My understanding is that he's shit for Bayern
Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea
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He needs the right platform to salvage all that alleged potential he has. It's definitely not here to do so. Somewhere lower down to pick his confidence straight back up.
In any case I'm not convinced by him - it's starting to look like he was fast tracked entirely down to physicality and he's now at a level playing field vs grown men.
In any case I'm not convinced by him - it's starting to look like he was fast tracked entirely down to physicality and he's now at a level playing field vs grown men.
Exactly this. I'd rather we signed players who fit our needs rather than our fifa wishlist. Someone like Bale or Griezmann would be great but we didn't finish 6th last season because we didn't have 1 of the world's best players, we finished 6th because we didn't have enough very good players.
Not fussed. Looks like a new Anderson. Bayern obviously not convinced by what theyve seen. I may be wrong though.
Didn't want, don't want
Anderson was actually great his first season was us. And was sporadically good until Ferguson left.
Our midfield needs depth next season and for the price quoted, he wouldn't be a bad buy.
Jose wanted him before bayern snatched him up last season.
Jose wanted him before bayern snatched him up last season.
Bayern don't usually get it wrong when they sell of players.
Yup, Bayern willing to sell a player so young after one year is a big red flag for me.
I'd rather we take a chance with our own midfield protege, Pereira.
Pogba, Herrera, Fabinho, Pereira, Fellaini and Carrick.
Besides, after Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger I'd think twice about signing anyone from Bayern, however easy spelling his name might be.
Pogba, Herrera, Fabinho, Pereira, Fellaini and Carrick.
Besides, after Hargreaves and Schweinsteiger I'd think twice about signing anyone from Bayern, however easy spelling his name might be.
Like they sold Hummels?
If we're going to make a list of players sold after one year I can pretty much guarantee the "they suck" list is longer than "lol we were wrong"
Completely different situation. The fact that are willing to give up on a 19 year old a year after making him one of the most expensive teenagers ever should ring alarm bells.
and only time can tell which it would be
There is no need for any alarm bells unless you are privy to the facts of the situation. Doing such is like crying wolf with not even dog being in sight.
No matter the situation, the club should do their due diligence before signing any player.
He has struggled to settle is what i have heard from folks who are bayern fans, i don't see how a guy who couldn't settle in germany will suddenly do better under even bigger spot light.
So you dont see how
- having a Portuguese coach makes a difference?
- or the fact that United has once nurtured another Portuguese teenage starlet is relevant?
- or that there is another young Portuguese player in the current squad matters?
- or the possibilityof being reunited with another youngster from his former youth club will not affect his settling in?
These are just a few things that can potentially make him more settled at United than Bayern, but also maybe not. But that is for the club to review before taking the plunge.
Failure to settle at Bayern does not mean the kid cant settle down at another big club.
Anderson Mk2? 
Anderson Mk2?
Anderson was much better in his debut season with United.
So he's Portuguese. That looks like one point to me.
His main obstacle is he isn't actually that good. Bayern signed him off the back of hype, his technical ability was never up to scratch.
1. This will make a huge difference because mourinho has developed tons of youngsters where ever he has been.
2. How many great young players have we developed since then.
3. Because only portuguese people can understand portuguese players others lack the great skills that god has given to portuguese people.
4. Which player is this?
Fact is neither of us can predict will he settle here if we bought him or not, but for 35mn i wouldn't take that risk now since we don't really have the luxury to go for a player like him, we have more important spots in the team that need to be sorted out before trying to get a failed starlet. We need a lb, a dm, a winger and a striker and sanches in none of those.
I don't think Bayern discarding him (if it's true) is the best way to judge a player, every club makes mistakes and Bayern are no different. For all we know Sanches style doesn't suit Bayern's, Jose wanted him last summer so if he is available for decent price then why not?
Sanches and Costa for 65 Million pounds is too good to be true going by the prices that are paid this summer.
Sanches and Costa for 65 Million pounds is too good to be true going by the prices that are paid this summer.
That is a lot of hype for an 18yr old to
- become a starter for a championship Benfica
- to be a starter for the Portuguese NT that won the euros
- to win man of the match twice in the euros
- to be voted yung player of the euros by a committee including SAF
- to have both Bayern and United vying for your signature and be willing to pay €30m+.
Yes that takes quite a lot of hype. Unfortunately, I cant remember any other teenager achieving that much on hype.
#2. How many such young talent has the club bought?
#3. The more the kid feels at home the more likely he is to settle down. He is more likely to connect with someone he shares a background with than one he does not
#4. Lindelof
Whether he is worth the risk and at what price, I would let those with more details decide.
The only thing I can see is that the kid has got talent, and failure to settle at Bayern will not change that.
Too many on this forum continue to have their head in football manager.
Let's be clear, it is possible for a player to not perform to his abilities on the back of a big move. It is also possible for the same player to subsequently flourish at a different club.
This whole "he's failed at Bayern and clearly not good enough" is nonsense. There are tons of examples of this down the years, Sneijder, Robben, Higuain.... To right off a player of his age is lunacy.
Let's be clear, it is possible for a player to not perform to his abilities on the back of a big move. It is also possible for the same player to subsequently flourish at a different club.
This whole "he's failed at Bayern and clearly not good enough" is nonsense. There are tons of examples of this down the years, Sneijder, Robben, Higuain.... To right off a player of his age is lunacy.
Which is why it is worrying that Bayern seem to already be doing that.
Ancelotti isn't exactly known for bringing youth through. I get the impression the kid hasn't settled and Mendes is trying to get a move.
Yeah, that's what hype is?
And how many teenagers, hell how many players, can you remember being sold after one year because they can't cut it at the club? And the reason he's leaving isn't because Bayern have no prior history of developing Portuguese talent, it's because he's not good enough.
He is not a risk a club like us should make. This is a risk a mid table Bundelsiga club or a clubs like Lyon or Marsielle should make.
Salah, Luis filipe, Zlatan, Savic to name a few .
Until the story plays out and we see the kid at another club, your claim that he is not good enough is baseless. bayern deemed Hummels not good enough back then as well and yet here we are.
It depends on the deal. Loan with option to buy is a worthwhile risk. Even at 25m as a purchase it's a risk worth taking. I think he is perfectly suited to a physical league
Same point I've been making
you have not been making any points, but simply baseless claims
He needs 3 seasons at Lyon before anyone can know if he can reach the very top. But yeah Bayern willing to ditch him is a red flag. They have some great young players that all the money in the world could not buy. Scoring the goal of the season in his first game for Benfica probably went a long way to fast tracking a move to a massive club
Seems like half the posters here are judging Sanches based on the fact that Bayern are getting rid of him. Have actually seen the kid play multiple times and he looked like the real deal
I can hazard a guess that Bayern miscalculated & had to pay the top fee with add-on which they may see Sanches is not quick enough outgrow the fee. He needs time to develop but can't be afforded with Bayern's midfield. So in a sense, Bayern has to pay for a grown up Sanches at this rate anyways, but his growth rate at Bayern would mean they need another contract extension to get there which means for him to be at the level Bayern wants, they've already been paying Pogba's fee while harvesting less. So why not just buying Pogba instead of nurturing a guy who may not get there, who may down the road may not be so attached & leave anyways? Bayern can't afford avoiding the add-on fee, by not playing him at all = throwing the up front fee away. But to play him & pay addon fee, as I just put it above, they may not meet their objectives as well as paying a potential the money of a mainstay. Either way, it's a lose-lose situation.
While Renato Sanches may not reach Pogba level at the end of the road, he's plenty of good in certain situation now that Bayern as rumor stated is motivated to sell him at the right price. I am surprised that people here is so admired at Kante's style of play yet doesn't show same enthusiasm to Renato Sanches. Both are similar to Edgar Davids to some extend. Renato Sanches can still pretty catch up to Kante's level of pressing, aggressiveness defensively, and he's already shown that he has greater ceiling in attacking play. This type of player is not a complete midfielder but as specialist (high pressing, ball carrier), they're extremely useful. People are too traumatized by Ando that they liken this guy to him more seeing a bigger picture. Ando was SAF's failed experiment. He was very good ball carrier, but was lazy to be converted into a midfielder. The guy is terrible with his final ball to be utilized as pure attacker in position where we have Rooney as long term plan (second forward/ no10).
Beside Pogba, we lack penetration from central area, especial from transition phase between defense to attack. Pogba can't be playing all game, let alone playing well all the time while having other teams focusing on containing. Having someone who can carrying the ball well from central area beside Pogba would potentially help us alot.
At the rumor price Bayern want to rid, it's a good price for his potential. I am talking here from the point of my own assessment on his potential, not any red flag from being Bayern reject. Bailly after a promising season cost us 30 mil GBP. 35 mil Euro for a central midfielder is not too bad.
Your inclusion of Zlatan in that list pretty much confirma of irregularly it happens.
As is your claim that he is. So far he's played one season at a top level club and they are ditching him after 6 starts - if they can find someone to offer near to the huge fee they paid that is.
You spend 35mil on a player you are usually willing to give them opportunities to show their worth. The fact Bayern haven't says it all. He must've been seriously unimpressive during his time there. It doesn't suprise me, he didn't look that impressive when he played.
And what have you based that assessment on, because they disagree with you? Have a look at his thread when he moved to Bayern, you'll find plenty of us doubting his ability then based on his performances.
Do not want. Had arrogant stuff to say about 'luckily he chose the right thing to join Bayern over United' - and here he is getting ditched.
There was a large section of fans on the CAF that was against this transfer last season and I like most feel justified to be against the move. Three kid was easy to overhyped for the quality. I remember watching him from the December when we were linked to him I was disappointed.
The guy should have joined us in the first place. It was obvious he would struggle to get into bayerns midfield, he never stood a chance.
With our squad + injury issues he could have played 40+ games this year. Think his style would actually suit England better, could do a good job in our midfield.
With our squad + injury issues he could have played 40+ games this year. Think his style would actually suit England better, could do a good job in our midfield.
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