What are you talking about?
Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea
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What are you talking about?
His youtube reel from this season makes for some horrible viewing. If we are interested then a 1 year loan with option to buy at an already agreed price would probably be wise if it can be agreed.
I'd definitely take Costa though we need to be quick as I just saw a 'Costa wlecome to Liverpool' video on YouTube that was posted 3 days ago
I'd definitely take Costa though we need to be quick as I just saw a 'Costa wlecome to Liverpool' video on YouTube that was posted 3 days ago
whether it happens irregularly, or happens everyday of the week, including twice on Sunday, is besides the point. What matters is that players, even established great players like Zlatan, fail to settle and perform at a new club for various reasons, and it is silly to jump to the conclusion that the player was not be good enough must be the reason.
All I have said is that the kid has talent, and there is enough evidence and opinions to support this. If you think clubs like United and Bayern buy players simply on hype, then you have bigger issues than most can help with.
There is a big gap between having talent and actually maximizing said talent. All reports seems to indicate that the kid has (for whatever reason) failed to settle in Bavaria, which has likely affected his performances on the pitch. The reason for his being unsettled could be something like weather, which is beyond the control of Bayern, or it may be a difference between him and the manager. Thus Bayern may decide to move on and try to recoup their initial investment. This does not preclude the kid from going to another club or a place like la liga and excelling.
Again it is too early to tell, and only time will show what will be. Mourinho once sold a 22yr old Bonucci who he deemed not good enough at the time. Today, he is regarded as the best CB in the game by quite a few.
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Then again, one could argue that no current manager at top-level has off-loaded so many players who turned out to be really good.
Wont be surprised if LvG and Pep are not far behind
Great potential there but like so many young players including at Utd, maybe right club but st the wrong time. Not sure he'd benefit here either as I'm not sure he'd get enough football. We are in transition and we need some older heads that can manage that. He needs to be playing ever week....
We need to strengthen not sure Sanches does that in any possible way..
No it isn't besides the point at all, what a ridiculous thing to say. Something happening once in a blue moon doesn't set a precedent. There are plenty of instances where a player has beaten the odds, yes, but you don't adapt a transfer policy around it. Just because Vardy became a top striker in the PL doesn't mean teams like Leicester should start signing random non leaguers with the hope they'll turn in to the next Vardy, or we should start scouting five a side tournaments to pick up the next Ian Wright.
And to continually compare him to Ibrahimovic is preposterous. Wherever Ibra has been he has performed, and he certainly wasn't ditched after 6 starts because he wasn't good enough.
We never buy on hype? We've bought players without even scouting them properly, Fergie bought Bebe without even seeing him play! But we'll pretend that didn't happen right?
So he fails to settle in Munich because of the weather but would be fine in tropical Manchester? Makes sense. If the player is home sick, moving to another foreign country isn't going to solve anything. If Bayern aren't willing to give him more than 6 starts to settle, he probably isn't that big a talent now is he?
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Exactly, we are aspiring to be at Bayerns level once more, we don't get there by signing their flops.
Don't want him. He bombed us once for Bayern and hasn't had a good time there apparently.
Bayern thought they were getting one over us by signing him. They got it wrong, so I would be wary.
He's perfect for our vacant Anderson role. Let's get him.
Never saw why there was any fuss about this lad. To me, he just looked like a very raw player that may or may not turn out to be good. I was delighted when Bayern signed him over us.
I'm laughing at all those writing off a teenager. Im glad he didn't sign for us. In Germany he will be able to develop naturally with as little media pressure as possible. Just imagine the crap he'd have faced from our fans and the press if we had signed him for 30m and he was settling in slowly.....
Correct. Davids at Milan quickly springs to mind.....
No he doesnt, Ajax was the or one of the best clubs in the world and Davids already a key player there. He only springs to mind because he had a similar hairstyle. Edgar Davids was 10x more talented than Renato, Renato is all pace, strength, engine and bouncing off the field weird type of play. Nothing special about the lad.
talk of missing the point Davids moved to Milan from Ajax and fitted in exactly as well as Renato has at Bayern. By the prevailing logic on here Juve should never have bothered picking him up a year later.I wouldnt spend the cash on him straight away. Loan + a 30-40m option to buy him after the season would be nice. I am sure Bayern wouldnt be opposed to it if he flopped there. Not many clubs will be in for him for a straight buy offer, most will look for a loan. We could make it with a high enough buy option to sway the deal in our way.
According to Bild Bayern will sell him for 35m euro, and Costa for 40m euro.
Would be happy with both at those prices tbh. Good signings in two positions and would leave plenty of money for a striker, left back etc.
Would be happy with both at those prices tbh. Good signings in two positions and would leave plenty of money for a striker, left back etc.
I'd take Costa here but I'd be seriously wary about us signing Sanches.
Yeah, he was the bedrock upon which most of our success was built.
It's obviously not worked out for him at Bayern but the few times I saw him play for Benfica and Portugal he seemed to have amazing potential.
Completely different story. Bayern didn't "give up" on Hummels after "a year".
He was their academy product, so they'd known him longer than a year. He got loaned out to Dortmund since Bayern deemed Badstuber the bigger talent. Probably the correct call had Badstuber stayed healthy. Lucio and Demichelis were starters so there was no game time for a 4th CB who still needed development.
Selling Hummels was the right call back then.
how old is he? 33?
I can see that many fans are suspicious as Bayern is selling him after a year. It is due to them realising he is not what they wanted and paid for. That doesn't mean he is not a good prospect.
It may be due to various factors like he hasn't adapted well, Ancelotti not ready to give chance and have patience etc.
Most of all, there must be huge extra clauses to benfica added to the initial fee which will be triggered in next year if he stayed with Bayern like appearance clause etc which Bayern doesn't want to pay as they might have thought that he is not worth such huge fee.
If Jose/our scouts had good rating on him, then we should use this opportunity to get him on a cheap.
It may be due to various factors like he hasn't adapted well, Ancelotti not ready to give chance and have patience etc.
Most of all, there must be huge extra clauses to benfica added to the initial fee which will be triggered in next year if he stayed with Bayern like appearance clause etc which Bayern doesn't want to pay as they might have thought that he is not worth such huge fee.
If Jose/our scouts had good rating on him, then we should use this opportunity to get him on a cheap.
Are they not trying to get him a loan next year? we could offer them a Falcao type deal, 5mill for a seasons loan, here at United under what seems a far more Portuguese friendly setup. See what he's about, Mourinho spoke highly of him before, option to buy at the end of the season?
I take them both.
For 35M Euros, I think we should give him a second chance. He will be wiser now that he knows grass is not always greener and his career is at the brink, working with a Portuguese manager may help him. We should not accept a loan offer from Bayern though.
No, because Davids had already proven himself, Renato hasnt. He had played one full season and he wasnt even that good for Benfica and had a decent Euro's that is it.
Vieira and Henry too.
I'd be excited with this signing. It's true Bayern are smarter than us with transfers, but I want us thinking long-term and Sanches has the mobility and hunger you want from a midfielder, and he has a good range of passing and can dribble. If he can be taught the rest, I think he could be a fine midfielder even if his vision never gets particularly great. He'd cover ground well on the right in our counter-attacking setup and with Herrera behind him, we'd be well set up to cause turnovers in the midfield and hopefully thus launch attacks a bit easier.
No one should be writing off an 18/19 year old after a failed move as there are so many factors behind why some transfers simply don't work out. €35m is definitely worth a punt given his talent.
I definitely agree working under Jose could bring out the best in him too.
A loan might not be a bad idea if we had a guaranteed option to buy at the end of the loan though!
No it was not. Both Hummels and Lucio were sold in the same summer. Demichellis was sold the next summer. Badstuber spent his first season often playing as a LB. Bayern could have kept Hummels and given him enough playing time, but unfortunately, they had LvG in charge (and we all know how that goes).
Bayern made a mistake in not recognizing and developing Hummels talent. There ios noting to say they are not doing same in giving up on Sanches this early.
But he was good in his first season. At no point did he say he was the bedrock on which the team was built, don't be a knob.Yeah, he was the bedrock upon which most of our success was built.
Rubbish. Renato was excellent for Benfica and Portugal at the Euros and that is precisely what earned him his big move. Just like Davids when he went to Milan that was more than enough proving of oneself. Just because things haven't gone well doesn't mean he should be written off. His a teenager.
Is there some kind of Anderson cult? He was comparatively good by his later standards at best. Should have been moved on years before he left.
I feel much better about this now that the Chief is on board.
Of course he should have, but it's possible to harbour that that opinion without being a total revisionist or laughing at something a poster didn't say.
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