I think he'll just get on with playing and listen to the manager.
Rooney vs. Van Gaal
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This can be so misleading if you don't read what Scholesy actually said.
Scholes talked about how Rooney works too hard for the team (which is what I've been trying to say), and has maybe worn himself out. He goes onto say he needs to reserve his energy better and focus on scoring.
I don't agree with the partnerships, though. Our best partnerships, apart from Yorke and Cole, have come with Rooney partnered with someone, in my opinion. Tevez/Rooney, Hernandez/Rooney, Welbeck/Rooney, etc.
I also feel that, come next season, if Wayne plays behind Van Persie, if we add more energy to our midfield, he won't have to make them 70 yard runs, covering for our immobile centre midfielders.
Scholes also said the following:
"There's a chance he's worn out. Wayne's peak may have been a lot younger than what we'd expect of footballers traditionally," Scholes wrote in his Paddy Power blog.
"Age 28 or 29 has been the normal 'peak'. With Wayne, it could have been when he scored 27 league goals in 2011-2012, when he was 26.
"Wayne might be a player who'd retire come 31 or 32, given the amount of football he's played. Ryan Giggs has been on the go for ages, but he adjusted his position. Can Wayne do the same? I don't think Wayne will be able to play centre forward until he's 34 or 35.
Read more at http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/309637.html#2RvJYhxphHDEwAOU.99
I don't think there is going to be anything much about Rooney this summer other than how he will perform with LvG in charge. It will all blown out of proportion. Rooney, as much as he has sulked in the past, will just get on with it. LvG is a well respected manager and it shows ambition by United that we are still one of the biggest forces in world football. Ambition was, reportedly, one of the issues raised by Rooney back when he had his first sulk a few years back and he wanted to leave as he felt United weren't showing enough ambition.
All for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post. He works too hard, however, if Wayne reserves his energy better, I don't see why Scholesy would think he can't go on to 34/35.
I think under van Gaal we won't see much of the old Rooney running all over the pitch trying to be everywhere. He will get a clearly defined job on the field under van Gaal and if he doesn't stick to what he has been told to do I feel he will end up on the bench faster than he might think possible. I hope he has the wisdom/brains to see that there is room for his ego with van Gaal's ego already plotting out the sun and does what he is told for a change.
I'd imagine it's a phrase you very rarely get to use.
It certainly took you long enough to come up with that witty jibe.
I was sat at my computer the whole time thinking of it.
It must be great to have so much free time.
Ok you can fire one more barb at me then lets move on.
I do not agree. I think you underestimate Rooney's ego.
From a young age Rooney has had a feeling of entitlement. The media built him up as the next great thing. His Christ-like pose after the beauty he scored against City tells you he really buys into the "Saviour" persona, despite performing horribly at yet another WC.
There is no way someone of his mind-set will be able to cope with not being the main man.
His great work-rate is just a by product of him always wanting to be involved.
No way will he settle with being second fiddle to anyone.
Easy street over for him, buckle up or feck off, see how he reacts, got his contract out of moyes, circumstances, the greatest manager of all time was going to turf him and rightly so imo, the time was right. He is not going to like this new regime, but the scag doesn't want to move, if he wants a place in the team, we'll see who wears the trousers.
Or yes.
A woman of few words.
Well his initial reaction to the possibility of an LVG appointment shows his concern about losing his 'main man' role to RVP.
Well it was enough.
Your post was conjecture heavy, and we can see a complete opposite scenario of what you propose.
What was his initial reaction btw? First I saw from him was a tweet welcoming LVG and looking forward to working with him.
Your post was conjecture heavy, and we can see a complete opposite scenario of what you propose.
What was his initial reaction btw? First I saw from him was a tweet welcoming LVG and looking forward to working with him.
We are not privy to all what is said and done in private. Most of our knowledge comes from unofficial sources. Some are legit some are not but when more than one source states that Rooney is not happy with LVG's apparent appointment I think it earns some credibility.
Look at his behavior on field. It shows a man accustomed to having his own way. He berates officials when calls go against him. He berates team-mates for not giving him the ball when he thinks they should have.
good grief
Yeah, people are more likely to believe rumours than actual quotes. Guess they are more exciting.
We have reached an impasse. I guess time will tell
I think it kind of all depends on what kind of world cup Rooney has. If he has a good one, he'll be buzzing, LVG will see how he is when he really puts his mind to it, and he'll be really up for the new campaign. Have a shite one and I just think, because of Rooney's personality, we'll be seeing his exit either at Christmas or at the end of next season. Just a hunch mind...
This I can agree with.
Oh lord.Is this a joke?
You've come up with remarkable bullshit with regards to Rooney since you've been promoted but this tops the lot.
It doesn't really matter why scholes thinks Rooney might of peaked.
If it's the case that he is right then Rooneys performances may not improve at a time when most players are playing to the peak of their game.
I understand why DM gave Rooney a contract extension but I don't think he was worth it.
SAF had decided to let Rooney go and it wouldn't surprise me if it was mainly for what scholes has said. Perhaps Rooney is a bad learner (new instructions/position). Perhaps he was fighting against SAF trying to make him into a scholes type player.
Ability wise I would have Rvp ahead of Rooney in a heartbeat and I would love to see what mata can do linking up with Rvp next season. So the only real place Rooney fits in is midfield as I don't see us playing a narrow diamond forward line with all three.
If it's the case that he is right then Rooneys performances may not improve at a time when most players are playing to the peak of their game.
I understand why DM gave Rooney a contract extension but I don't think he was worth it.
SAF had decided to let Rooney go and it wouldn't surprise me if it was mainly for what scholes has said. Perhaps Rooney is a bad learner (new instructions/position). Perhaps he was fighting against SAF trying to make him into a scholes type player.
Ability wise I would have Rvp ahead of Rooney in a heartbeat and I would love to see what mata can do linking up with Rvp next season. So the only real place Rooney fits in is midfield as I don't see us playing a narrow diamond forward line with all three.
Has Rooney peaked?
I have been a united fan for over 45 years. Since the mid-late 80s I have seen nearly every televised Utd game. During that time no-one has infuriated me as much as Rooney. In fact I do not recall ever disliking a player before.Is this a joke?
You've come up with remarkable bullshit with regards to Rooney since you've been promoted but this tops the lot.
As a result, when it comes to him I have become hypervigilant. I basically see his every move, his facial expressions etc.
I find it extremely distasteful of him to berate teammates so openly on the pitch.
You can disagree with me that is your right but maybe in the future just watch him a little more carefully then maybe you can see where I am coming from.
Yet more 'disgusting' press coverage of Wayne's World!:
I had the misfortune to read the Daily Star today, and one of their stories is that Wayne is in danger of being killed by Brazilian spiders and ants. According to a 'close friend,' Coleen has put together a pamphlet to help Wayne recognise these DEADLY FOREIGN CREATURES(!). Naturally the article is full of legitimate quotes from Wayne, Coleen, the spiders etc etc, and comes complete with pcitures designed to help readers differentiate between a spider and an ant. Good grief.
I had the misfortune to read the Daily Star today, and one of their stories is that Wayne is in danger of being killed by Brazilian spiders and ants. According to a 'close friend,' Coleen has put together a pamphlet to help Wayne recognise these DEADLY FOREIGN CREATURES(!). Naturally the article is full of legitimate quotes from Wayne, Coleen, the spiders etc etc, and comes complete with pcitures designed to help readers differentiate between a spider and an ant. Good grief.
Rooney is the only player you have disliked at United since the late 80s?
I find that very hard to understand. I can understand why some people dont like him, if they are the sort of person who gets annoyed about little things. But if Rooney is the only person you have disliked, it doesnt seem like the little things generally annoy you.
Its not like he's the only player to ask to leave. Its not like he's the only player to get a bit stroppy on the pitch. Look at Van Nistelrooy, guilty of both offenses. And anyway, with the lack of leadership we have on the pitch I dont think its a bad thing we have a player who shows a bit of passion. Im sure it isnt an issue with the other players.
Why do you think Rooney winds you up, specifically?
Famous people have no right to complain about man-eating ants. If they dont like them they shouldnt be famous, simple.
That's a ridiculous reason to dislike a United player. If anything, one of our flaws in recent seasons has been a lack of players who will give out a bollocking when needed.
You must have absolutely loathed Schmeichel and Keane.
Exactly. I wouldn't mind being killed by ants if I was paid £300k a week. Rooney should just buckle down & get on with being eaten.
Fergie was right when trying to get rid of him. Annoying player. He's close to my dislike of Anderson (as a footballer).
Yeah, he does all that.
But nevermind that now - I have been told there are no poisonous animals (snakes and the like) on St. Kitts. Is this true?
I'll ask Coleen's close friend, mate.
I know it appears like a personal vendetta.
I did not mind his petulance before but I think as soon as Ronaldo left I saw a difference in him.
Ronaldo was one of my favourite Utd players, I even have 4 jerseys with his name on the back but I did not like his moaning when not being passed the ball. He still does that.
Rooney appears to have adopted that behavior but whilst Ronaldo can sometimes single-handedly win games, Rooney can not.
I remember at the world club championship in Japan when the 2 of them were being interviewed a club exec came and whispered in Ronaldo's ear and he subsequently got up, made some excuse and left.
Rooney was left to do the interview on his own all the while looking back wondering when he could leave.
He was, at that time, second fiddle to Ronaldo.
Since Ronaldo left he became more arrogant and started this roaming about the field to be constantly involved with the play. This is considered by some to be an admirable high work rate. He particularly chastises Nani for every mistake or non-pass he makes. I interpret that to be due to his feeling threatened that an in form Nani could surplant him, Rooney as our main player.
I am also tired of hearing match commentators overly praise him or every good pass or goal he scores: "world class", "typical Rooney" " such great vision" etc and then when he miscontrols, mis-passes or misses a goal you hear " uncharacteristic", " unlucky, " good idea " etc.
He has no control over what the media says but he seems to buy into it. The nike poster with his arms outstretched before a recent WC was ok but when he performed poorly it was overlooked due to a minor injury. Yet when he scored against city with the overhead kick he ran to the corner flag and repeated the
" saviour " pose. I thought it embarrassing because it made one think of his failed WC.
I could write a book. Just recently he made a comment about wanting to be Utd's captain. Who goes to the media to say that? He is clearly putiing pressure on LVG. His politically correct comments about RVP becoming captain and having to impress a new manager was looked at by some as being mature and magnanimous. I mean what else could he say?
I like this forum because there are many seemingly intelligent people here with different points of view. Maybe someone may convince me that I am wrong and that my opinion of him is skewed by my dislike. The thing is I had no problem with him before Ronaldo left.
Actually I liked Schmeichel and Keane was my favourite player. I have an autographed picture of him ( Keane ) on a wall in my inner office.
Both of these players did berate teammates but I always considered it as being done in a team context. Rooney does it for personal reasons. specifically when you do not pass the ball to him.