomes a disruptive force?

    Votes: 14 4.6%

  • Be an absolute managerial masterstroke that helps Rooney to realise his full potential?

    Votes: 118 38.6%
  • Total voters
    306
  • Poll closed .
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Rooney's always done that, hasn't he? LW, CAM, CM, RW. Poor old Rooney has played everywhere except for the position he actually wants to play in. Season after season, sacrificing himself for other players.

Similar things are happening with Welbeck, and it's not a surprise that there's rumours he wants to leave because he's not playing in his natural position. What's the difference?
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Don't think Rooney will make any fuss about playing on the left in three up-front (if Van Gaal decides to play 4-3-3).

Even last season he used to drop to midfield when needed and stayed there for prolonged time during some matches, yet from what I've read I thought he would cry like a baby if he wasn't played as striker only.

As for Welbeck you're right, he plays mostly on the wings, yet aspires to be striker, no wonder he's unsettled and want's to play his favorite position.

What if we decided to play Van Persie on the left, sure he would be perfectly fine with it?
 
If LVG really did go on Dutch TV and slate Rooney years ago it won't be long before the english press are all over it and I'm surprised they aren't already.
 
Kevin saw it, must be real.

I do remember seeing it on tv years ago when Rooney was still unanimously seen as a thunderous player, even on redcafe.... and no it is not the instance when he said Lampard and Gerrard are better than Rooney, he was far more scathing in that particular interview.

If anything, it appears it was just a one game when he played for England. Chances are, he did have a terrible game, and LVG just pointed that. Scathingly, it seems. Though, that could be just LVG being LVG.

After all, why would LVG go against the grain when Rooney was unanimously seen as a thunderous player.
 
I_live_cement said:
Where's the option for 'business as usual'?

You people are retards.
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The Neviller said:
Why do so many United fans want Rooney "brought down a peg or two"?

You just know some fans, some posting in this thread, have the knives out and are just hoping and praying Rooney and Van Gaal don't hit it off. It's fecking weird.
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What these people said.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I cannt find it anywhere. Almost certain rubbish
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Nah it is real. And I am almost certain Rooney will get dicked around playing second fiddle to RvP under Louis... if he shuts up and puts up, performs on the left wing/behind RvP/right back then he can be of use to the big man. Otherwise he will be gone by next year.

Rubbing one out in anticipation.
 
Kevin said:
Nah it is real. And I am almost certain Rooney will get dicked around playing second fiddle to RvP under Louis... if he shuts up and puts up, performs on the left wing/behind RvP/right back then he can be of use to the big man. Otherwise he will be gone by next year.

Rubbing one out in anticipation.
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Rooney's been doing that for the majority of his career. No one likes playing out of position, but more often than not, Rooney will give it his all.

You're going on like we're doing Rooney a favour. We're lucky to have Rooney. He could have easily been playing for Chelsea last season in his favoured position, but decided to stay.
 
Already a sixth page on this before they've even had a single training session together. Surely Mata vs Van Gaal should create more debate as he is another who may not fit if a 4-3-3 is deployed and we've already seen that he will seek a move if he's not in the first team.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Why exactly are people so sure that Rooney won't get along with LVG?

This has been the theme from day 1 and I'm not sure why.
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For me, it's because Rooney is the ultimate example of a man child. And Van Gaal appears to be the ultimate example of a stern parent.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Rooney's always done that, hasn't he? LW, CAM, CM, RW. Poor old Rooney has played everywhere except for the position he actually wants to play in. Season after season, sacrificing himself for other players.
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because he's not good enough in the position he actually wants to play in.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Rooney's been doing that for the majority of his career. No one likes playing out of position, but more often than not, Rooney will give it his all.

You're going on like we're doing Rooney a favour. We're lucky to have Rooney. He could have easily been playing for Chelsea last season in his favoured position, but decided to stay.
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I'm sure he had three hundred thousand reasons to do so . Why not look at it this way, we are paying him a ''top three in the world'' wage, where else could he get that ?
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
You're going on like we're doing Rooney a favour. We're lucky to have Rooney. He could have easily been playing for Chelsea last season in his favoured position, but decided to stay.
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Mourinho would have played him up top on his own, with Oscar behind him. that isn't his favourite position.
 
septic said:
because he's not good enough in the position he actually wants to play in.
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Based on what? The one season in 09/10 when we consistently played him up top and scored 34 goals there? Since then, he hasn't had a consistent season up top, so how you can say he's not good enough baffles me.

septic said:
Mourinho would have played him up top on his own, with Oscar behind him. that isn't his favourite position.
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It actually is.

itso 7 said:
I'm sure he had three hundred thousand reasons to do so . Why not look at it this way, we are paying him a ''top three in the world'' wage, where else could he get that ?
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You're clearly missing the point. If we made Van Persie the highest player in the team, yet we played him out of position, do you think he would be happy?

I can imagine Cavani's getting a bucket load of money at PSG, yet it's been said that he's unhappy because they're playing him on the wing.
 
A) Rooney has indeed spent much of his career being shifted into different positions.
B) That doesn't mean he'll be happy to let it continue under LVG. In fact we have good reason to believe he'll be unhappy in that scenario as both he and SAF have mentioned it as a problem in the past.
C) As for us being lucky that he decided to turn down Chelsea to stay with us, wasn't that because we refused to sell him? We then offered him an insane amount of money that he almost certainly wouldn't get at any other club on the planet. Personally I think Rooney is the lucky one in that scenario, for the money we're giving him he's probably quite replaceable in football terms.
 
Kevin said:
Read the article again. That quote is from Ferguson. Calma calma...
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Aye, you're right actually. Still think we should just wait and see how it develops though, rather than basing things on what he allegedly said in an interview 6 years ago.
 
Kevin said:
Read the article again. That quote is from Ferguson. Calma calma...
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Are the quotes where van gaal spoke badly about rooney in this thread somewhere or is there only the video that is in dutch? I would just like to see what he said about rooney.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Based on what? The one season in 09/10 when we consistently played him up top and scored 34 goals there? Since then, he hasn't had a consistent season up top, so how you can say he's not good enough baffles me.



It actually is.



You're clearly missing the point. If we made Van Persie the highest player in the team, yet we played him out of position, do you think he would be happy?

I can imagine Cavani's getting a bucket load of money at PSG, yet it's been said that he's unhappy because they're playing him on the wing.
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I'm challenging your asertion that we are lucky he decided to stay, he is the lucky one because we are paying him loads of money possibly double his equals and as a result he will play where the manager tells him or do one . We all know that he can be great when he puts his mind to it, especially around contract renewal time, but there is things in his game that should cut out e.g his tendency to look like a Sunday league player at times .
 
I really don't know how Van Gaal will affect Rooney. I must admit though, I wanted Rooney to get sold last summer and I wouldn't mind him getting sold this summer. I just feel he has too few really good games these days and too many poor ones. Also, I think he will start to decline soon and I think the window for us to get a decent price is quite short now.
 
Raul Madrid said:
Are the quotes where van gaal spoke badly about rooney in this thread somewhere or is there only the video that is in dutch? I would just like to see what he said about rooney.
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Read my posts a page or two earlier for the clip of the football show where they referred to Driessen, journalist from the biggest paper in Holland De Telegraaf who have been quite up to date about this saga, stating that van Gaal destroyed Rooney on SBS 6 when analyzing the English national team.

Now this footage is not on youtube (it also happened during a time when youtube was not as big as it is now and twitter might have not even existed yet or was not as full of journalists and ITKs wannabes with stalker-like updates) and some people doubt my comment that I remember seeing this as well but if you trawl through my posts from a month back you will come across me already mentioning that I saw van Gaal bashing Rooney on Dutch tv years ago... a month or so BEFORE this telegraaf journalist even said this.
 
You surely remember something then..."destroyed", like how? For what? Generally, or after some game?

Of you just remember yelling in Dutch?
 
Mrs Smoker said:
You surely remember something then..."destroyed", like how? For what? Generally, or after some game?

Of you just remember yelling in Dutch?
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I remember him pointing moments of that particular football game out where he said he made ridiculous choices and smashed his football intellect.
 
Kevin said:
Read my posts a page or two earlier for the clip of the football show where they referred to Driessen, journalist from the biggest paper in Holland De Telegraaf who have been quite up to date about this saga, stating that van Gaal destroyed Rooney on SBS 6 when analyzing the English national team.

Now this footage is not on youtube (it also happened during a time when youtube was not as big as it is now and twitter might have not even existed yet or was not as full of journalists and ITKs wannabes with stalker-like updates) and some people doubt my comment that I remember seeing this as well but if you trawl through my posts from a month back you will come across me already mentioning that I saw van Gaal bashing Rooney on Dutch tv years ago... a month or so BEFORE this telegraaf journalist even said this.
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I remember you saying that. However I can't comment on why he did so, was it for his general play or for his play for England, or for a single game of him for England. Rooney has been dogshite for England on tournaments since 2004 but has been very good/great or us on most of the years here (with the exception of first half of 2010-2011 when he was terrible, and 2012-2013 when he was okay).
 
itso 7 said:
I'm challenging your asertion that we are lucky he decided to stay, he is the lucky one because we are paying him loads of money possibly double his equals and as a result he will play where the manager tells him or do one . We all know that he can be great when he puts his mind to it, especially around contract renewal time, but there is things in his game that should cut out e.g his tendency to look like a Sunday league player at times .
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What a load of rubbish! Of course we're lucky he stayed when he could have gone to another club and played in his natural position.

As for his money, he's obviously being paid that because that's what they club value him at. If they didn't think he was worth it, they would not have rewarded him with a new contract.
 
Lu Tze said:
That is his favoured position. He wants to play #9.
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he continually drops deep and gets involved when playing as a striker. doesn't sound much like a #9.

if he wants to play #9 then he can battle it out/rotate with RVP. i would be happy with that. but neither he nor RVP will be, i'd imagine. plus, RVP, when fit, is the better #9.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
That's what I thought really.

He watched a particular game, and Rooney had a stinker.

Not necessarily a recurring theme.
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My lasting impressiom from what he said is he did not rate him as a player full stop.. he really was venomous. Typical van Gaal style rant. We shall see.
 
It's funny how some people tend to think Rooney is not a proper professional, yet this season proved once again that he is in fact one of few real professionals here, while either players sulked and were "injured" or whatever, he really stepped up and tried to take responsibility. Also it's good to remember that this year and in the previous season, when we won our 20-th title, it was Rooney who sacrificed his position and role on the field and played a lot of matches really deep to mitigate our constant problem with a CM. Sure he is somewhat suited for that, but how many top players would do that? would work for the team, in the unfamiliar role, because a team needs it? Not many i suspect.

As for Van Gall, it would be interesting and i, like others, think that it would be a first big step for him, to deal with a Rooney situation.
 
Revan said:
I remember you saying that
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Thanks. So a month later this journalist has mentioned this as well... the Rooney bashing from van Gaal has happened. Fact.

And he did not seem to rate rooney was the lasting impression I had. I was a fan of him back in those days so I remember getting annoyed at his remarks...
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
What a load of rubbish! Of course we're lucky he stayed when he could have gone to another club and played in his natural position.

As for his money, he's obviously being paid that because that's what they club value him at. If they didn't think he was worth it, they would not have rewarded him with a new contract.
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In the same way they thought Young was worth £120k/wk or Fellaini was worth £27m, there are a lot of factors that contribute to one's eventual wage but for me the only time Rooney has justified the wage he has earned was 09-10 and during our run to the 2011 CL final . On the pitch these days he rarely lives up to that bracket and I suspect it's going to get worse as we approach the end of his contract . Offering him that contract for that length was a mistake we are going to regret because looking at the player he was in 2010 and the one he is right now I dread to think what he will be when he turns thirty .
 
itso 7 said:
In the same way they thought Young was worth £120k/wk or Fellaini was worth £27m, there are a lot of factors that contribute to one's eventual wage but for me the only time Rooney has justified the wage he has earned was 09-10 and during our run to the 2011 CL final . On the pitch these days he rarely lives up to that bracket and I suspect it's going to get worse as we approach the end of his contract . Offering him that contract for that length was a mistake we are going to regret because looking at the player he was in 2010 and the one he is right now I dread to think what he will be when he turns thirty .
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He still carried this team for large parts of the season and he has done that many many times.....
 
Lane said:
It's funny how some people tend to think Rooney is not a proper professional, yet this season proved once again that he is in fact one of few real professionals here, while either players sulked and were "injured" or whatever, he really stepped up and tried to take responsibility. Also it's good to remember that this year and in the previous season, when we won our 20-th title, it was Rooney who sacrificed his position and role on the field and played a lot of matches really deep to mitigate our constant problem with a CM. Sure he is somewhat suited for that, but how many top players would do that? would work for the team, in the unfamiliar role, because a team needs it? Not many i suspect.

As for Van Gall, it would be interesting and i, like others, think that it would be a first big step for him, to deal with a Rooney situation.
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To be fair that is true , although he had his annual crap spell he was one if the few players to come out of this season with credit, he has for the first time since we signed him gone a whole season without pissing me off ;)
 
itso 7 said:
In the same way they thought Young was worth £120k/wk or Fellaini was worth £27m, there are a lot of factors that contribute to one's eventual wage but for me the only time Rooney has justified the wage he has earned was 09-10 and during our run to the 2011 CL final . On the pitch these days he rarely lives up to that bracket and I suspect it's going to get worse as we approach the end of his contract . Offering him that contract for that length was a mistake we are going to regret because looking at the player he was in 2010 and the one he is right now I dread to think what he will be when he turns thirty .
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Yes, in the same way we thought Young was worth 120k/wk and Fellaini worth 27M, otherwise we wouldn't have given it to them. It's not rocket science. We pay and offer wages to players we think are worthy. That's not to say we're always going to get it right, but in this case, Rooney is arguably our best player and deserves to be our top earner.
 
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