Rooney vs Nani

Who will be the better player in two years?

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@plugsy

I'm not too sure that's the case tbh, clearly some feel stronger/weaker towards certain players, hence we label them with an objective, whereas it's only down to their opinion..

Where have people insulted you for voicing your opinion? Point it out to me.. He claimed you were wrong as he believed you were, it seems like you are being a bit sensitive is all, a road I'm, no stranger to.
 
Plugsy said:
There's an awful shock, someone criticise Nani and there you are. If people don't believe Nani is one of the best players around it's quite funny how you and others almost never let an even slightly criticial comment pass without doing your usual routine.
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What? Aren't you getting me here? Slightly critical? You're the one going completely and absurdly over the top constantly, why else would you draw such reactions? Nobody else gets the reactions in here that your posts do, because they're mental. nobody has ever said Nani is one of the best around and a vital player, that's why your criticisms are so stupid. I don't see anyone defending him on current form in here at all, certainly not me, it'd been mostly based on these crazy accusations that he's never managed to deliver for us at all. Also, you might notice, far more people are saying they'd want him to be playing, that he's our best winger, and they'd want him to stay at the club than haven't, so what does that tell you exactly? You're making out like it's a minority of "fanboys" defending Nani in here when in reality the majority consensus would completely dismiss your criticisms as the absolute bullshit.

Again,who the hell is saying he's one of the best players around? Who has said that in the last two years? Tell me, I want to know Plugsy, I want you to prove that what you're saying isn't a load of made up dogs bollocks purely typed in here to try and provoke these reactions. Go on, post it.

if you make mental statements and accusations about a player you will always provoke reactions on this board, that's the way it is, this idea that it's limited to Nani is fecking stupid. I've seen people go to all lengths to defend players like Carrick, Fletcher, Valencia, Welbeck etc in the past when they were going through difficult spells in their careers. if anything it's people like you, who come along every now again and post shit like the above which seemingly only actually has one single purpose, to provoke his defenders, otherwise why else would you phrase it in such an over the top, critical and condescending tone?

Plugsy said:
It happens EVERY time a critical comment is made about Nani. At first I thought it was just me who gets this treatment. It's why I stay clear of the Nani thread now.
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Yes, you're staying clear of the Nani thread and instead going into ... another Nani thread. Clever.
 
Jaybezia said:
@plugsy

I'm not too sure that's the case tbh, clearly some feel stronger/weaker towards certain players, hence we label them with an objective, whereas it's only down to their opinion..

Where have people insulted you for voicing your opinion? Point it out to me.. He claimed you were wrong as he believed you were, it seems like you are being a bit sensitive is all, a road I'm, no stranger to.
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Er,, my entire last paragraph, I insulted him quite a lot, he deserves it though, I'm not usually a Neviller, but in certain cases, after a certain amount of mental posts, it just has to be done.
 
Cina said:
Er,, my entire last paragraph, I insulted him quite a lot, he deserves it though, I'm not usually a Neviller, but in certain cases, after a certain amount of mental posts, it just has to be done.
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It's now turned into that, but it didn't start as him saying 'I don think Nani is good', with you following up giving him verbal, you got annoyed after people don't listen or understand, or they repeat points as though its a new avenue of reasoning, it's a bit more understandable. He makes it out as though he calmly neutrally offers his opinion and gets his head bitten off, it's not true.
 
Jaybezia said:
It's now turned into that, but it didn't start as him saying 'I don think Nani is good', with you following up giving him verbal, you got annoyed after people don't listen or understand, or they repeat points as though its a new avenue of reasoning, it's a bit more understandable. He makes it out as though he calmly neutrally offers his opinion and gets his head bitten off, it's not true.
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precisely, he's completely playing the victim card in here when it's clearly evident that he's the one constantly coming into the Nani threads with a singular purpose, to make his defenders give a reaction.

For example
Plugsy said:
Isn't it a bit boring when after six years of obvious underachievement people still react like a Harry Styles fan on twitter when someone mentions they dislike his hat?

I mean really. He is the one player at the club who it is fecking impossible to have a sensible discussion about because of the number of sheer hysterical girls blouses that regularly haunt this thread.

The difference between what every-day United fans think of Nani and the group of about 5-10 posters in this thread who act like his PR man whenever anyone pipes up a word of what is to be honest quite obvious and widely shared criticism, is stark.

If he stays he stays, if he goes he goes but discussion about him, at least here, is dead unless you have the same opinion as the minders.
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So it doesn't happen. Only on the last page it happened...but it doesn't happen. Nobody defends Nani jealously and there's never a big fuss/stink and insults thrown around if someone's opinion is voiced. It's merely a coincidence that I'm making this point now and this very same thing happened on the last page.

Okay, it's all in my head. Liam wasn't called a liar for offering opinions. Discussions on Nani aren't closed down whenever someone gives an opinion that differs from the group of usual Nani defenders and Cina doesn't reply to every critical comment that's ever made of Nani on this or the other thread just to really prove the point that they don't obsess with other people having alternative opinions on the subject.

None of that happens, I take it all back.
 
Plugsy said:
Cina doesn't reply to every critical comment that's ever made of Nani on this or the other thread .
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This is the only post I've made in the entire four pages of this thread since it was bumped, until now.
Cina said:
To be fair, the thread was made at a time Nani was playing amazing and constantly improving, and Rooney was playing average enough.

it's easy to reflect and laugh now, but it just goes to show how good Nani was at the time, despite the illusion some on here have created that he's always been inconsistent for us.

Ah well, time to move on.
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Your was literally the only post I saw fit to bother replying to. Why? Because it was daft, because it set out to provoke reactions, because it was full of accusations and statements that simply are not true. You're being a hypocritical twit in this thread and that's why almost everyone is laughing at you, constantly.
 
Some people are still voting :lol:
 
The case between Nani & Valencia is an interesting one. Using the idea that because two managers have favored Valencia more than Nani means that they view Valencia as the better player sounds fallacious to me. I think more accurately, we have two managers of a similar mould who have a liking for Valencia where other managers might have used Valencia much less.

Nani has not benefitted from getting a run of games. It seems expectations are much higher with him and by not meeting these expectations, he is granted less leeway. Whenever he's been out from injury and comes back, he isn't really given a run of games to get back into form. Yet every now and then he'll be picked and put in a good performance. Sometimes he wont start the next game. Sometimes he will and he'll put in a frustrating performance. Valencia can put in a frustrating performance but still be safe in the knowledge that he'll more often than not be picked for the next game or the one after that at the very least. It leads me to ask, how exactly is Valencia feeling the heat in terms of competition for places. Players talked about it alot in interviews but when you see the likes of Valencia start game upon game despite being quite poor, it just makes you wonder how much competition for places is really going on.

I think Nani is gifted and under a different manager and environment would thrive. We've seen what he's capable of and we know he can be consistent but it means you have to deal with the frustrating aspects of his game as well. His erratic decision making may be one reason why he's not consistently selected but these are the gambles you have to take with these sort of players. I'm curious how Moyes will handle Nani when he's available again. If the cycle continues of expecting him to perform well in the odd game, I think we're all just going to be disappointed. Nani is so eager to impress when his form hasnt settled, it seems disruptive to the flow of our game. So either we stick with him or just get rid. I dont see Nani changing what he is anytime soon
 
Maybe we should make Nani player-manager, he can give himself a run of games, set the team up in a way that'll get the most out of him and do everything that ensures he is fully confident & motivated. He'd keep telling himself how amazing he is and that everyone looks up to him and thinks he is the best bloke in the dressing room, ensuring he rises again to be the best winger in the whole wide world ever ever ever. Sweeping us to 4th in the league on his coattails. Come on Woodward, get it done before its too late.
 
What I don't get is why people don't bother to ask themselves why Nani doesn't get this run of games he so deserves. From an outside perspective I personally would play him over Valencia for the rest of the season, but the people who talk about it as some great injustice do come across as being weirdly attached to Nani. Sir Alex played Giggs consistently for 20 years - he had no problem playing an inconsistent, frustrating risk-taker. He gave Ronaldo loads of games when he was frustrating as hell. Lee Sharpe and Kanchelskis weren't exactly risk-averse Steady Eddie's either. So why is it that Nani would be he sole victim of this terrible injustice and oversight by Sir Alex? Likewise with Moyes, he played Mirallas in almost every game when fit despite being even more inconsistent. Surely people are open to the possibility that the things outside of being quite good at kicking a ball on the pitch - mentality, personality, professionalism - factor into this decision on how often he's played?
 
Adebesi said:
Maybe we should make Nani player-manager, he can give himself a run of games, set the team up in a way that'll get the most out of him and do everything that ensures he is fully confident & motivated. He'd keep telling himself how amazing he is and that everyone looks up to him and thinks he is the best bloke in the dressing room, ensuring he rises again to be the best winger in the whole wide world ever ever ever. Sweeping us to 4th in the league on his coattails. Come on Woodward, get it done before its too late.
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:lol: It's crazy enough to work.
 
Brwned said:
What I don't get is why people don't bother to ask themselves why Nani doesn't get this run of games he so deserves. From an outside perspective I personally would play him over Valencia for the rest of the season, but the people who talk about it as some great injustice do come across as being weirdly attached to Nani. Sir Alex played Giggs consistently for 20 years - he had no problem playing an inconsistent, frustrating risk-taker. He gave Ronaldo loads of games when he was frustrating as hell. Lee Sharpe and Kanchelskis weren't exactly risk-averse Steady Eddie's either. So why is it that Nani would be he sole victim of this terrible injustice and oversight by Sir Alex? Likewise with Moyes, he played Mirallas in almost every game when fit despite being even more inconsistent. Surely people are open to the possibility that the things outside of being quite good at kicking a ball on the pitch - mentality, personality, professionalism - factor into this decision on how often he's played?
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I can see why he doesnt but it's when you compare it to what valencia has offered up that you wonder does nani not deserve a run of games too? maybe that's fallacious but you wonder sometimes
 
Adebesi said:
Maybe we should make Nani player-manager, he can give himself a run of games, set the team up in a way that'll get the most out of him and do everything that ensures he is fully confident & motivated. He'd keep telling himself how amazing he is and that everyone looks up to him and thinks he is the best bloke in the dressing room, ensuring he rises again to be the best winger in the whole wide world ever ever ever. Sweeping us to 4th in the league on his coattails. Come on Woodward, get it done before its too late.
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I'd give him a go over Moyes right now ;)
 
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