So does every player.
So does every player.
Tbf the first goal could have been a Park goal and someone else could score a penalty. I'm not of the opinion that the 2 goals excuses his poor performance today. It's unbelieavable that he's scored so much this season compared to his performances.
But I'm happy that he does. Many of his team mates aren't exactly the model of consistency themselves.
Rooney has been pretty reminiscent of United this season.
Poor performances but still got the results.
Poor performances but still got the results.
Some fecking bizarre comments in this thread with the night that's in it.
Rooney played very well, after a dodgy opening 20 minutes or so. Nani, well, didn't.
Rooney played very well, after a dodgy opening 20 minutes or so. Nani, well, didn't.
he was crap for most of the game pogue. Last 15 mins or so were ok.He was the only player aside from Giggs getting in remotely threatening positions, and he did it constantly, giving their defenders and midfielders a headache with his movement. And his touch was very good, that's usually the first to go down the drain when he's actually poor. Can't agree he was poor at all.
Rooney played very well? Jesus, standards are slipping.
Got his goals clinically and ran a lot. That's about it. uefa.com tells us he had ZERO successful deliveries into the penalty area.
De Gea was world class, Evans played really well and that's about it, everyone else needs to do a lot better.
Got his goals clinically and ran a lot. That's about it. uefa.com tells us he had ZERO successful deliveries into the penalty area.
De Gea was world class, Evans played really well and that's about it, everyone else needs to do a lot better.
Nonsense. Played very well after he scored. Diabolical beforehand, mind you.
Most on here would disagree I'm sure of that. His passing was woeful.
Good. Glad I'm not the only one paying attention.
Hernandez was very hot and cold (mainly cold, if I'm honest) which didn't help but yeah, Rooney's touch and movement was great. Decent performance (opening spell aside).
Poor in the first, better in the second i thought His passing was laughable in the first 15 minutes. Still got 2 goals, and still looked like creating so not a bad game, just not a great one.
Not a lot of players would coming off the bench late in a game of that pace. It would take a player time to settle in normally but when you're getting closed down and pressed the way we were I think it's understandable that he didn't quite get up to the speed of the game.
As far as Rooney goes, I thought he was quite poor personally (which is a strange thing to say about someone who scored twice). He was diabolical in the first half and grew into the game in the second and started finding his rhythm with his passing. The last half an hour or so he was decent, by his standards of course. Player performances are so relative that if Hernandez played exactly like Rooney did I would say he played alright, you just expect more from Rooney.
All true. I don't have a problem with Nani being a bit off the pace.
Just find it weird that this thread is bumped by people bigging up Nani after their respective performances tonight.
Wayne wouldn't be a flop in any team in Spain, I can't see the logic there.
Rooney showed his class with his movement for the first goal, some people said Park would have scored it but he was on his heels and didn't react at all. Rooney was absolutely predatory in the way he followed the play and read what was going to happen so he was always going to be first to the rebound.
I thought his distribution was overall poor for his standards. That first half was incredibly wasteful. Good movement for the goal and a well placed penalty though.
In Spain the emphasis is all on technical ability. Pace and strength means a lot less in Spain than it does here in Britain. Of all of Rooney's traits, his worst ones are his touch, dribbling and general ball control. He would get found out pretty sharpish in Spain, no matter how hard he works. In my opinion of course.
Looks like the slim majority were wrong on this one... though I guess Nani still has 10 days to turn things around if we take the two years from the date the the poll was created. Would need to be one hell of a performance against Chelsea though, I would imagine.
Funny how things pan out. I used to feel people overrated Nani a little around the time of this thread, but I never would have imagined he would have as hard a two years as he has had - or that it would be so difficult to understand what was blocking his progress.
Funny how things pan out. I used to feel people overrated Nani a little around the time of this thread, but I never would have imagined he would have as hard a two years as he has had - or that it would be so difficult to understand what was blocking his progress.
He could score 20 goals against Chelsea and Rooney would still be the better player.Well yeah, that's not going to happen, he's injured.
Just another thing to add to the "what might have been" column for Nani then.
To be fair, the thread was made at a time Nani was playing amazing and constantly improving, and Rooney was playing average enough.
it's easy to reflect and laugh now, but it just goes to show how good Nani was at the time, despite the illusion some on here have created that he's always been inconsistent for us.
Ah well, time to move on.
it's easy to reflect and laugh now, but it just goes to show how good Nani was at the time, despite the illusion some on here have created that he's always been inconsistent for us.
Ah well, time to move on.
Is there anything more stupid than bumping these old threads and laughing at the predictions?
What would you all say if Hectic wrote Ribery instead of Nani? It would be more than laughable back then.
What would you all say if Hectic wrote Ribery instead of Nani? It would be more than laughable back then.
Is it stupid? I think it is quite interesting. You make a prediction about what will happen two years in the future, when the two years is up it is hardly the strangest thing in the world to look back and consider the difference between what you expected and what actually happened.
I'm actually surprised people thought Nani would be better player than Rooney. I know Nani had the potential to be a very good player, but Rooney has always seemed to have the edge for me.
It would be all great if both of them continued their development and didn't have injury problems/contract issues/were dropped for clearly inferior players/, like let's say, Rooney vs Hernandez(even though that was never in doubt, but I am just giving an example), or Rooney vs van Persie, etc.
Why did no one bump this thread when Rooney was dropped against Madrid, or moved wide for Welbeck?
Rooney is clearly better player now, but laughing at the opinions when both of them were pretty much of same importance to our team is stupid.
This thread clearly deserved a bump given the question asks who will be a better player in two years. Injuries have played a part but I still find it inconceivable that the majority plumped for Nani despite his great form at the time. It does show how a bit of good form does sway a person's opinion. Rooney being a dick didn't help at the time.
Nani got more votes? Blimey how that went south
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say because the question posed in the OP was who would be better in two years, and it's now two years later.
The only thing stupid here is your objection to the bump.
Also, any objection to mocking Hectic is morally wrong. We don't get enough opportunities and tbh this isn't even a great one so just go with it.
@ Hectic
@ HecticI am not making objection to the bump, I know it's been two years since this thread is created, so I have nothing against bumping the thread, but I am making objection to the laughing at the predictions that happened two years ago, especially considering Nani's injuries, contract issues, and considering that Rooney is having one of his best seasons for the club(by some even his best).
OK, we were all wrong (I haven't voted, but I would vote as majority probably too), but considering that more people voted Nani than Rooney(on English forum!), says how good Nani has been at that time, and how things can turn around.
Also, any objection to mocking Hectic is morally wrong. We don't get enough opportunities and tbh this isn't even a great one so just go with it.
That is a good reason tbf
The main thing I'd take from this is how ridiculous the "Nani's never developed into a top player, he's never been consistently good" bollocks is.
Two years ago he was basically seen as our main attacking threat. But a lot of people ignore that now, and skip straight from 2009 to 2013.
Two years ago he was basically seen as our main attacking threat. But a lot of people ignore that now, and skip straight from 2009 to 2013.
To be honest I'd say the more laughable post was Vim's 'Nani is clearly a better player than Rooney', which is ridiculous. Absolutely unthinkable to imagine that more teams would want and pay more for Nani than Rooney.Also, any objection to mocking Hectic is morally wrong. We don't get enough opportunities and tbh this isn't even a great one so just go with it.
It's not that he's never been consistently good, it's just that he was consistently good for about five months when he scored a lot of goals. Prior to and after that he's been relentlessly hit and miss. I don't really change what I said on the first page of this thread about either player. It's easy to forget Nani's a United player these days.
I can't imagine people have said "We'll be fine as soon as we get Nani back" or "We badly miss Nani", whereas those two quotes are often levelled at Rooney.
By attacking threat I presume you're not including Rooney?
Or two years, but let's not quible over 19 months.
Well, according to this vote...
I think I must've been on a different wavelength. But there you go...
For full disclosure and to assure anyone that the purpose of this bump was not to laugh at them getting anything wrong, just picking out my own part in this. Which is exactly as I remember it. Which comes back to what people were saying above about Nani being our main man two years ago. I dont think I ever thought he actually was our main man in the here and now. But he seemed to be on a steep trajectory of improvement. Rooney started off so well before we even signed him, looked a world beater and then has arguably never really become the player he was ludicrously hyped up to be, as good as he is. (It is amazing someone can have achieved so much, be on the verge of becoming our all time top scorer, but still be thought of as having underachieved somewhat.) Nani also looked in better physical shape and may have lasted better, though not sure that is particularly an important factor over a two year horizon.
I think all that is a bigger part of it than being duped by some temporary form on Nani's part. I guess it is what ifs but if Nani hadnt had injuries it is fair to speculate he might have gone on to be a hell of a lot better than he did. To be honest for me it is less a case of laughing at people (like me) who made the wrong prediction, than agonising a little over how unfortunate things have been for Nani, a player with so much promise who is now being linked with moves away - not to Madrid, but to Fulham. (And Juve and Lisbon of course, but that doesnt make my point so well.)