Don't see any point in loaning a young player to help develop them for another club.
Renato Sanches | Loaned to Swansea
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Seems to me that the club have given up on him but still want their cake and eat it. Simply put, they would not be open to selling him if they thought he was the real deal. Will be interesting to see if anyone goes in for him.
I don't think a move here would be good for him. He needs game time. Should he come to United as a talented but unproven 19yo then, unless he shows some prodigious out-of-this-world talent that he's not shown before, he would be behind Pogba, Herrera, Carrick, Fellaini and (I'd like to think) Pereira.
Unless we we have an injury crisis, he'll get some early stage cup games and maybe a handful of league appearances. Not really enough to warrant the move. He'll get more games at Bayern now that Lahm and Xabi Alonso have retired. In fact, it'd be better for the kid to go back to Portugal where he'd be a starter most likely.
Good alternative to Naby Keita if he is not attainable. It seems Jose is planning what I proposed if we sign Sanches. Which is a midfield three of
Herrera
Sanches - Pogba
Whilst against lesser opposition, we can play with two in Herrera and Pogba. However, I am only for this move if we are able to buy at the end of his term with us. No point in developing a player and not having the choice to keep him.Sanches - Pogba
Is he better or has more potential than Pereira. I don't think so. Id rather go for a more experienced midfielder. What happens if either Anders or Paul gets a long term injury?
Loan with OPTION to buy. It's no lose situation for us. Hope it happens
I hope we steer clear of him.
Would be ideal... can't see bayern agreeing though... it's loose loose for them
A loan + buy is never the best solution, ideally one of them, but a lot of clubs still do it. Bayern may be to smart to agree to it, but who knows. A loan alone is not an option for us
It'd be a tight tight deal for us though.
Well, it's not like we'd *need* him, we're pretty stacked CM-wise, and Goretzka will most probably join us next season on top of it. However, it's not like we would need the money, so there's little reason for the club to go discount with him.
With very little reason for us to agree on it. Besides you're Utd, you're not doing loan+buy shenenigans, you just pay top dollar. So, yeah I'd welcome Woody coming in, I'm sure Kalle would make him a proper offer
Probably is a loose loose for them but that seems to be the deal that the media are throwing about with ac Milan.
It's a no brainer for me, get him. Otherwise secure a loan with option to buy deal. Would definitely be the safer option. This kid is really talented and could potentially be one of the best midfielders in the world. Get him in
He showed nothing last season to suggest this. If he were good enough, he'd have played more often.
Bayern Munich are a business, and they know they made a huge error with sanches and overpaid. They will try and recuperate that money but the reality is his true value is less than half of what Bayern paid. Turns out he's just not that good.
Have we even been properly linked?
No, nor will we be. Bayern is a club that WOULD give young talent a chance especially when they paid so much, they didn't play him often and any manager with some common sense will know it's because his ability levels just aren't that high.
He should move to a mid-level prem team. Something like West Ham or Everton.
Could work for him.
Could work for him.
Thiago,Vidal,Tolliso,Martinez, Rudy and then Kimmich who also seemed displeased with his playing time. That's some midfield for a young guy to try and force appearances out of. He said he went there to learn from the best which isn't a bad suggestion but feel like he was really poorly advised on going there.
Have to say in the few games I did see him turn out you can see he belongs. Takes passes on quickly, can dribble and is positionally aware. However he has all this talent but he just looked out of sync with Bayern. Needs to tidy up his all round game. Calm down the passes he attempts to take on right now.
Bayern said they would prefer to loan him out as he needs games. I would take him for us as I just think another CM would be handy for the squad if something happens to Pogba or Herrera. I'd already say his in game intelligence is better than Fellaini's however this would have to be a loan to buy as a simple loan is no good for us on such a young player.
Have to say in the few games I did see him turn out you can see he belongs. Takes passes on quickly, can dribble and is positionally aware. However he has all this talent but he just looked out of sync with Bayern. Needs to tidy up his all round game. Calm down the passes he attempts to take on right now.
Bayern said they would prefer to loan him out as he needs games. I would take him for us as I just think another CM would be handy for the squad if something happens to Pogba or Herrera. I'd already say his in game intelligence is better than Fellaini's however this would have to be a loan to buy as a simple loan is no good for us on such a young player.
We have been linked with him. Also have you ever watched him play?
Have to disagree, either settling problems or ANcelotti doesnt fancy him but Bayerns biggest transfer so far is a central midfielder, there big young German signing so far is a central midfielder and they have also loaned an attacking central midfielder with the option to buy. Lahm and ALonso are two big losses but those signings added to Thiago, Vidal and Kimmich who I think will replace Lahm in midfield plus they have Martinez....why would you think he would get more games there than here?
Just like Scholes we cant rely on Carrick forever, this will surely be his last season. Looking at the rest of our midfield playing devils advocate in a harsh way we have a positional workhorse with no ability whsoever on the ball in Fellaini, a player I have always liked and thought should have got more games but in all honesty is himself getting overhyped by our fans after three consistent good months in Herrera, a mostrous talent who hopefully steps up consistently this year in Pogba, a really good talent who I hope proves himself in Perreira and then players like Mensah who havent even been played in midfield.
You talk about Perreira who has just had a good loan move at a small club, yet Sanches who has a league medal, euro championship medal, young player of the tournament award, champions league experience and unsuccessful season at one of the worlds biggest clubs in unproven at 19, there are not many players woth those achievements at that age....he is younger or the same age than pretty much all the young players at our club in the first team. We need a central midfielder in my opinion, whether is is Sanches or not is a matter of opinion but lets not get carried away about our current midfield set up, we hardly need an injury crisis for him to fight for a place at all.
He will not. Ancelotti already told that he plans with a central/defensive midfield with 2 - that is Vidal, Thiago, Rudy and Tolisso for the 2 spots - in addition to it as a more defensive variation Martinez. All of them are in their best ages or out of talent stage. No need to rest them too much and there will be a big fight there anyways. This 4 probably would work in any variation, too.
Sanches right now is really down with his self confidence. He would not just need minutes - but needs to play full time to get back where he was when he left Benfica.
He does not speak much English.
It is not just the pitch. That young one just left home too early. That he did not get playing time was for sure not helpful either. But he does not look that happy young kid anymore how you could watch him a year ago at Benfica and the Euros.
If Bayern only wants to give him out to loan I only see two good possibilities - a year at Hoffenheim or Freiburg with very young teams and coaches that are great in taking care and improving young players - there he might be able to find mates for him and the cities are much smaller than Munich. But there he could atleast improve the language skills, too. Or loan him back to Benfica where he is in his usual surroundings - and with the task to visit German classes. Most important - he would get playing time. Midfielders need that to learn - if they cannot get that in midfield they should atleast get it in a wing position.
19yrs old. Won golden boy award a year ago. Won young player of the euros and picked up a winner's medal at the euros. Clearly not that good though.... it's unbelievable that some people can make such a clean cut decision on a 19 year old. As for bayern he has plenty ahead of him and that might affect his development. If he was to move he might just develop into the player he looked like he would last summer. I hope he does for whatever club he is at.
I wouldn't mind getting him on loan with an option to purchase at the end. He could do well filling in for and rotating with Pogba and/or Herrera. He just needs to calm the "headless chicken" mentality. He's very good at driving a team forward with the ball at his feet, if he can really focus on developing his ball-winning and passing, he could come to resemble a 2010-era Schweinsteiger.
Of course, I'm not one to comment on things ignorantly. I thought he looked excellent at the euros, and then poor every game I watched him with Bayern. We have TSN in Canada that shows German league games every week so when Bayern were on I would watch and when he got on I wasn't impressed.
Only makes sense if it's a 2 year loan. He's not going to be playing that often to make it worth while.
Keep him away from United. He's one of the most overrated youngsters I have ever come across in my entire life.
His technique as a footballer is absolutely atrocious for an actual professional footballer.
Think of Anderson, but Anderson actually had attributes unlike Sanches. Bayern made a huge error and now they are trying to flog him off anywhere
His technique as a footballer is absolutely atrocious for an actual professional footballer.
Think of Anderson, but Anderson actually had attributes unlike Sanches. Bayern made a huge error and now they are trying to flog him off anywhere
That would not make sense either.
The kid is only 19. He'd be a great loan with an option to buy here.
Had I asked nearly any football fan after Portugal's run in Euro 2016 what they thought of Renato Sanches I guarantee you that everyone would have said he is a hugely talented kid who could be up there with the best midfielders in the world at one point in his career. 35 million had the potential to be a bargain (and still does) as he is young and could still go on to be Bayern's next great midfielder. If they overpaid then we REALLY overpaid for Martial considering Sanches is younger and arguably more talented.
There's a reason United and Bayern were after him. Sure, he didn't have a great year, but one year doesn't determine a player's career, especially when he is so young. Ronaldo didn't exactly light up the league in his first year, neither did a lot of great players. Give the boy a chance. If Bayern won't, lets do it ourselves. Besides, on a loan with option to buy deal, what do we really have to lose?
One year doesnt define a career yet his fans are basing his talents off of 5 months of Portugeese football and a handful of international games?
That doesn't add up
That doesn't add up
Squad harmony. He plays a position where we jusy recalled a player who went on loan and did well enough to earn his shot (pereira)
A very talented player who would provide much needed backup to Pogba and Herrera becomes available on loan and you want to pass that up to because of one player's happiness?!? Let the two fight for places in the first team. They would both still get loads of games anyway
If I was Bayern, I'd loan him to a Bundesliga team (ideally Hoffenheim) for a couple of years see how he develops and bring him back when Nagelsmann replaces Carlo.
Sadly, it seems that Carlo wants to ship him to AC Milan to play in Serie A, which is a graveyard of young talents.
As a United fan, he'd represent a big gamble - surely his talent counts for something , but the fact that Bayern are willing to give up quickly after a year, means more. Yeah they're posturing a bit (selling him outright would have bad repercussions for new talent going into that club), and they're talking loan, but privately I'm sure they want to get rid. If they can get an offer to break even or even take a small loss, they'd bite your hand.
Sadly, it seems that Carlo wants to ship him to AC Milan to play in Serie A, which is a graveyard of young talents.
As a United fan, he'd represent a big gamble - surely his talent counts for something , but the fact that Bayern are willing to give up quickly after a year, means more. Yeah they're posturing a bit (selling him outright would have bad repercussions for new talent going into that club), and they're talking loan, but privately I'm sure they want to get rid. If they can get an offer to break even or even take a small loss, they'd bite your hand.
How did you come up with that conclusion? Have you seen much footage of him?
Bayern is just like us they don't need money from selling and definitely don't sell talented youngster. The fact that they've given up say something.
I wouldn't mind him but for reasonable price. ₤42m is ridiculous for a reject, even in this inflated market.
Bought for 30, barely utilized. Now his price gone up after a year? Yea feck logic.
I wouldn't mind him but for reasonable price. ₤42m is ridiculous for a reject, even in this inflated market.
Bought for 30, barely utilized. Now his price gone up after a year? Yea feck logic.
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Bayern losing millions on a player they've had one season is unthinkable to their board members, they have to try and save face. The truth is he's a 10m player at best
But could the manager get him playing like a £50m player for the season? That is always the question worth asking. What type of midfielder is he? CDM? AM? I cant find it online. Also, don't forget that Ibra was let go by PSG as he wasn't needed anymore and that went alright for us.
That's just utter nonsense. Carlo doesn't rate/use him but he is hardly great at developing talents. Now his confidence is shot and he struggles to adapt in a foreign country. He was never close to showing his best during the last year. I am not the biggest fan of very athletic/physical youngsters (especially in midfield) because often that doesn't translate well into professional football. You can bully other kids but you can't just bully grown men.
Still sanches is clearly more than just a tank. He knows how to play football but is just very very raw. His physical attributes make him look like a grown up but he has still to iron-out some basic mistakes. He needs to play now and he won't do that in Manchester. Still any team that can afford to develop him might have a gem.
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I did'nt see much of him last season obviously but on the rare occasion he did play for either club or country, he looked like a totally different player to the one in 2015/16, his first touch was poor, decision making rubbish and the only reason he flew around making tackles was because he lost the ball a lot.
He needs to play in a team that can afford to let him regain his confidence regardless of his performes and that won't be us.
He needs to play in a team that can afford to let him regain his confidence regardless of his performes and that won't be us.
The thing to remember here, is that not everyone sees talent in a player. There are players we've let slip through our fingers or pass us by who turned out to be class. There are players sold by every team who turn out to be great. Also, players are not always sold because of their skill. Sometimes it just doesn't work out, they don't fit in, etc. Mourinho liked this guy last year and IF we're interested now, it's because our manager sees something in him. I look at a player like Martial for a good example of this. I don't think for a second that the player we see now is who he is. He doesn't seem to fit in, he has some confidence issues clearly and might never work out for us based on what we're seeing now. I guarantee you, if we sell him, he'll tear it up at his next club though!
I remember when we were linked with Renato, I really liked the idea because he reminded me of Pogba. Obviously we ended up signing Pogba anyway, but honestly, I'm not sure Pogba himself would really fit in at Bayern either. His class and maturity would probably get him through and he's certainly as good as/better than all their midfielders, but he probably wouldn't fit as well as they do at Bayern, or he does here.
I remember when we were linked with Renato, I really liked the idea because he reminded me of Pogba. Obviously we ended up signing Pogba anyway, but honestly, I'm not sure Pogba himself would really fit in at Bayern either. His class and maturity would probably get him through and he's certainly as good as/better than all their midfielders, but he probably wouldn't fit as well as they do at Bayern, or he does here.
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