Television RedCafe's Favourite TV Shows Of All Time Contest (THE RESULTS)

Should I watch Sopranos? Keep in mind that I find pretty much anything that has to do with Italian-American mafia men to be dull, uncool and unsexy. Including Scorsese's stuff (sorry @Sweet Square ). I'd also have to watch it alone. I tried to watch 1 or 2 episodes with the missus a few years back and she hated it. I wasn't very invested either but I reckon it gets better once the story gets going.
It is unlike some or actually most mafia shows/films in that it has nearly no elements of glorification in it. Therefore it doesn't portray the mob as this all powerful phenomenon that can't be fought (as it once was), but portrays it as a way of life slowly fading and dying. Revealing its own values as mere self protective claims. The mob is in crisis. It possesses no sex appeal or charme at all. And while the mob is in crisis, so is America. People are insecure of their place in the new world. They are in constant fear in the aftermath of 9/11. To them, the mob has mostly stopped being a relevant form of danger and has become a source of entertainment. An escape from reality, even though it is reality itself. They are voyeuristic and cheering for its survival.
Right in this climate we meet Tony fecking Soprano. Charme, anger, humour and depression crammed into a single person. A force of nature incapable of healing itself. Like the mob itself a wounded animal fighting for survival.
We are confronted with immense guilt and the many people who have become guilty. We see the lines blur between victim and perpetrator. We fall in love with complicated people. Often for the wrong reasons. We hate others. Sometimes for the wrong reasons.
The characters are deep and complicated. They reveal new layers of their personality to us all the time. They develop. They surprise, disappoint and wow us. All this is accompanied by beautiful music, incredible acting and overall top quality direction. It's a masterpiece of mind and craft.
 
Sopranos at number 2 and Twin Peaks in the top 10. I'll take that from you uncultured troglodytes.
 
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Cheers! It's top on my list now. I'm gonna give the missus one last chance to watch it with me. I've pushed Sopranos to the side for too long. The madness has to stop!

Sopranos at number 2 and Twin Peaks in the top 10. I'll take that from you uncultured troglodytes.

The most uncultured thing is Mr. Robot not making the top 30. It should be top 10 at least!
 
Still not finished that show, think i've tried watching it about 5 or 6 times. I'm like a season or so away from it ending. Can't put my finger on why I struggle to continue watching it but each time I gradually lose interest and stop watching only to return to it in like 12 months. Does it at least end well or is it another show with a shitty ending?
Im a little biased as i loved the show but for some maybe the ending was a little passive.
 
At least The Walking Dead is not in the top 30.

My son starting watching this and it took me years to actually start watching it.

Started well but dear god, never has a program fallen off such a cliff the further it went on.

My son stopped watching it after a few series but me being the stubborn fool I had to watch until the bitter end.

The last few series were some of the worst TV ive watched.

I think they have a new series out now but I just will not go through that again.
 
At least The Walking Dead is not in the top 30.

My son starting watching this and it took me years to actually start watching it.

Started well but dear god, never has a program fallen off such a cliff the further it went on.

My son stopped watching it after a few series but me being the stubborn fool I had to watch until the bitter end.

The last few series were some of the worst TV ive watched.

I think they have a new series out now but I just will not go through that again.

Just looked it up, and they managed to milk 11 seasons out of that? :lol:

I gave up after season 7, and it had already been a load of shite for years by then. God bless you and anybody else who stuck it out to the grim death.
 
Read the Yellow King too because of TD but I wasn't really caught by it. Think the first story was already the best for me.

It's been a while since I properly read Lovecraft. Call of Cthulhu obviously, think Whisperer in the Dark, Colour out of Space were quite memorable, personally I like Shadows over Innsmouth very much. I liked also his short stories set in New England around the Arkham area, no idea how they're named though. If you can appreciate audiobooks there is the HP Lovecraft Society which produced pretty awesome audiobooks of all his works. Think some are free to get an idea.
Thanks, I'll have a nosey.
 
Dunno, Breaking Bad has - contrary to what I believed it set up as its intial premise - nothing to do with real life. It‘s a superhero fantasy of a chemistry teacher building his rand-ish business empire. Watched it all and then never touched it again. Also the facelift of the actress (his wife) after S1 always pulled me out of it whenever she was on screen. Bit of a pity but there was just no way to make believe this could have been part of her character.
 
@HTG
Cheers! It's top on my list now. I'm gonna give the missus one last chance to watch it with me. I've pushed Sopranos to the side for too long. The madness has to stop!



The most uncultured thing is Mr. Robot not making the top 30. It should be top 10 at least!
Such a horribly under appreciated show. It’s wonderful. Definitely my top 10.

can’t really argue with the top two, The Wire is my GOAT and I tend to flip between Mad Men and The Sopranos for the #2 spot. I do think Breaking Bad is slightly overrated but it’s still top 10.
 
The fact that Vikings and Sons of Anarchy didn’t make it is a joke. But again its the luck of the draw.
 
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Dunno, Breaking Bad has - contrary to what I believed it set up as its intial premise - nothing to do with real life. It‘s a superhero fantasy of a chemistry teacher building his rand-ish business empire. Watched it all and then never touched it again. Also the facelift of the actress (his wife) after S1 always pulled me out of it whenever she was on screen. Bit of a pity but there was just no way to make believe this could have been part of her character.


Middle aged chemistry teacher becomes the biggest drug lord in the land. About as close to a real life premise as possible. Great show. Perhaps the best.
 
6th season was absolutely incredible with some of the best episodes in the entire show, and the finale is the best episode ever.

The last two seasons were spectacularly bad though, almost like bad fan fiction.

It was rubbish from a story and character perspective. It became nothing more than lowest common denominator CGI shock moments.
 
The fact that Vikings and Sons of Anarchy didn’t make it is a joke. But again its the luck of the draw.

Nothing to do with luck, those just aren't that good. They're both pretty similar in that they had some pretty good episodes and were a fun watch for a while, but the quality of writing and acting varied a lot, and generally declined.

Edit: similar to The Walking Dead, really. And Billions. And most not-that-bad TV.
 
Thanks for doing this @Dirty Schwein . Results are a fecking shit show but you did a lot of work.


Before I post the next one, I have a question.

I'm gonna do the music albums version of this next year. What's the best way to do the qualifying rounds?

I was thinking just do it by like decades:

Up to 1969
1970s
1980s
1990s
2000s
2010 - present

Would that be the best way?

I'm not a huge music fan so would like input.
music you will need to break it into genre and decade.

Futurama getting the shade thrown at it that it deserves.

(J/k @Wing Attack Plan R)
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Recency bias has it this high.
Completely. It’s like how the NME will say some new album is top 100 of all time, then two years later no one remembers it. #kasabian #arcticmonkeys #thestreets #sleafordmods
Recency bias strikes again!
And again and again
It was the best of shows, it was the worst of shows.
GOT was a show that I couldn’t wait to see each week, event TV or appointment TV or whatever.
Bonjourrrrrrrr you TikTok watching vape monkeys!
Genius
The West Wing and Only Fools and Horses not on the list. My faith in fellow United supporters has been shaken.
West Wing seasons 1-4 were great. Seasons 5-8 were bad bad bad.
 
Nothing to do with luck, those just aren't that good. They're both pretty similar in that they had some pretty good episodes and were a fun watch for a while, but the quality of writing and acting varied a lot, and generally declined.

Edit: similar to The Walking Dead, really. And Billions. And most not-that-bad TV.
Sons of Anarchy was ludicrous. Ridiculous show start to finish.
 
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Middle aged chemistry teacher becomes the biggest drug lord in the land. About as close to a real life premise as possible. Great show. Perhaps the best.

Did you see it when it got aired? I did‘t remember that it was advertised as some sort of power trip fantasy, but maybe it was. It was entertaining but it felt too cartoonish for me to truly ring a bell for me and I didn‘t like that it never cared to tell anything meaningful about the victims of „the product“ or the whole system but chose a path to tell a story about him also being conned out of his grey matter company (where he was also extraordinary brilliant) and a still confusing story about his ex partners which I found highly uninteresting and totally unnecessary regarding the narrative. But to each their own.
 
Nothing to do with luck, those just aren't that good. They're both pretty similar in that they had some pretty good episodes and were a fun watch for a while, but the quality of writing and acting varied a lot, and generally declined.

Edit: similar to The Walking Dead, really. And Billions. And most not-that-bad TV.
Maybe not top 10. But shite like black fecking Adder doesn't even belong in that list.
 
Hands down the weirdest reason I've ever seen to lose suspension of disbelief.
Why? Of course it wasn‘t the whole show (which just got too much OTT as it progressed in my opinion). But about every second sentence of her in S1 was about saving money and then S2 starts and she just had some surgery going on. Nothing the show runners or anybody (except her, her choice) can be blamed for of course but that just stuck out everytime I saw her. Also didn‘t really liked her character so that didn‘t help.
 
The Wire was my number one until I re-watched The Sopranos recently and remembered how genius it is. It's also just incredibly funny. Funnier than some comedies.

James Gandolfini and Tony Soprano are eternally one and the same. The little mannerisms, the breathing, the childishness, all whilst being such a threatening, complex person. Just terrific acting. His argument with Edie Falco in Whitecaps is incredible from both.

Some of the best supporting characters too. Chris, Paulie, Sil, Livia, Junior, Bobby. I actually hated Livia on my first watch but on second watch I found her less irritating and just quite funny.

Agree with all of this. Out of all my favourite shows, none of them have been anywhere near as good as The Sopranos when it comes to watching them through a 2nd time, 3rd time or more. There's so many good characters and moments which make me laugh out loud, which is unusual for a drama like this. Not to mention James Gandolfini's performance which is just something else.

As much as I like The Wire, when I watched it the 2nd time it wasn't the same and I doubt I'll watch it again any time soon. It only made no.8 on my list so I'm disappointed to see it beat The Sopranos, but I can see why people would vote for it.

Cheers for putting this together again @Dirty Schwein. I think I'll probably skip the music one as my taste in music is rather limited :lol:
 
You'll be fine. I listen to backstreet boys and Craig David so you can't get any more embarrassing than that :lol:

I'll be sure to stink up the vote with my terrible takes (look at my tagline!)

But if you go for albums over songs then please include the song list in a spoiler tag or something so that music heathens like me can partake. I can hardly remember the name of a single album, so I'd have no idea what to vote for!

If you go for songs then you might as well already register 10 points to Bomfunk MC's - Freestyler
 
I'll be sure to stink up the vote with my terrible takes (look at my tagline!)

But if you go for albums over songs then please include the song list in a spoiler tag or something so that music heathens like me can partake. I can hardly remember the name of a single album, so I'd have no idea what to vote for!

If you go for songs then you might as well already register 10 points to Bomfunk MC's - Freestyler
I'm happy to do songs or musicians if albums are too difficult.

Freestyler... rockthemicrophone!!!!
 
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The Wire is at n1. It seems the universe is fine.

Also thanks to @Dirty Schwein for his work.

All in all, a good top two. I would've preferred Deadwood to be much higher but it seems so few people have watched it.
 
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Should I watch Sopranos? Keep in mind that I find pretty much anything that has to do with Italian-American mafia men to be dull, uncool and unsexy. Including Scorsese's stuff

Agree with all of this. Out of all my favourite shows, none of them have been anywhere near as good as The Sopranos when it comes to watching them through a 2nd time, 3rd time or more. There's so many good characters and moments which make me laugh out loud, which is unusual for a drama like this. Not to mention James Gandolfini's performance which is just something else.

As much as I like The Wire, when I watched it the 2nd time it wasn't the same and I doubt I'll watch it again any time soon. It only made no.8 on my list so I'm disappointed to see it beat The Sopranos, but I can see why people would vote for it.

Cheers for putting this together again @Dirty Schwein. I think I'll probably skip the music one as my taste in music is rather limited :lol:
Agree with all of this. Out of all my favourite shows, none of them have been anywhere near as good as The Sopranos when it comes to watching them through a 2nd time, 3rd time or more. There's so many good characters and moments which make me laugh out loud, which is unusual for a drama like this. Not to mention James Gandolfini's performance which is just something else.

As much as I like The Wire, when I watched it the 2nd time it wasn't the same and I doubt I'll watch it again any time soon. It only made no.8 on my list so I'm disappointed to see it beat The Sopranos, but I can see why people would vote for it.

Cheers for putting this together again @Dirty Schwein. I think I'll probably skip the music one as my taste in music is rather limited :lol:
Yes the Sopranos is the one. It’s the only show I can rewatch the whole thing again and again. I cannot do that with any other drama shows except for comedy sitcoms that are reruns. Also it was filmed all around my area and is based after the bumbling DeCavalcante family that operated(s) in the area.
 
@Dirty Schwein

Great job on the list! Predictable top 3 of course as those are the consensus picks everywhere and thankfully the right show won overall.

Definitely an English biased list, predictable with all the British and Americans here but we were missing some great non-English like The Bureau is better than most of the top 10 imo.
 
@Dirty Schwein

Great job on the list! Predictable top 3 of course as those are the consensus picks everywhere and thankfully the right show won overall.

Definitely an English biased list, predictable with all the British and Americans here but we were missing some great non-English like The Bureau is better than most of the top 10 imo.
Any chance of a list of a few non-english shows? I know they were mentioned in earlier rounds and there was a lot i hadn't seen.
I'm back watching Rome again at the moment.

And thanks @Dirty Schwein this was fun
 
And that's what this is all about :)

I watched all of Dark as I had no intention to otherwise. And I've decided to bite the bullet and also watch It's Always Sunny... Got through the first series. A bit meh compared to Community or Parks and Rec but I'm guessing (like with those two) it will get more better in later seasons.

Feck off if I'm watching Chernobyl, Mad Men or Deadwood though. :p
 
I watched all of Dark as I had no intention to otherwise. And I've decided to bite the bullet and also watch It's Always Sunny... Got through the first series. A bit meh compared to Community or Parks and Rec but I'm guessing (like with those two) it will get more better in later seasons.

Feck off if I'm watching Chernobyl, Mad Men or Deadwood though. :p
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Keep in mind that I find pretty much anything that has to do with Italian-American mafia men to be dull, uncool and unsexy. Including Scorsese's stuff (sorry @Sweet Square ). .
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Tbf a lot gangster films are terrible .
 
This was great! Thank you @Dirty Schwein

I've always had hard time deciding which one is better, The Wire or Sopranos but now that Sopranos not winning it makes me feel a bit gutted says it all.

Both great shows.

Dunno, Breaking Bad has - contrary to what I believed it set up as its intial premise - nothing to do with real life. It‘s a superhero fantasy of a chemistry teacher building his rand-ish business empire. Watched it all and then never touched it again. Also the facelift of the actress (his wife) after S1 always pulled me out of it whenever she was on screen. Bit of a pity but there was just no way to make believe this could have been part of her character.
Thank you, well put.

Weird how people rate it as a master piece.
It's ok entertainment I guess but most storylines, characters and scenes are just fecking stupid, ridiculous and implausible. Like, how they took over the corners (just walked up there and started selling ffs), the crazy party days at Jessies house, the Fly episode when they build towers out if chairs to reach to a fly. Like, what kind of a clueless moron writes scripts like these?

Also it stinks of "hey look at us cool guys making this cool fecking show" very strongly
Sorry for the rant but BB is a shite series.