Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea

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lococol said:
But could the manager get him playing like a £50m player for the season? That is always the question worth asking. What type of midfielder is he? CDM? AM? I cant find it online. Also, don't forget that Ibra was let go by PSG as he wasn't needed anymore and that went alright for us.
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He played in a 2 man midfield for Benfica in a 4231 formation, I would say he plays very similar to Ramires at Chelsea.

His passing is often simple and short, prefers to run and use his athleticism to carry the ball. He often will push forward and give overlapping runs down the channels, but doing this often obviously leaves you a bit short if they intercept.

He has good stamina and strength, built very stocky like Tevez. His first touch though is quite inconsistent and heavy, and his preference to keep the ball and try to dribble the opponent can often lead to him losing the ball in dangerous areas. He made a similar error against Arsenal in their recent friendly which led to Arsenal's goal.

He does have a decent strong shot and has that bit of magic to unlock a decent pass here and there, but I feel he needs too long on the ball at present to do that at the highest level. Slow in the brain a bit like Memphis.
 
Watched him loads before going to Bayern. Hard to know where this lads ceiling is going to be but to get him on loan with the option to buy is a no brainier. That said, still doesn't solve our DM issue cause he's not that in my opinion and is more Anderson like.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He played in a 2 man midfield for Benfica in a 4231 formation, I would say he plays very similar to Ramires at Chelsea.

His passing is often simple and short, prefers to run and use his athleticism to carry the ball. He often will push forward and give overlapping runs down the channels, but doing this often obviously leaves you a bit short if they intercept.

He has good stamina and strength, built very stocky like Tevez. His first touch though is quite inconsistent and heavy, and his preference to keep the ball and try to dribble the opponent can often lead to him losing the ball in dangerous areas. He made a similar error against Arsenal in their recent friendly which led to Arsenal's goal.

He does have a decent strong shot and has that bit of magic to unlock a decent pass here and there, but I feel he needs too long on the ball at present to do that at the highest level. Slow in the brain a bit like Memphis.
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Anderson mk2?
 
sun_tzu said:
Anderson mk2?
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Very similar, not just because of their looks either.

Young Anderson was great though, in games where it's more open and stretched Sanches will excel. I think once it becomes more tactical that's when he suffers. Playing for Bayern and Benfica is completely different.
 
cyberman said:
One year doesnt define a career yet his fans are basing his talents off of 5 months of Portugeese football and a handful of international games?
That doesn't add up
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Good point, however go back 20 years and you could write exactly the same thing about Edgar Davids after his first season at AC Milan after leaving Ajax. Not comparing them as players, as Davids is one of the best central midfielders I have ever seen, was a shame to see him in the premiership so far past his best.

I do think Sanches is talented, people talking about his first touch and technique being atrocious when he has his whole career ahead of him and we have Fellaini as a regular starter.....now that doesnt make sense to me? I dont know if because he is so highly rated everybody thinks he should be Pirlo, Scholes, Xavi or Iniesta but he isnt that kind of player at all. He has a lot to learn and improve on for sure, has his plaudits and career moved perhaps to fast, definately.....but he is barely past the age of youth football and already does a lot of work very intelligently, I really dont see how people would see the loan option especially a gamble. Look at Fabinho as another example, was a much smaller profile player but he moved to Real, barely got a chance and got shipped off to Monaco quickly, just a couple of years later people are raving about him.....and to me he looks a very average central midfielder, much prefer him at right back myself.

i can understand people saying about being overhyped as we see it so often with players who havent achieved anything and havent performed for any period of time...Sanches has already achieved already, whether he can progress to a consitently high level of performance over more than barely a season or fades down to an average player time will tell. Do I think he can become a world star of a player...no, but I do think he can become a very good and important player, certainly as good as most of the central midfielders we already have and the others we are getting linked with
 
Why not take him on a 2 year loan spell without an option to buy him? We would just offer to cover his wages. Either he really helps us out or shit hits the fan and we could easily part ways. No risk at all.

After all, if he likes it here and only wants to come here, Bayern would have to come to the negotiation table, otherwise it would be bad for business. If he flops, Bayern can't sell him for much. At the end, a good negotiation means that both parties leave the table slightly unhappy, which would be the case here, IMO.

Morever nothing lasts forever and changing some positions in the squad every few years isn't too bad, helps to dissolve deadlocked patterns, IMO. A similar case to Tevez could be made and i for one enjoyed his time here.
 
Judas said:
Why on earth would we want him without an option to buy? We're not Sunderland, why should we improve a player for another team.
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Because we dont want him, not under these conditions and i doubt we are even interested for buying him now
 
PedroMendez said:
That's just utter nonsense. Carlo doesn't rate/use him but he is hardly great at developing talents. Now his confidence is shot and he struggles to adapt in a foreign country. He was never close to showing his best during the last year. I am not the biggest fan of very athletic/physical youngsters (especially in midfield) because often that doesn't translate well into professional football. You can bully other kids but you can't just bully grown men.
Still sanches is clearly more than just a tank. He knows how to play football but is just very very raw. His physical attributes make him look like a grown up but he has still to iron-out some basic mistakes. He needs to play now and he won't do that in Manchester. Still any team that can afford to develop him might have a gem.
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They should loan him to a smaller team
 
Sun reporter has been reading this thread and has linked Renato to a loan deal with United. So predictable.
 
From that bullshit article - 'Other names being mentioned are Radja Nainggolan and Arturo Vidal.'

Mentioned where? In the pub?
 
Have just read this and find it incredibly hard to believe. For starters, why, in the name of God, would we bring a 19 year old in on loan - without the option to buy!? Who are we - Newcastle?

Don't get me wrong; I'm an avid admirer of the potential talent - how could you not be. 10 minutes with a YouTube montage and you're sold on him being a future captain. All jokes aside though, why bring this chap to the club when we've TFM ready and waiting. It is literally the same exercise as bringing another young lad in. Only difference here is that TFM has had years to bed into the squad and has already developed many a rapport in the dressing room.

Such a silly link.
 
Trigg said:
They didn't. But there's no way they drop 35 million on hearsay. They obviously rate him and I trust those more than you.
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And what do I need your trust for? I suspect they've now realized that he's obviously not good enough, otherwise, they won't spend another 40m on Tolisso. So far, Sanches has shown absolutely NOTHING to justify all the ridiculous hype and he's definitely not what we need at this point. It's as simple as that.
 
legball said:
And what do I need your trust for? I suspect they've now realized that he's obviously not good enough, otherwise, they won't spend another 40m on Tolisso. So far, Sanches has shown absolutely NOTHING to justify all the ridiculous hype and he's definitely not what we need at this point. It's as simple as that.
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His performances for Benfica showed exactly how talented he is and its seemingly not worked out in Germany for him which is fine. That happens.

It's as simple as that.
 
Trigg said:
His performances for Benfica showed exactly how talented he is and its seemingly not worked out in Germany for him which is fine. That happens.

It's as simple as that.
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That's half a season of football, not surprised it hasn't worked out for him, he clearly believed his own hype and left way too early.
 
legball said:
That's half a season of football, not surprised it hasn't worked out for him, he clearly believed his own hype and left way too early.
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He might well have left Benfica too early, that doesn't make him rubbish. He's still a talented young footballer.

But ok, we've done this death.
 
Trigg said:
He might well have left Benfica too early, that doesn't make him rubbish. He's still a talented young footballer.

But ok, we've done this death.
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His performances were massively blown out of proportion at Benfica and for Portugal. He's at a point where his period of playing poorly is longer than his period playing well.
 
barros said:
They should loan him to a smaller team
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Yep. The management should make sure that he joins a club where he is comfortable. That's the most important thing. Going back to Portugal for a season might be better than struggling to integrate into a smaller German team. Another wasted year would hurt his career.
Oh, and he should get German/English lessons.
 
ivaldo said:
His performances were massively blown out of proportion at Benfica and for Portugal. He's at a point where his period of playing poorly is longer than his period playing well.
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That's bit misleading if you realize just how few minutes Renato got for us last seaon. He basically never played. And he wasn't playing poorly everytime he did get to play, sometimes it was ok. His overall gametime of playing poorly last season maybe amounts to 2-3 whole games last season, and he played ok, or decent, for the same amount.
It's not impressive, but then also not a death sentence for a 19 year old who had changed clubs and leagues. Now, in the preseason games, he played not bad either. Add to that that every single touch of his is now under microscope..

He will be a great midfielder in a few years, he just needs to play and I'm afraid it probably won't happen for us under Ancelotti.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
That's bit misleading if you realize just how few minutes Sanches got for us last seaon. He basically never played. And he wasn't playing poorly everytime he did get to play, sometimes it was ok. His overall gametime of playing poorly last season maybe amounts to 2-3 whole games last season, and he played ok, or decent, for the same amount.
It's not impressive, but then also not a death sentence for a 19 year old who had changed clubs and leagues. Now, in the preseason games, he played not bad either. Add to that that every single touch of his is now under microscope..

He will be a great midfielder in a few years, he just needs to play and I'm afraid it probably won't happen for us under Ancelotti.
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The point is, you're basing your opinion in him becoming a top talent on half a season of football. He's had a season at a top club where he's been very poor and now Bayern - who aren't known for ditching youngsters - want to get rid. That's pretty damning, is it not?
 
ivaldo said:
The point is, you're basing your opinion in him becoming a top talent on half a season of football. He's had a season at a top club where he's been very poor and now Bayern - who aren't known for ditching youngsters - want to get rid. That's pretty damning, is it not?
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We are known for ditching youngsters though. Or to put it less negative, we don't let youngsters rot on the bench or in the stands if they don't get gametime, we loan them out, or sell them if they don't have perspective to get sufficient game time for us soon.

It's not 'damning', because the bar to get a starting place, or a heavy rotation place, at a club like Bayern is really really high. The better the first team performs, the harder it gets for succeeding youngsters to get a meaningful spot.
The 'youngsters' we integrated in the last decade, i.e. Alaba, Müller etc, got in because there was a hole in the team where they fit. Maybe you don't remember (I do) - 10 years ago we were kind of shit, compared to now. 2010, progressing over Man Utd was still a huge underdog upset lol.
There was/is no hole in our midfield where Renato fits so that he can get a string of games starting. For Renato to get sufficient game time, he would have needed to be heads and shoulders above Vidal.. that sounds a bit unrealistic, doesn't it?

And then you have Ancelotti who, as a tendency, prefers older players and it becomes very hard for a youngster to get game time. Kimmich struggled for game time. Coman struggled for game time.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
We are known for ditching youngsters though. Or to put it less negative, we don't let youngsters rot on the bench or in the stands if they don't get gametime, we loan them out, or sell them if they don't have perspective to get sufficient game time for us soon.

It's not 'damning', because the bar to get a starting place, or a heavy rotation place, at a club like Bayern is really really high. The better the first team performs, the harder it gets for succeeding youngsters to get a meaningful spot.
The 'youngsters' we integrated in the last decade, i.e. Alaba, Müller etc, got in because there was a hole in the team where they fit. Maybe you don't remember (I do) - 10 years ago we were kind of shit, compared to now. 2010, progressing over Man Utd was still a huge underdog upset lol.
There was/is no hole in our midfield where Renato fits so that he can get a string of games starting. For Renato to get sufficient game time, he would have needed to be heads and shoulders above Vidal.. that sounds a bit unrealistic, doesn't it?

And then you have Ancelotti who, as a tendency, prefers older players and it becomes very hard for a youngster to get game time. Kimmich struggled for game time. Coman struggled for game time.
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It is when the club commits to potentially €8mil on the player. The damning part isn't the lack of game time alone, it's the decision to seel him after just a dozen starts for the club. Name me another youngster who had been moved on in similar circumstances.

The likes of Coman and Kimmich have been given time to develop and prove themselves, Sanches has not and there has to be a reason for that. If he was going to be 'a great midfielder in a few years' then why is the club looking to ditch him after one season and not treating him similarly to the aforementioned youngsters?
 
This guy made a massive error joining Bayern in the first place.

It was clear his path to the first team was always going to be blocked, he should have remained patient and had another season at benfica.
 
ivaldo said:
It is when the club commits to potentially €8mil on the player. The damning part isn't the lack of game time alone, it's the decision to seel him after just a dozen starts for the club. Name me another youngster who had been moved on in similar circumstances.

The likes of Coman and Kimmich have been given time to develop and prove themselves, Sanches has not and there has to be a reason for that. If he was going to be 'a great midfielder in a few years' then why is the club looking to ditch him after one season and not treating him similarly to the aforementioned youngsters?
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If anything, it's more damning on our decision to buy him for shitloads of money and bring him in rightaway without being ready to offer him enough gametime.
 
The shit that LVG got for passing on him...

The lad needs to go somewhere he's guaranteed playing time. Should go to a 'smaller' club with no pressure and expectations to see if he can get his confidence back imho.
 
dutchred said:
Is he better or has more potential than Pereira. I don't think so. Id rather go for a more experienced midfielder. What happens if either Anders or Paul gets a long term injury?
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I think they are about the same in terms of potential. If Ander or Paul get injury, we will still have Carrick, Fellaini, Pereira and one of Fosu/Tuzanbe as backup. I believe experience is a non factor when compared to talent. If we want experience we can go for Nainggolan, Matic, or Fabinho. But, those players may not be a better investment when comparing the potential of Sanches or other promising midfielder.
 
AC Milan was interested in getting him on a 2 year loan at 7m euros per year and with a minimum fee clause of around 45m
 
That doesn't sound like a good deal for the acquiring club.
 
You can take the comments above and substitute the subject with Martial and the clubs with Monaco and United.
 
I have never really understood the hype around Sanches. Is it based off what people have actually seen or just football manager?

I can't claim to have watched him often. When I have he's seemed a bit like a young, less good Ando.
 
Wouldn't solve our problem of needing a defensive midfielder due to Carrick almost certainly entering his final season unless Jose is planning on signing a left back and playing Blind as the midfield anchor which for me is where Blind is best anyway as he's far too good on the ball and positionally to not be playing centrally.

Sanches from what I've seen of him is currently like a younger yet not as good version of Herrera is now for us and we don't need someone to replace Herrera seeing as we've got Fellaini, Pereira, Fosu-Mensah and when played there Tuanzebe so I'd rather we didn't waste money on players we don't need and concentrate on a defensive midfielder, a winger and a left back.
 
I'd be happy to take Sanches on a loan - but it would have to be with a fixed option for a future transfer.
 
There is 0% chance of this deal happening;
1. As someone stated before, we are in the market for a defensive midfielder, his defensive stats are non existent.
2. Purchasing him would hinder Perreira who is a HG talent, and after being given the #15 shirt looks like he'll be involved in our squad, especially after his performances.
3. Ancelotti stated they are looking for a 40m+ transfer, which is double his price, that is ludicrous.
 
Ravelation said:
There is 0% chance of this deal happening;
1. As someone stated before, we are in the market for a defensive midfielder, his defensive stats are non existent.
2. Purchasing him would hinder Perreira who is a HG talent, and after being given the #15 shirt looks like he'll be involved in our squad, especially after his performances.
3. Ancelotti stated they are looking for a 40m+ transfer, which is double his price, that is ludicrous.
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Pereira performing is key. The guy is immensely talented and we need to start giving our own players an opportunity to perform. I've got no boubt at all that Pereira will be an important player for us. We also have Fosu Mensah in the team and buyinng Sanches would stifle his progress as well. We don't need a midfielder whose young. We need someone like Matic who has the experience and for Pereira to learn from. The only young player i would consider buying is Ousmane Dembele and that's about it.
 
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