It was implied that that would also happen when we can get him back to his best and use him in our system.
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That’s your downfall. We don’t play like Everton, you are trying to say that if we play like in his Everton days we can play his strength but we don’t play like Everton. We are playing more quick link up with fluidity.
There is big difference between giant club expectations with mid table expectations. Just because you can score goals with mid table club like Defoe, Bent Benteke Aston Villa and etc, doesn’t mean you are good enough playing for a giant club.
You don’t get it. The reason Carragher compared him to RVN not Drogba it’s because RVN is more of a pure no 9, not because of their style of play. Players like Benzema, Firmino, Drogba, Rashford & Martial can be man of the match without scoring goals. Lukaku needs to score to be motm, simply because that’s his asset scoring goals.
Carragher quote:
‘’Sometimes people want a bit more from Lukaku. Because he came through at Chelsea and was a huge presence people thought he was going to replace Drogba but he’s not like Drogba’’
“Drogba could be Man of the Match in a game he didn’t score in, he could dominate a whole back four by running channels and overpowering people.’’
“Lukaku is more like Ruud van Nistelrooy or Andy Cole”
All your post is just telling people to watch watch watch. I meant you could have replace all of those texts to telling people to watch to give me a proof to say that how Lukaku won’t slow down our attack with his poor touch and ball control, how Lukaku can overcome his poor movement that always give our players difficulty to pass the ball to him and how is he good enough to play for United.
I know you struggle to answer so what about do me a favour, watch our full games again and rewatch Lukaku again and you will realise what Lukaku actually is. Anyway do that and it should give you the answe and you’ll change your mind.
I’m laughing so hard at what you’ve written because the one point your’re attacking me on is the one thing you say you won’t do which answers all your questions about wanting evidence
Again just for the sake of it Martinez’s Everton have lots of similarities with how we have been playing in these last few games. You’re asking for evidence but are refusing to do anything and making assertions and assumptions based on what apeers to be not knowing the full history or story of someone. What you seem to be missing is that the Everton he was in was about quick play and fluidity so people saying he can’t do it to me is false. He can do it and has done it really well.
It just sounds like you have a false impression of Lukaku based on limited viewing and judging him only on his time here because you say his movement is poor yet it was good at Everton and good for Belgium but say it was rubbish for us which it was but he was playing as a target man under instruction from Jose. Zlatan did the same thing and was predominantly a lamp post for his time here.
Anyway this is getting us no where hopefully you’ll be wrong, he’ll go on to have a great career here, bang in goals help the team and help us win multiple trophies but seriously just watch that 16/17 season to see how wrong most of your assumptions are.
Lukaku has many problems. One of them is lack of ball control. Even the pundits have picked up on his inability to control the ball and hitting him on his gob with Carrick looking on with his arms crossed. He does not get many chances because his movements are terrible. How many times, have we seen him on his back foot when a chance goes begging. Plenty. If his anticipation was good he would have already been moving. I personally think he is trying too hard. He thinks he has to be this great player who can do everything. He cannot do everything. He needs to anticipate and do the simplest things. We do put the ball in dangerous areas but Lukaku is not there because of his lack of anticipition and movement. Now against Newcastle because he was on the move he got to the rebound. If he keeps doing that all the time, he will score more goals.
Do I think he is good enough to lead the line for United? The answer is No. We need a world class striker to lead the Line at Manchester United. Lukaku is not by any stretch of the imagination.
Do I think he is good enough to lead the line for United? The answer is No. We need a world class striker to lead the Line at Manchester United. Lukaku is not by any stretch of the imagination.
I’m laughing so hard at what you’ve written because the one point your’re attacking me on is the one thing you say you won’t do which answers all your questions about wanting evidence
Again just for the sake of it Martinez’s Everton have lots of similarities with how we have been playing in these last few games. You’re asking for evidence but are refusing to do anything and making assertions and assumptions based on what apeers to be not knowing the full history or story of someone. What you seem to be missing is that the Everton he was in was about quick play and fluidity so people saying he can’t do it to me is false. He can do it and has done it really well.
All I want you to do is show me that you are right not just talk and telling people what to do.
This doesn’t make any sense. In my yesterday post I told you that we are playing quick link up play with fluidity and you denied it. After I gave you two clips of how we played, you are changing your mind now. Well, good then one is solved, we can finally agree that we are right now playing quick link up play with fluidity.
Let me ask you, in your view what’s Lukaku’s strength? What do we need to do to play that strength?
Because in my opinion his strength is scoring goals, which what a true no 9 does. The closer he’s on the goal or penalty box, it’s where we can play his strength.
You said yesterday that we should stick with the way how we are playing now not playing differently.
Thus, You can’t expect United to play his strength by telling him to do what Rashford has done stretching defenders. That’s not his strength at all. Rashford & Lingard are so much better than Lukaku in this aspect
And, you can’t also expect him to play like Martial, playing him wide and beat his men and link up play with Rashford, Lingard and etc. his ball control & touch are poor to be given that task.
Carragher already said that Lukaku is not like Drogba who is good with running channel and overpowering people.
And it’s not just me, even professional pundit like Neville, Scholes, Carragher, Ferdinand don’t seem agree with you.
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Because you made it seem like we would play like Barca or City which I said we wouldn’t and even mentioned their names and pointed out when we have played something of that ilk it’s mostly been down on the left side between the 3 I mentioned, I then went on to point out when we eventually fix the right side or deploy Rashford as a WF it will open up the space and we will hopefully play in a much better balanced fluid system.
We won’t play like Barca or city but we will have fast paced attackers and interchanging of positions in a fluid system with our attackers popping up all over the front 3, more than likely Lukaku will probably for most of out]r play be the front man playing off the shoulder but he does like to drift out to the left and make runs from out to in.
This is why I’ve said you should watch that 16/17 Everton because we won’t be changing anything really other than fixing the right hand side and you’ll also get a better view of what Lukaku can bring to this team because his movement in terms of intelligence and creating space for others is better than Rashfords we just aren’t had the chance to see itat United and it’s a damn shame and then we get people like yourself saying these aren’t his strengths when they are.
I got what you were saying about RVN but that’s a very simplistic way of looking at it, agreed he isn’t the kind of player to just go out there and win games on his own like say a Suarez or Aguero. He needs the team but he helps the team in his movement much like Saha did when he was brought in to replace RVN. Lukaku is not just someone who will hang about in the box waiting for scraps, he’ll move around, run channels, stretch defenders and move players like he did at Everton. Which is why you should go and watch that.
So in summary we are already playing to his strengths which is fast counters with lots of movement, his touch will never likely be good enough or let’s say consistent enough because he is capable of moments of good control and touches they just aren’t done enough but hopefully not being asked to take down a ball from a lump upfield against 2 CB’s in limited space that will improve.
His lack of control is disgusting. His goals just don't make up for it. Until he can make a bad ball look good, like a Top striker then he shouldn't be our number one striker.
I prefer being excited about Rashford getting a run to criticising Lukaku. We all know Lukaku's strengths and limitations.
I really dislike him as he has shown that he can't even do the basics right. Saying that, he has been much better in the last couple of games. His control and hold up play has been better. This has been the main reason I have been anti Lukaku. Control is a pre-requisite for a footballer, never mind Premier League/International.
His has been awful. He's better running at defences. Forget the hold up play, not his game.
I'd still rather Rashford started as we have looked dangerous with Martial/Rashford/Lingard with Pogba behind and Herrera/Matic behind them.
What I don't get is why Mourinho the master tactician couldn't work this out.
My opinion is he knew he could not catch City and Liverpool and he gave up and engineered a sacking.
His has been awful. He's better running at defences. Forget the hold up play, not his game.
I'd still rather Rashford started as we have looked dangerous with Martial/Rashford/Lingard with Pogba behind and Herrera/Matic behind them.
What I don't get is why Mourinho the master tactician couldn't work this out.
My opinion is he knew he could not catch City and Liverpool and he gave up and engineered a sacking.
I have always held reservations about him because of his lack of effective touch and control. It's just too important an attribute to overlook and I can't see him improving it .
The ability to create space with a deft first touch guided into space quickly is the margin that makes all the difference. Lukaku however, uses so much attention to trying to just trap the ball, he's closed down and the game gets away from him. With little scope remaining to be effective.
The ball is then lost or goes back away from danger. Even if he does somehow manage the initial play successfully, he has the passing skills of a man with clown boots on. There's nothing "zippy" and accurate about it. No craft. And if he decides to go with it himself, not enough guile or smarts.
The ability to create space with a deft first touch guided into space quickly is the margin that makes all the difference. Lukaku however, uses so much attention to trying to just trap the ball, he's closed down and the game gets away from him. With little scope remaining to be effective.
The ball is then lost or goes back away from danger. Even if he does somehow manage the initial play successfully, he has the passing skills of a man with clown boots on. There's nothing "zippy" and accurate about it. No craft. And if he decides to go with it himself, not enough guile or smarts.
I think Ole would be a perfect man to work with him individually and try to improve upon those aspects in his game.
Haha I see you are just bunch of talk. If you are going to disagree with other people, please provide solid proof, don’t just talk! Show clips, stats or something. You are telling people to watch the games, at least provide us the link where we can watch them.
I can tell you that you are talking nonsense and lying. You asked me to watch Everton 2016/2017 because Martinez’s Everton has similarity with the way how we are playing right now. Nonsense!! Everton 2016/2017 is Koeman’s Everton not Martinez!! Make up your mind!
I did watch Everton matches when Lukaku was in the team, and I can tell you that we are playing different football. Even their players and also their front three have different style compared to ours.
And please don’t compare Saha with Lukaku. Saha has good touch and ball control, that’s why he can bring other people into play.
You also fail to give me any direct answer of my question what is Lukaku’s strength. All you give me as an answer is what Lukaku can do. Cleverley can pass the ball forward doesn’t make it as his strength. It’s all about consistency of doing the task, and almost 90% people in here and pundit know he’s poor with his movement.
One last thing, please have a think again. If a player has bad touch and ball control how is he not going to slow down our attack? You won’t find the answer because it’s impossible for a player who has poor touch and ball control not to kill the momentum of any quick fluid flowing attack.
Yes but you can also teach up to a certain level. He cannot teach the ball control and neither can he teach him vision and anticipation. So I think Lukaku should be sold and we should get a world class striker. Lukaku is the same level as Jamie Vardy etc.
Well, a world class striker is not that easy to find that you can bin any one any time and get them. He can come up with 25 - 30 goals in a season with the right setup and still that can come in handy by focusing on what he is good at.
Not sure if this has been posted in this thread or anywhere on this site. Its an interesting recent candid interview from before Mourinho was sacked.
It's up to him now... his time at United will define his career. He needs to relax, and tighten up his game.
Focus on being a single-minded, hungry, totally dominant player and on-field charater.
Lukaku should want, really want to hit 30 goals a season... but he looks like a nervous player when the game begins. Maybe he cannot deal with being the main man at United, currently the shirt is too much for him. He (and a few others...) need to change this. United players need to inspire their team, not just have an average run-out, and the odd good game. That is not enough.
Focus on being a single-minded, hungry, totally dominant player and on-field charater.
Lukaku should want, really want to hit 30 goals a season... but he looks like a nervous player when the game begins. Maybe he cannot deal with being the main man at United, currently the shirt is too much for him. He (and a few others...) need to change this. United players need to inspire their team, not just have an average run-out, and the odd good game. That is not enough.
Some players find it difficult to play in such a pressure cooker environment. Gary Birtles comes to mind. I do not think Lukaku is going to score 25 to 30 goals a season. United does not play that way. If all our goals were scored by Lukaku, yes it may happen but that is not United. We have as good as if not better players than Lukaku playing up front for United. He is going to get more frustrated because he is also not going to get every chance and other players are going to score too.
As a striker for United he needs to be able to create his own chances and that is something he rarely does.
As a striker for United he needs to be able to create his own chances and that is something he rarely does.
Listen it’s not my issue if you’re too lazy to go and just look up that 2016/17 Everton or the 15/16 Everton or even Lukaku’s time at West Brom also look through the thread stats and clips have been provided by myself and others, I mean the stats show his link up is better than Kane’s but...
Oh my bad I got the years confused, that’s not lying is it, it’s called making a mistake at least be respectful.
That’s about as good as you and Carragher comparing him to RVN but my comparison is that Lukaku will work a line, run channels which RVN would not and why Saha was brought in because in doing so allowed players like Rooney and Ronaldo to then use the space.
No I’ve given you multiple examples and told you directly you’ve just ignored them. Again this movement is a false narrative based off of his time at United where he has been asked to play as a target man and do the same job as Zlatan who’s movement was also non existent for his time here, another point you decided to ignore.
That’s absolute rubbish because Lingard somehow manages it granted his touch isn’t as bad as Lukaku’s but we’ve seen it here with Hernandez who had a terrible touch but somehow still managed to be involved and to harp back to this watch that Everton side to see how much a team suffered with flowing moves.
Even on the rare occasion Jose allowed us to attack there are moves where Lukaku is the one that links it all together, there is a Lingard goal against Leicester I think where Lukaku takes out 3 with his move and touch then plays a ball across the box for either Lingard or Miki to tap it in.
Even Lukaku’s first league goal (I believe) for us is him moving in to space from a slipped through Rashford pass and there are a few more like that and incident where he is the link up man. Hence why you had so many people lauding his abilities of being a play maker at the time and how he should play out on the right. (I mean I’m not behind that) but you can see how perceptions were changed when people started to watch him.
Actually even just look at this clip to see some of his link up and how many attacks he has set up for us or been the important player in the move but oh wait, no , his link up play is non existent.
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I think he is too nice a guy. Needs to be a bit more of a bastard on the pitch. But he will score a lot more goals with Ole in place.
Annoying how some wish to be constantly negative about certain players. I mean it really is pointless repeating how limited his control of the ball is over and over again. We can all see it and it's been stated countless times. If he's happy being back up to Rashford, then all is well, Ole will sure play those who fit his tactics best. Now is the time for optimism, but some are still holding onto the negative virus and blaming it all on our previous manager.
He got off to a good start with his 27 goals last season
Listen, it’s 3 seasons ago how are we supposed to find the full matches of Everton. It’s your responsibility to provide us the link if you are asking people to watch. You are trying to defend your point by telling people to watch and not telling them where to watch them, that’s lazy.
Okay sorry you aren’t lying. I’ll take everything what you said as mistakes. You are mistaken Koeman’s Everton with Martinez’s Everton, means you are mistaken us playing the same style as Everton. You are also mistaken about Lukaku, which the point that I have been telling you.
You still fail to give me a direct answer. Let me repeat this again, what you have given me is what Lukaku can do, being able to do something a few times is different to being very good at it.
Let me ask you once more what’s Lukaku’s strength?
Come on, let’s not be deluded here.
Lingard’s first touch might not be world class but his first touch is miles better than Lukaku.
Hernandez? You meant our previous super sub. Well, I guess that’s where Lukaku belongs to a super sub not in our XI.
Doing it a few times doesn’t mean you can do it in consistent basis.
You interpreted me calling Lukaku’s movement and touch as poor like he never actually make one good movement in his life. What’s the point to call him good at it if he only makes one or two good movement in 10 matches. That’s why everyone have said he’s poor at it.
I laughed watching these.
Such a slow build up is indeed very suitable for Lukaku. In fact 90% of the 2 Everton clips only show him losing the ball or passing it backward with no fluidity in the team. I still can’t believe how is someone have an idea that we are right now playing exactly like Koeman’s Everton and Martinez’s Everton.I’m still curious to find the answer of this.
Can we please get “a direct answer’’?
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Be good if you were both asking the same question though right and you’ve been answered so many times that now it’s just weird that you keep asking. Especially when the other one doesn’t understand what ‘implied’ means.
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He certainly has not this season.
So are you going to answer it or just keep talking nonsense?
He hasn't, but your thoughts about his ability to manage 25-30 a season were unfounded
I’ll repeat if you can read the answer to your question has already been covered but once more I guess.
So it seems that your ideas of how we play or will play is based off of 1 goal where Rashford wasn’t involved other than being on the turn looking for a ball through which is a Lukaku strength. Not to mention the goal is Martial taking advantage of a poor Lingard pass that wasn’t even meant for him. There are very few other bits of play like this and last season or the previous season Mata scored due to a similar bit of play.
Lukaku is also very good at running the channels and moving defenders about, he also has smart movement when in the box and often makes selfless runs which the sole purpose of is creating space for others. He reads the game well in that aspect.
As was shown to you he can link up play and play some very good passes. See the video that was added for you earlier with his passing for United. Another strength
He’s fast and very strong and quick across the ground is good in the air and a clinical finisher off of either foot. Also in swift counters is where he comes alive and since that looks like the way the new Manchester United under Ole is going to play you would think that will only benefit Lukaku as that tends to be where he lets all his strengths shine.
As has come apparent through out this you view him in a very certain way which I really don’t agree with, I also don’t agree with what you think is how we are going to play moving forward so really this is a pointless conversation as I’m not going to change my view and neither are you and if you’re going to ignore certain facts and evidence then it becomes even more pointless.
Now I’m wanting to concentrate on the woman’s team playing West Ham so thank you for the debate but Tara.
It has been covered? So telling people to watch Everton is what you call it’s been covered!
We won’t have this long discussion if it’s been covered. Just answer the question and quote him. We both want to know the solution of your ridiculous nonsense assumption.
Answer who? What are you talking about now? You’ve been answered there are no other questions.
Oh my Lord, you do realise that is now at least 3 times you’ve taken a thread off topic and you do realise he isn’t asking the same question as you right? He mentioned something about not caring about someone challenging Kane for the golden boot but only cares about titles and Lukaku helping us do that and I wrote I believe that is implied. Look up the meaning of implied but think of it as if Lukaku is challenging Kane for golden boot and helping the team then Moses than likely we are challenging for titles.
So basically all you’re doing now is trolling and taking a thread off topic.
So basically all you’re doing now is trolling and taking a thread off topic.
He played 34 games in the league and scored only 16 goals last season. That simply is not enough for the CF and leading striker of Manchester United. Of these 16 goals Chelsea was the only top team he scored against in the PL. If he starts scoring 20 plus goals in the PL then I admit I was wrong and he also need to score against the big teams too.
If you only wanted to mention the league itself you should've made that clear. He scored 27 last season.
Does anyone know where I can this fella's goal contributions for 2018 (calendar year) club and country?
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