Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea

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If it was cut price I'd take him for sure. He's very raw but has a lot of good attributes and last season he more then held his own against Arturo Vidal in the CL.

It's funny though, at the Euro's the English commentators were hyping him up so much when he wasn't particularly remarkable because they were so desperate to rub it in how United got snubbed.
 
Ramshock said:
i disagree that he lacks the ability to be a top 4 player. If you think he isnt top 4 quality but Lallana and Dier are then I dunno what to tell you.
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Bit of a strawman there, that's not what I said is it? Would you spend 40mil to bring Lallana to the club to play back up to Pogba? I didn't think so.
 
Wallez said:
I think that is an absurd opinion, can you please tell us why you are 100% sure that he never will be world class? He is one of the best players in the world in his age group, and has every chance of becoming one of the best players in the world. At the age of 19 he has been a key part of a title winning Benfica squad that made it to the quarter final in Champions League, and featured in 6 of 7 games as he won the Euros with Portugal. He has even showed abilities that made a sensible club like Bayern München potentially break their transfer record in order to get their hands on him. Very, very few players have done that much at the age of 19. He has achieved far more than the likes of Pogba, Suarez, Bale, Aguero and Griezmann had at his age. You can't seriously mean that one bad season in a new country with limited game time and problems adapting to the new culture and language is enough to transform one of the biggest talents in the world of football into a hopeless player that will never become world class.

Just look at Mbappe who has been absolutely on fire this season, and is on everyones lips. Give him a season at Real Madrid where he hardly plays and has problem adapting, and you will see how fragile a player is at that age. But the fact that you are not performing week in week out at that age, does certainly not mean that you have lost all you abilities as a footballer over night.
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I have made no mention of the season he just had, neither have I said he was hopeless. He lacks the technical ability to become world class. If you watch him it shows up when he is under pressure and having to use quick footwork to get out of trouble. His head looks down and he loses the ability to see what his options are. Right now he is able to use his physical attributes to get by but as players get to know him, especially at the very top level he will get caught out when having to think and act quickly while under pressure. His first touch when being pressed hard breaks down.
This doesnt mean I think he is a bad player, I think he is a very good player but he isnt world class and wont ever be world class. Hope Im wrong. World class is a very high standard to be claiming he will become. Over 50 years of playing, coaching and watching football has given me a reasonable amount of experience to have a rough idea if a player is going to be world class special or not. Of course I get things wrong as well.
Put it this way, when Cristiano Ronaldo made his debut for Utd I knew and said back then i thought he was going to be a superstar, it was all there to see. Renato isnt even close to Ronaldo in terms of technique and ability when he was 18-19.

You are over hyping a young player who is no doubt talented and is going to be a really good player over time but world class? I cant see it.
 
This kid really does split opinion quite sharply. I don't see it neither. He looks just another average talent.
 
Stack said:
I have made no mention of the season he just had, neither have I said he was hopeless. He lacks the technical ability to become world class. If you watch him it shows up when he is under pressure and having to use quick footwork to get out of trouble. His head looks down and he loses the ability to see what his options are. Right now he is able to use his physical attributes to get by but as players get to know him, especially at the very top level he will get caught out when having to think and act quickly while under pressure. His first touch when being pressed hard breaks down.
This doesnt mean I think he is a bad player, I think he is a very good player but he isnt world class and wont ever be world class. Hope Im wrong. World class is a very high standard to be claiming he will become. Over 50 years of playing, coaching and watching football has given me a reasonable amount of experience to have a rough idea if a player is going to be world class special or not. Of course I get things wrong as well.
Put it this way, when Cristiano Ronaldo made his debut for Utd I knew and said back then i thought he was going to be a superstar, it was all there to see. Renato isnt even close to Ronaldo in terms of technique and ability when he was 18-19.

You are over hyping a young player who is no doubt talented and is going to be a really good player over time but world class? I cant see it.
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Haha, I think we actually agree quite a lot about Renato Sanches. I am not saying that he is definitely going to be world class, I am saying that I think it is wrong to leave him no chance at becoming one. You are saying that he is a good player, but that he has weaknesses in his technical abilities that will make it difficult for him to become world class. I think we see the same player with a lot of positive sides but also a lot of rough edges, and we disagree whether these problems can be fixed or not. This also depends on how we define world class. If the top 100 footballers in the world are world class, we probably agree that he could become one of them. If only the top 10 players are world class, I would agree that the chance of him becoming one of them are low. Paying 80 million euros for him (like Bayern potentially did) is obviously stupid, but if we can get him for 30 million pounds, I think he is worth the risk. I think Mourinho will love to work with a player that has as much raw material as Sanches.
 
Lawman said:
He's nothing like Pogba??
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he is very much like Paul in that likes to dribble and shoot a lot more than a typical midfielder would. Come to think of it, he is probably a bit more athletic compared to Paul. But lacks the same vision and passes. Name me one attribute of his that Pogba doesn't have and that makes him stand out from other young potential midfielders
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
he is very much like Paul in that likes to dribble and shoot a lot more than a typical midfielder would. Come to think of it, he is probably a bit more athletic compared to Paul. But lacks the same vision and passes. Name me one attribute of his that Pogba doesn't have and that makes him stand out from other young potential midfielders
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he completely and utterly lacks Pogbas ability on the ball, his dribbling is nowhere near as controlled or as fluid as Pogbas and he is very one footed, Pogba can pass, shoot and also dribble with either foot. He is nothing like Pogba.
 
Stack said:
he completely and utterly lacks Pogbas ability on the ball, his dribbling is nowhere near as controlled or as fluid as Pogbas and he is very one footed, Pogba can pass, shoot and also dribble with either foot. He is nothing like Pogba.
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Of course, I did not mean to compare their respective qualities. Paul is way ahead of a wee tyke of yesterday. But their mentalities to affect the match higher up the pitch and play in a box to box manner is very similar. Don't know how Jose will allow a positionally wayward player like Sanches to play side by side with Paul who will do his best work upfield
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
Of course, I did not mean to compare their respective qualities. Paul is way ahead of a wee tyke of yesterday. But their mentalities to affect the match higher up the pitch and play in a box to box manner is very similar. Don't know how Jose will allow a positionally wayward player like Sanches to play side by side with Paul who will do his best work upfield
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I think if he came to us Jose would tighten up his positional discipline pretty quickly, think he would improve under Jose
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
he is very much like Paul in that likes to dribble and shoot a lot more than a typical midfielder would. Come to think of it, he is probably a bit more athletic compared to Paul. But lacks the same vision and passes. Name me one attribute of his that Pogba doesn't have and that makes him stand out from other young potential midfielders
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He has a great engine and is very good at getting on the ball to make things happen. Pogba is more languid in comparison.
 
I watched a lot of him last year and having watched Pogba come through then watching this kid I would say the real difference is that Renato has much more in game intelligence.

Haven't seen much of his season at Bayern, one or two games but even now his reading of a game still impresses me. He realises where the danger is to the team and he often fills in. He doesn't force a game like Pogba, actually I probably wouldn't even really say they are similar Renato can travel with a ball but it's nothing like Pogba. Renato is more controlled in everything he does. I'm trying to think of a better comparison but I'm coming up blank. He could certainly do an impression of Pogba but that's really not his game he's maybe more similar to this reincarnation of Herrera just not as tenacious.
 
I don't think I've seen a single game of him that gives me hope that he could become a player good enough for a top team. I didn't understand the praise during the Euros. Haven't seen anything but a few of his CL games for Benfica, so maybe it was different in those few months in Portugal, but I doubt his potential.

I'm usually not someone who writes off young players quickly, but in his case, I wouldn't care at all if he was sold this summer. If we can get back close to what we paid, he should go somewhere where he's happy and gets playing time. Staying in Munich is an awful idea for both him and the club in my opinion.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I watched a lot of him last year and having watched Pogba come through then watching this kid I would say the real difference is that Renato has much more in game intelligence.

Haven't seen much of his season at Bayern, one or two games but even now his reading of a game still impresses me. He realises where the danger is to the team and he often fills in. He doesn't force a game like Pogba, actually I probably wouldn't even really say they are similar Renato can travel with a ball but it's nothing like Pogba. Renato is more controlled in everything he does. I'm trying to think of a better comparison but I'm coming up blank. He could certainly do an impression of Pogba but that's really not his game he's maybe more similar to this reincarnation of Herrera just not as tenacious.
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Good points. He is all about energy, good positioning and awareness. The way people are going on about technique, head down etc its like every central midfiedler should be Xavi. SOme of the things people are criticising a teenage player for would also mean Bryan Robson, Roy Keane and Paul Ince were poor midfielders....actually there is a bit of the early Ince at West Ham about him.

Anyway 30-40m for a teenage talent when we paid near 30m for Fellaini..............
 
Maybe Vidal as a type of midfielder is a better comparison than Pogba
 
Emdad Ahmed said:
he is very much like Paul in that likes to dribble and shoot a lot more than a typical midfielder would. Come to think of it, he is probably a bit more athletic compared to Paul. But lacks the same vision and passes. Name me one attribute of his that Pogba doesn't have and that makes him stand out from other young potential midfielders
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It's more Pogba has far much more ability than him. Can he shoot like Pogba? Has he got Pogba's strength, brain, composure in fact thinking about it your statement is just wrong.
 
We don't have time to be dealing with this raw meat, we have enough uncooked players of our own without dropping £30M on another who is a Jack of all trades master of none. Most outlets say he's unhappy in Munich and homesick, his best bet would be to go on loan to a Spanish club.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
I watched a lot of him last year and having watched Pogba come through then watching this kid I would say the real difference is that Renato has much more in game intelligence.

Haven't seen much of his season at Bayern, one or two games but even now his reading of a game still impresses me. He realises where the danger is to the team and he often fills in. He doesn't force a game like Pogba, actually I probably wouldn't even really say they are similar Renato can travel with a ball but it's nothing like Pogba. Renato is more controlled in everything he does. I'm trying to think of a better comparison but I'm coming up blank. He could certainly do an impression of Pogba but that's really not his game he's maybe more similar to this reincarnation of Herrera just not as tenacious.
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The main difference is Pogba has far more talent than he.
 
Sanchez is a huge talent. I don't understand all the criticisms. It's like watching Martial only this season and writing him off.

Anyone who watched him at Benfica and at the Euros will not debate the kid's potential. No wonder Jose wants him.
 
GM K said:
Sanchez is a huge talent. I don't understand all the criticisms. It's like watching Martial only this season and writing him off.

Anyone who watched him at Benfica and at the Euros will not debate the kid's potential. No wonder Jose wants him.
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Except plenty do, that have watched him a lot
 
Devil may care said:
We don't have time to be dealing with this raw meat, we have enough uncooked players of our own without dropping £30M on another who is a Jack of all trades master of none. Most outlets say he's unhappy in Munich and homesick, his best bet would be to go on loan to a Spanish club.
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Well seemingly Real are also in for him so maybe Spain would be a good place for him
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Well seemingly Real are also in for him so maybe Spain would be a good place for him
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I just have to say you have the best SN on the Caf! :lol: I can't see why Real would want him, they have Kovacic and they have that lad Llorente to come back off loan as well as their core midfield 3.
 
DevilRed said:
Didnt alonzo and lahm just retire too?

Clearly going to be more minutes for him next season. He is a bloody teenager. Not even messi commanded regular minutes as a teen. No big club would do well relying on one either.
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Mate, I'm agreeing with you. Bayern don't strike me as being that fickle either.
 
Would absoloutely love if we signed him for like 30mil or so. Love him as a player would be our backup Herrera+Pogba hybrid :drool::drool:
 
jesperjaap said:
Good points. He is all about energy, good positioning and awareness. The way people are going on about technique, head down etc its like every central midfiedler should be Xavi. SOme of the things people are criticising a teenage player for would also mean Bryan Robson, Roy Keane and Paul Ince were poor midfielders....actually there is a bit of the early Ince at West Ham about him.

Anyway 30-40m for a teenage talent when we paid near 30m for Fellaini..............
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Robson, Keane and Ince were all technically better than Sanchez. Dont know what you are watching if you think otherwise. Also the point some of us are making is not that he is a poor player, he isnt, he is a really good player. The point is he isnt going to become world class like some are claiming. He is being horribly overhyped by some in here.
 
khoazany said:
I've watched him since youth level and never really convinced. A monster but Pereira is easily the more naturally talented footballer.
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He is more talented and already better than Pereira. I dont mind a little bias for our club players, but some you guys take it too far.

Sanches at just 18 was a starter on both a league title winning Benfica and euros champion. He was so good that people doubted his age.

United offered £30m for Sanches and Bayern paid £28m but Bayern over paid?

The kid has talent and just needs a good environment and necessary playing time to realize it.
 
Stack said:
Robson, Keane and Ince were all technically better than Sanchez. Dont know what you are watching if you think otherwise. Also the point some of us are making is not that he is a poor player, he isnt, he is a really good player. The point is he isnt going to become world class like some are claiming. He is being horribly overhyped by some in here.
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See I don't actually agree with this or your earlier post. I saw him come through Benfica and the thing I've always admired about him is his intelligence for one so young. He understands the game more than most youngsters. I often value intelligence over just sheer ability and the kid does have both. What is it you don't like in his technique?
 
cheeky_backheel said:
He is more talented and already better than Pereira. I dont mind a little bias for our club players, but some you guys take it too far.

Sanches at just 18 was a starter on both a league title winning Benfica and euros champion. He was so good that people doubted his age.

United offered £30m for Sanches and Bayern paid £28m but Bayern over paid?

The kid has talent and just needs a good environment and necessary playing time to realize it.
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That fee is excluding numerous add-ons, but if those add-ons will get activated it will be because he'd be world class.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
See I don't actually agree with this or your earlier post. I saw him come through Benfica and the thing I've always admired about him is his intelligence for one so young. He understands the game more than most youngsters. I often value intelligence over just sheer ability and the kid does have both. What is it you don't like in his technique?
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Under pressure when having to act quickly it falls apart. Thats where the difference between the worlds best players and the really good players kicks in. Also the likes of Robson and Keane were 2 footed players, Robson especially. I use that because another poster was using them as a measuring stick and inferring he was technically better than they were. In tight situations he looks down at the ball which is important because awareness is impeded. Im not saying he is bad with it, Im not saying he is technically poor, I am saying that he wont get to be world class as some are claiming when he has these flaws. At the moment his physical attributes, his strength, determination and pace are covering for the close, tight pressure situations that those on here thinking he will be world class arent seeing.
 
Stack said:
Under pressure when having to act quickly it falls apart. Thats where the difference between the worlds best players and the really good players kicks in. Also the likes of Robson and Keane were 2 footed players, Robson especially. I use that because another poster was using them as a measuring stick and inferring he was technically better than they were. In tight situations he looks down at the ball which is important because awareness is impeded. Im not saying he is bad with it, Im not saying he is technically poor, I am saying that he wont get to be world class as some are claiming when he has these flaws. At the moment his physical attributes, his strength, determination and pace are covering for the close, tight pressure situations that those on here thinking he will be world class arent seeing.
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Well I don't agree with he falls apart under pressure, his head is often up looking for what comes next hence why when reicievingnthe ball he often loses that marker with just a swivel of the hips. He can play off of either foot, pass, shoot so on so we've obviously scene different games. He's not as expansive a passer as say a Pogba as Renato is more measured in his game but he is still capable of pulling off sublime passes.

Will he be at Ronaldo or Messi level the no, but who is. Also he's a midfielder so you have to hold him to a different standard and I would wager he'll be one of those underrated midfielders that isn't heralded as much but is every bit the class article. He in the right team with the right circumstances I think would go on to become one of the worlds very best. I don't think United or Jose is the team for him tho. I'd actually think a move to Monaco to partner Tielmans with Mbappe still there would be a very intresting partnership.
 
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