Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea

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talk of a loan deal sounds interesting. see if he can hack it in the PL
Prefer loan deal.

Mourinho want him last year, and if he can't hack it, back you go. Will for sure provide that energy and bite plus number of options to our midfield, and who knows Mourinho might groom him at the CDM role.

Doubt it'll happen though, I think Ancelotti is just being realistic after probably seeing Renato not that motivate in training sessions.
 
No thanks, not what we need. Time to make a step back and get regular playing time, which isnt at United. He could need years to be ready, at the moment he would be a bench option, whIch are Pereira and Fellaini. We need someone more defensive and still good on the ball
 
Loan with an option to buy (at a normal price). Very little risk for us and at 19, he is likely to improve significantly over the next few years, especially with the Portuguese staff here.
 
On the one hand, I'm skeptical because it seems he didn't settle outside of Portugal. On the other hand, if we can get a loan deal, what's to lose? Cut our losses if he doesn't show anything at the end of the season. Might be Mourinho and co can bring out the best in him. Could be a good addition because Fabinho looks a pipe dream, Dier isn't exactly world class, and I don't think we'll get Matic.

Best scenario would be Matic + Sanches (one year loan, option to buy, etc).
 
No thanks, not what we need. Time to make a step back and get regular playing time, which isnt at United. He could need years to be ready, at the moment he would be a bench option, whIch are Pereira and Fellaini. We need someone more defensive and still good on the ball

At the rate we are going City will have signed all the players in the world while we've been busily rejecting all of them.
 
I think they have been burnt but are trying to hide it and get as much money back as they can.

If you sign world class potential you give it time. You don't contemplate selling it a season after signing and you definitely don't loan to a team like Milan or United where playing time is limited.

If they rated him they'd have sent him to hoffenheim or similar at the start of the window.
They signed Kingsley Coman recently in a similar sounding deal. Did Juventus not rate Coman? Or does a player sometimes want to leave for one reason or the other (maybe promises were broken, doesn't like living in München etc). In a situation where you've got an unhappy player that wasn't involved a lot with the first team, why not loan him out?

That's a bad deal if Milan were to take it. Infact if Bayern got their way with that deal, they'd more than likely make a profit on him for those figures.
Milan are buying everything they can. They don't care about money these days, only care about being good again.
 
I think they have been burnt but are trying to hide it and get as much money back as they can.

If you sign world class potential you give it time. You don't contemplate selling it a season after signing and you definitely don't loan to a team like Milan or United where playing time is limited.

If they rated him they'd have sent him to hoffenheim or similar at the start of the window.

You're conflating what makes sense to you with the the practical reality of what actually happens at clubs. Its unlikely that Bayern are going to develop a 19 year old Portuguese kid with no connection to the club when they have the likes of Thiago, Vidal, Kimmch, Javi Martinez, and now James Rodriguez to cater to. In this sort of siituation it makes sense to shop the player around for a loan or a loan with an option to buy. @Snow mentioned Coman as a successful example of what we can do with Sanches.

As for the bolded bit, you can also look to Thierry Henry's move from Juve to Arsenal in 99.

From his wiki page....

"......Unsettled in Italy, Henry transferred from Juventus on 3 August 1999 to Arsenal for an estimated fee of £11 million, reuniting with his former manager Arsène Wenger. It was at Arsenal that Henry made his name as a world-class footballer..."
 
I think they have been burnt but are trying to hide it and get as much money back as they can.

If you sign world class potential you give it time. You don't contemplate selling it a season after signing and you definitely don't loan to a team like Milan or United where playing time is limited.

If they rated him they'd have sent him to hoffenheim or similar at the start of the window.
Agreed! They've realized the longer he stays with them and doesn't play the less they'll be able to recoup.
You're conflating what makes sense to you with the the practical reality of what actually happens at clubs. Its unlikely that Bayern are going to develop a 19 year old Portuguese kid with no connection to the club when they have the likes of Thiago, Vidal, Kimmch, Javi Martinez, and now James Rodriguez to cater to. In this sort of siituation it makes sense to shop the player around for a loan or a loan with an option to buy. @Snow mentioned Coman as a successful example of what we can do with Sanches.

As for the bolded bit, you can also look to Thierry Henry's move from Juve to Arsenal in 99.

From his wiki page....

"......Unsettled in Italy, Henry transferred from Juventus on 3 August 1999 to Arsenal for an estimated fee of £11 million, reuniting with his former manager Arsène Wenger. It was at Arsenal that Henry made his name as a world-class footballer..."
Its true that he doesn't have any affiliation to the club but neither did any of the players you mentioned except for Kimmich and yet they were all given time. Bayern knew Renato was a long term project due to his lack of first team experience. I can see the comparison to Henry, in the sense that he's a flop at Bayern and they want to get their money back while he has some value. Loan w/ option to buy would be the safest choice for United and who knows maybe under Jose he'll come good.
 
You're conflating what makes sense to you with the the practical reality of what actually happens at clubs. Its unlikely that Bayern are going to develop a 19 year old Portuguese kid with no connection to the club when they have the likes of Thiago, Vidal, Kimmch, Javi Martinez, and now James Rodriguez to cater to. In this sort of siituation it makes sense to shop the player around for a loan or a loan with an option to buy. @Snow mentioned Coman as a successful example of what we can do with Sanches.

As for the bolded bit, you can also look to Thierry Henry's move from Juve to Arsenal in 99.

From his wiki page....

"......Unsettled in Italy, Henry transferred from Juventus on 3 August 1999 to Arsenal for an estimated fee of £11 million, reuniting with his former manager Arsène Wenger. It was at Arsenal that Henry made his name as a world-class footballer..."

Henry and Coman are fair points.

It just strikes me that they speak of him needing game time (so give it to him at a smaller club) but subtle hint that he's also for sale.
 
This brat snubbed us whilst he is bloody average himself, really do not want. This club is an absolute joke if they take him on loan, and especially without an option to buy.
That's how I feel. We weren't good enough for him, but now some want us to rescue his career. Why are we scrabbling about for players? That's what I want to know. Where is all this money we supposedly have?
 
This brat snubbed us whilst he is bloody average himself, really do not want. This club is an absolute joke if they take him on loan, and especially without an option to buy.

That's how I feel. We weren't good enough for him, but now some want us to rescue his career. Why are we scrabbling about for players? That's what I want to know. Where is all this money we supposedly have?
Can't blame the kid for choosing Bayern over us. Most players would have.
 
That's how I feel. We weren't good enough for him, but now some want us to rescue his career. Why are we scrabbling about for players? That's what I want to know. Where is all this money we supposedly have?
I still say Ed doesn't know what he's doing re transfers. I know people will point to some big transfers recently but I honestly think they were down to Raiola sorting those moves and all Ed had to do was say "yes please" and write the required cheques.
 
This brat snubbed us whilst he is bloody average himself, really do not want. This club is an absolute joke if they take him on loan, and especially without an option to buy.

That's how I feel. We weren't good enough for him, but now some want us to rescue his career. Why are we scrabbling about for players? That's what I want to know. Where is all this money we supposedly have?
He's a young teenager who may have made the wrong decision. If Jose Mourinho still thinks he has the potential to be a Seedorf or Davids level player, like people were hyping him up last year, we would be stupid to pass on him.

Now, he could end up being Anderson 2.0 but maybe Jose can reach him and lead him on to a successful career. I'm pretty indifferent on this transfer saga. If it happens, I'll be excited we got a kid as highly hyped as he was a year ago and Jose believes in him. If we don't, then its a gamble not taken. Sometimes taking these young kids who struggle to make it at big clubs works out like Henry, or more recently Coutinho at Inter, other times, it's just one stop towards being a mid-tier player like Bojan and Ballotelli.
 
I still say Ed doesn't know what he's doing re transfers. I know people will point to some big transfers recently but I honestly think they were down to Raiola sorting those moves and all Ed had to do was say "yes please" and write the required cheques.

That's Woodward's job. He's not supposed to be masterminding the make-up of the squad and drawing up lists of players to buy. His job is to approach agents and owners and negotiate.
 
He's a young teenager who may have made the wrong decision. If Jose Mourinho still thinks he has the potential to be a Seedorf or Davids level player, like people were hyping him up last year, we would be stupid to pass on him.

Now, he could end up being Anderson 2.0 but maybe Jose can reach him and lead him on to a successful career. I'm pretty indifferent on this transfer saga. If it happens, I'll be excited we got a kid as highly hyped as he was a year ago and Jose believes in him. If we don't, then its a gamble not taken. Sometimes taking these young kids who struggle to make it at big clubs works out like Henry, or more recently Coutinho at Inter, other times, it's just one stop towards being a mid-tier player like Bojan and Ballotelli.
Think that sentiment is quite fair too.

Coutinho aged 17 was almost a Neymar level talent, when he still had that "afro". Inter were absolutely stupid for not getting the max out of him.

Sanches seems quite average to me personally. He has high energy, good physique and can carry a ball (by bumping off players and the ground) but other than that dont like him personally.
 
Can't blame the kid for choosing Bayern over us. Most players would have.
Maybe not, but this is am important year for us and not the time to be trying experiments. We need quality and experience. Not let's just see if this kid is any good. Unless we are going to be a Sevilla, who get into the CL then drop into the EL continuously. After the BFS waste of time I am not wanting to help Bayern out particularly.
 
That's Woodward's job. He's not supposed to be masterminding the make-up of the squad and drawing up lists of players to buy. His job is to approach agents and owners and negotiate.
I'm not saying that. Jose has drawn up the list of players, Ed seems to be struggling to deliver them in a timely way. Pre season is nearly over and the team is not in much better shape than it was last season.
 
I'm not saying that. Jose has drawn up the list of players, Ed seems to be struggling to deliver them in a timely way. Pre season is nearly over and the team is not in much better shape than it was last season.

But surely part of his job is also being responsible with money that isn't his. If the manager has genuinely given Perisic and Matic as his primary targets, then Ed needs to try and deliver them, but not at any cost.
 
He's a young teenager who may have made the wrong decision. If Jose Mourinho still thinks he has the potential to be a Seedorf or Davids level player, like people were hyping him up last year, we would be stupid to pass on him.

Now, he could end up being Anderson 2.0 but maybe Jose can reach him and lead him on to a successful career. I'm pretty indifferent on this transfer saga. If it happens, I'll be excited we got a kid as highly hyped as he was a year ago and Jose believes in him. If we don't, then its a gamble not taken. Sometimes taking these young kids who struggle to make it at big clubs works out like Henry, or more recently Coutinho at Inter, other times, it's just one stop towards being a mid-tier player like Bojan and Ballotelli.
I would not be averse to having him as long as they also sign a Carrick replacement. If they are going to do it on the cheap by getting this lad I will not be happy. Not while City and Chelsea are strengthening with quality. Conte supposedly wants four more players and might just get them.
 
If he comes cheap, I wouldn't mind a punt. Looks like we are interested, as Ancelotti's said so openly. Or maybe Bayern are trying to elicit an interest from us.

Sanches-Pereira-Fellaini midfield for the cups should give Pogba and Herrera the rest they need. Carrick should be used sparingly too. He also looks like Predator, so that's another plus.

More legs in midfield is welcome.
 
Would take him - a better bench option than Fellaini, at least, and he has some potential (although there is a big question on whenever he is going to fulfill it).
Ideally we'd sign a DM (let's say Matic), and we'll have, which is a great option since we're playing in CL and in the light of possible injuries.
Pogba (Pereira) - Herrera (Sanches)
--------------Matic (Carrick)
 
Talented player who offers something different in a position where we're a bit short. Saves us money for other areas and gives depth. A loan (with a view to buy) would be an absolute no-brainer.
 
I still say Ed doesn't know what he's doing re transfers. I know people will point to some big transfers recently but I honestly think they were down to Raiola sorting those moves and all Ed had to do was say "yes please" and write the required cheques.

Couldn't agree more.

Seems to me he can only move quickly when Raiola is involved - our squad, at this point, looks weaker than last season.

He needs to pull his finger out pronto - there is a clear path for Sanches, Perisic & Matic - if we have to pay extra so be it, Everton are on the verge of buying someone from Swansea for £50mil ffs.
 
That's a bad deal if Milan were to take it. Infact if Bayern got their way with that deal, they'd more than likely make a profit on him for those figures.

I disagree. AC Milan would be able to analyse his talent, his attitude and whether he can be developed into a top player. If he can't then he would probably be sent back and AC Milan would lose a paltry of 7m euros. Having said that, if he does develop into a top talent then 45m is a reasonable fee for a Pogba like player.
 
Not the right player or right time for us. What really worries me about our transfer policy is that most fans could be more creative in identifying realistic targets that would improve us, what on earth are the scouting team doing? We are effectively chasing players (not sanches) that their clubs would be selling at the perfect time and for a premium (matic,perisic). Whatever further business we do, if any does not look like it will be good business for us.
 
I disagree. AC Milan would be able to analyse his talent, his attitude and whether he can be developed into a top player. If he can't then he would probably be sent back and AC Milan would lose a paltry of 7m euros. Having said that, if he does develop into a top talent then 45m is a reasonable fee for a Pogba like player.
Pretty sure it would add up to 59m in the end. I'm also assuming this is Euro's. But, I'd absolutely make that gamble. 14m to get a guy who was this highly regarded only a year ago with an option to buy at 45m if he works out sounds fine. We are talking about a marketplace where we just saw two full-backs go for close to 50 pounds million each and good mid-table players are being quoted at 45m pounds.

Getting Sanches for a total fee of about 53 million pounds if he works out is fine, unless the marketplace implodes which at that point we can re-negoiate. I'd think 12.5m pounds is worth getting a two year peak at Sanches.
 
Not the right player or right time for us. What really worries me about our transfer policy is that most fans could be more creative in identifying realistic targets that would improve us, what on earth are the scouting team doing?
Actually watching players play, rather than rating them on the basis of video games, I would imagine.
 
If having done so the only players they can suggest are Matic, perisic and dier, then you have to fear the worst.
It's a good thing that we have no idea who they have recommended, then, isn't it? Unless you choose to believe what the media report. The same media that links us to 100 players a year.
 
It's a good thing that we have no idea who they have recommended, then, isn't it? Unless you choose to believe what the media report. The same media that links us to 100 players a year.
Of the 100 they're only concrete links we have had, would be shocked if we signed anyone else.
 
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