Why ironically?
Religion, what's the point?
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why the title change?
Mainly because Sharia law has a name for treating women like shit, ut things were actually worse beforehand.
That being said, I don't condone sharia.
Just because something was progressive a millennium and a half ago doesn't make it progressive today.
Of course not. I'm pointing out that Religion (at least these religions) have been out dated and don't coincide with today's values.
Okay..most of that is due to how sharia law is interpreted though.
Does it displease you?
Also, how was an expletive in a thread title allowed for so long?
Bollocks can't be considered an expletive, can it?
Not in the context it was used I suppose, but still a little bit unsavoury nonetheless?
shakes head and sighs
You're the boss Remi.
I am not. But the thread title was not conducive to a good discussion. It put religious folk on the back foot from the off, and like it or not could be quite offensive to religious folk. The discussion can be had as hard and fast as we like in the thread but the title is for all to see. Is that not fair?
So feck anyone offended? Or just change the title?
I've never really understood the problem with offending someone in fairness, but I see you're point.
Yeah, you know me and my fondness for insult and offence, but I think scattergun offence is a bit unfair. I like to focus my ire.
Flogging
Slavery
Wife beating
Forced amputation
Criminality of homosexuality, punishable by death
Illegality of pre marital sex
Punishment of rape victims
I can't interpret that as anything else but barbaric.
Must use gell or something.
In Dan Brown Woman were worshipped as the holy creators.
Lads. The most amazing thing ever just happened to me. I was out in the forests in Wicklow, just reflecting on my life. Wondering why things weren't working out, and I said to the sky ''God if you're out there, show yourself to me. Tell me how to live. Show me the way.''
Suddenly there was an almighty flash of light, and a voice emerged from the clouds telling me to ''Follow the light.'' Now, this was tough because suddenly the sun started to shine and shot lines of light in all directions. So I used my faith and followed one of them until I found a pigeon laying on the ground with a ruffled feather. I picked up the pigeon and said ''Lord, is this what we have to follow, the way of the bird? The way of freedom?
Then the voice said ''Live your life as if you were a pigeon, ye all should live like birds. All other ways of life are abhorrent and should be smited with all of your bird like strength.
I then realized that the answer was so clear. He didn't mean be like pigeons. He meant to try and actually be pigeons. So, my friends. Even though this all happened miles away from anybody else, it's categorical evidence that this is the way.
We need to fly from the holy mountain. Tickets cost 1000 euro. If ye truly believe, then God will spare you like he did to the pigeons. I not ye shall fall like a stone.
Suddenly there was an almighty flash of light, and a voice emerged from the clouds telling me to ''Follow the light.'' Now, this was tough because suddenly the sun started to shine and shot lines of light in all directions. So I used my faith and followed one of them until I found a pigeon laying on the ground with a ruffled feather. I picked up the pigeon and said ''Lord, is this what we have to follow, the way of the bird? The way of freedom?
Then the voice said ''Live your life as if you were a pigeon, ye all should live like birds. All other ways of life are abhorrent and should be smited with all of your bird like strength.
I then realized that the answer was so clear. He didn't mean be like pigeons. He meant to try and actually be pigeons. So, my friends. Even though this all happened miles away from anybody else, it's categorical evidence that this is the way.
We need to fly from the holy mountain. Tickets cost 1000 euro. If ye truly believe, then God will spare you like he did to the pigeons. I not ye shall fall like a stone.
Shut up jake.
Post of the thread right here.
Calm down Moseybear.
Has anyone mentioned Jedi's yet?
Enlighten me about wife beating please. First time hearing that.
Islam doesnt encourage slavery? Infacts its the opposite. It encourages muslims to free slaves.
Forced amputation, the punishment for theft is that your left hand is cut off but not if you are stealing for food. I think thats fair.
Rape victims should be punished?
No idea why punishing them is seen as being barbaric.And dont think there is a lot wrong with pre-marital sex being forbidden.
Rape victims should be punished?
I hope you've got terrible confused here....
Enlighten me about wife beating please. First time hearing that.
Islam doesnt encourage slavery? Infacts its the opposite. It encourages muslims to free slaves.
Forced amputation, the punishment for theft is that your left hand is cut off but not if you are stealing for food. I think thats fair.
Rape victims should be punished?
And dont think there is a lot wrong with pre-marital sex being forbidden.
You surely are on terrible terrible windup aren't you?
So if I were born in Saudi, it is fair that:
1. My arm is chopped off for pickpocketing
2. My wife gets gang-raped and then awarded 50 whip lashes
3. I am not allowed to shag chicks before marriage. Are you a virgin btw?
Surely.
Whoa. Has to be confusion/misunderstanding.
Although if anyone has seen Lawrence Wright's 'My Trip to Al-Qaeda' it may not be so shocking how some Islamic persons truly believe in their faith...
---The latter is illustrated wrenchingly in anecdotes about a tragic fire at a girls’ school (the students were not properly dressed, so they were allowed to burn alive) and how he watched helplessly as a woman reckless enough to expose her face in public was chased down the street by a member of the religious police. (Mr. Wright adds the macabre detail that many of these enforcers of Islam’s strict moral codes are ex-convicts who memorized the Koran in prison.)---
http://theater2.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/theater/reviews/06trip.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Although if anyone has seen Lawrence Wright's 'My Trip to Al-Qaeda' it may not be so shocking how some Islamic persons truly believe in their faith...
---The latter is illustrated wrenchingly in anecdotes about a tragic fire at a girls’ school (the students were not properly dressed, so they were allowed to burn alive) and how he watched helplessly as a woman reckless enough to expose her face in public was chased down the street by a member of the religious police. (Mr. Wright adds the macabre detail that many of these enforcers of Islam’s strict moral codes are ex-convicts who memorized the Koran in prison.)---
http://theater2.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/theater/reviews/06trip.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Enlighten me about wife beating please. First time hearing that.
Islam doesnt encourage slavery? Infacts its the opposite. It encourages muslims to free slaves.
Forced amputation, the punishment for theft is that your left hand is cut off but not if you are stealing for food. I think thats fair.
Rape victims should be punished?
And dont think there is a lot wrong with pre-marital sex being forbidden.
Assuming the rape victims part is an error, hopefully!, thinking that having your left hand cut off for theft is fair is still mind boggling.
My bad. Read it late and didn't comprehend it properly. Thought it was rapists nit rape victims. Hence my confusion. I dont think Islam punishes rape victims.
and the left hand being chopped off is clearly a deterent against theft. If everyone knew that punishment would be implimented hardly anyone would take the risk of stealing just for the thrills.
and the left hand being chopped off is clearly a deterent against theft. If everyone knew that punishment would be implimented hardly anyone would take the risk of stealing just for the thrills.
1. If you steal for food i.e. To survive your hand wont be chopped under Islamic law.
2. That was a mistake, thought it was rapists not rape victims.
3.I am and it is
What happens if you never meet the right person and so don't marry. Does that mean no sex, ever?
You are allowed to divorce the person you marry if they are not right. Its not like its eternal where you can only marry once and are stuck with that person. Plus look at how many teenagers believe that the person they are with is the ONE, I doubt there is any who spend their whole life waiting for the right person.
No I mean, what if you never get married. Presumably if you can't have sex before marriage that leaves you somewhat frustrated.
Well thats why Islam encourages you to get married as soon as you start getting the urges and feel you cant control it anymore. Being unmarried is considered bad in Islam as it goes against the teachings of our Prophet.
1. Only for greed AND you get caught red-handed AND there are at least two 'respectable witnesses. The chances of all of this happening is very low. Stealing food does not apply.
2. The woman gets the lashes if it is PROVED that she lied about getting raped.
3. Sex before marriage is not allowed in many religions including Christianity, Judaism and most others. There is nothing wrong with this. If you dont agree, dont follow said religion. It's that simple, and having that rule does not cause harm to people that are not religious.
Why is that? What does the prophet say about not getting married?
The second quote also shows the importance of family in Islam so have no idea where the wife beating claims came from.
The usual reason, a different part of the texts says its ok to beat and scourge women under certain circumstances.
Anyways, have you personally ever considered why it's bad not to marry. I mean putting aside what the Prophet says, have you ever questioned why it's bad not to marry and instead just share your life with the one you love.
Can you link that text to me please?
Personally I think marriage gives women a bit more security as they were treated appallingly before the introduction of Islam and still are in most third world countires. I know in the western world women are a lot more independent but thats not the case in the east. The marriage contract entitles the women to a portion of the husbands income and gives her rights which he must respect which might not be the case otherwise.
And if you do love someone, whats the difference? Its the same thing whether you sign a piece of paper or not.