Didnt he openly admit to turning us down? Yeah im petty about things like that.
Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea
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I literally cant be bothered arguing with you.
Rubbish, please dont compare what Davids proved in all those years at Ajax with Renato, it's stupid and emberassing. Renato even got benched at a certaint point and multiple fans were really surprised by the interest. He wasnt excellent at all. Nobody of Portugal was excellent mind, most fluked win ever.
Good news, in future it might be wiser to read what was written before you take the piss. Toodles.
Renato and Davids in the same sentence? Stop it!
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Quit inventing your own arguments. There is a world of difference between saying Davids = Renato Sanches, and saying Davids was once in a similar situation. A.K.A. a young player who moved to a giant, failed to settle yet was immediately bought by another giant, who he became a legend with. I swear what I'm stating isn't hard to grasp. There are few things dumber than writting off a talented 19 year old
No it's stupid because Ajax was basically the biggest giant of them all, winning the CL with them and multiple titles. He was a key player for a world class side, Renato has ahd a decent first season and just cant be comparednto Davids. Not in talent, ability, potential and what they achieved prior to moving to their next respective clubs.
I wont write off an 19 year old, as I think our Willocks, McTominays can be as good as Viera and Pogba. They happen to be 19 you know.
It's such a flawed flawed comparison.
Actually he was responding to my post saying i didnt fancy sanches as he gave me the impression that he was an aderson mach 2 to which he responded that anderson had a great first season and was sporadically good afterwards suggesting that a player being like anderson wasnt a bad recommendation. I disagree with that assertion which is why i made my reply. There was no big deal until you swept in like batman and made a drama out of the whole thing. Do you spend all your time on the threads looking for an argument?
Davids was 23/24 when he moved to Milan and had already played over 100 times for Ajax...
If and it is for me big if, he is available and for 35-40 mil , we should close that deal today. In days where average players are going for 30 mil, he is a bargain. And exactly what we need.
So i still can't believe that bayern is selling him. If they are then he will end in juve or barca because we will chase some other targets.
So i still can't believe that bayern is selling him. If they are then he will end in juve or barca because we will chase some other targets.
Doesn't sound like you aren't arguing to me.
Only when people make things up, I feel an urge to point out their strawman bullshit. 'Sporadically good afterwards' = foundation of our team... since when? You do know we can see what you've written too, right?
Surely as an adult you've encountered irony before? So far youve called me a knob, a revisionist and a strawman. You're officially the most ignorant poster i've encountered on here.
I literaly watched every game Renato played last season. This is just false.
The point is he was a young star who flopped after his first big move. Yet he was still picked up without hesitation by another big team.
I have. I also understand what irony is, that my friend is not irony. I've not called you a strawman, I said your argument was. And I suppose we can add 'reneger' to that too now.
He was an established star at that point, Renato Sanches didn't even have a full season under his belt.
Established he may have been but his first move wasn't a success and that's where the parallels lie - you can't right off a player on the back of a bad move. He's 19 and moved out of Portugal for the first time. It's an adjustment that he's clearly struggled with.
It's also fairly obvious chief is not comparing the two players ability wise - he's comparing the situations of both players while illustrating it's completely ridiculous to right off a 19 year old on back of his first move.
But, in this instance, ability does matter.
If it was just a case of struggling to settle then surely Bayern wouldn't cast him out after just 6 starts? There were plenty of questions about his ability prior to his move, the same couldnt be said about Davids.
I just think this is more a case that the player hasn't settled.
This is one of those where you need to know all about his character. He's raw, he's not what he was hyped up to be, but ultimately he's still 2 years younger than Harrop and a year younger than McTominay. If his mentality is right then he'd be a smart investment.
I'd agree with this - he's looked decent whenever I have seen him play. No point comparing him to any players, especially greats like Davids, because he's a different type of player with no real pedigree apart from promise.
From what I have seen, he is very mobile, decent physically and has a good passing range. Would he complement Pogba/Herrera though?
Selling him immediately after one season at his age would be rather short-sighted, imo. A loan to a second tier club would be welcome, though. Just let him play regularly for a season.
I think it could form a good midfield 3 as long as we take into account Renato is only 19 so it will take a good 3-4 years before we see any kind of consistency. I think he definitely has talent but we would need to be patient.
He was also pretty poor for Milan in his time there then moved to Juventus and the rest is history. I dont think Sanches is a similar player to Davids in anything but energy. Dont think he is anywhere near the same class....but I do think he is a massive talent who is being wrongly slated for a poor season rather than overhyped with what preceeded it. I would love him to come to us personally.
All 3 of them? I jest. What intrigues me more than anything is that Jose rates him and if he can be the right mentor for him then we'd be looking at quite a powerful and dynamic midfield for almost the next decade. If he's going on the cheap, I hope we're all over it.
I would love him to come too, because I think the Portuguese environment could help him flourish, but he's not the defensive midfielder we most urgently need.
You think he'd rather go on loan to a second tier club than just move to a proper one? I mean, he was top dog at Benfica and played in the European final and won. Can't see him be willing to do that just to maybe make it at Bayern.
A year or two loan plus option to buy for Sanches would be ideal, a'la what Bayern did with Coman. Should be able to decrease the transfer fee that way, plus being able to see if Sanches is a good fir for the squad.
Renato Sanches would be a risk worth taking. I'd be more excited with Naby Keita, but who knows, maybe Sanches will turn out as good.
Do we need to strengthen cm? I'm happy with a midfield of Herrera and Pogba frankly. What we need is depth which Sanches would add
I would have him here for sure.
Agreed
I am a bit confused reading that Bayern is willing to sell for 30-40 mil. I thought they agreed a deal with Benfica with add ons up to 80 mil.
Surely, the new club that bought Sanches will also need to pay up to 80 mill. Otherwise, Benfica wouldn't agree to sell Sanches for only 30-40 mil in the first place.
Unless, Bayern willing to make up the losses for up to approximately 40-50 mil (which i highly doubt) then we should take a punt on Sanches and not at 80 mil.
Surely, the new club that bought Sanches will also need to pay up to 80 mill. Otherwise, Benfica wouldn't agree to sell Sanches for only 30-40 mil in the first place.
Unless, Bayern willing to make up the losses for up to approximately 40-50 mil (which i highly doubt) then we should take a punt on Sanches and not at 80 mil.
I'd take him on loan for a season, he'd be great backup for Pogba and a good rotation option for Herrera. Would I buy him for something like 35m? No.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal.
As long as the fee at the end was reasonable, sure. 35m or anything in that region seems like a lot for someone who would be playing second fiddle to the likes of Pogba, Herrera and whomever our new DM ends up being.
Given that he's only 19 and has his entire career ahead of him, we won't be getting him at some sort of bargain rate. He's a top player who will be a star (imo), so the sooner he gets here the better.
Don't need him now one bit, In 3-4 years angel gomes will be better than him .
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