Yeah, lovely story. Oh no, Wengers got the French market all wrapped up. Fergies legacy is forever tainted.
The only people talking down Fergie will the fans of Arsenal, Liverpool etc whose dreams he killed time and again.
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Yeah, lovely story. Oh no, Wengers got the French market all wrapped up. Fergies legacy is forever tainted.
The only people talking down Fergie will the fans of Arsenal, Liverpool etc whose dreams he killed time and again.
Is this supposed to be a serious post?
Anyone is judged by his or her achievments. Everything else is just opinions.
Wenger's remarkably unpopular in France given he nicks all their best young players.
SAF is an incredible manager. The United fan who commented in the RAWK thread said that he loved his achievements, but wasn't particularly keen on how him and the Glazers get on so well. I don't know enough on that to comment, but that's an element of his legacy that is worth a debate.
But there is obviously the point of 'who cares?' Does it matter?
Nobody is perfect. All great people in football have had flaws. Many do get forgotten about. Brian Clough was a cnut at the best of times (Racist too)
Some knickers in a knot over Alastairs post.
What the hell does Wenger have to do with this? Why mention him?
Did you even read the post you quoted?
Exactly. Sadly in today's game, managers have to be 'media friendly' or they won't get far. Look at AVB, wouldn't survive with all that jargon.
Really? Club owners and businessman (like Platini) dislike him because of his transfer activities, but the French public adore him there; the older generation for one because he stood up against Marseille's match fixing.
When I lived over there, the amount of people who referred to him as a twat were remarkable. The majority weren't old enough to remember that, so maybe that's why. There's definitely some resentment over players. This thread got off topic fast.
What the hell does Wenger have to do with this? Why mention him?
Did you even read the post you quoted?
Some knickers in a knot over charleysurf's post.
Yep.
Have to say from what I have heard from listening to journos, Fergie remains one of the more popular managers out there. I think is legacy is fine.
Well anyway, I'm not sure that the press are that bothered about closely examing the personalities of past greats. I mean, just look at the general, modern view of two leading bosses: Sir Matt Busby's depicted as a cuddly teddy bear, everyone's favourite Grandad; Brian Clough is generally viewed as a cheeky maverick; neither depiction is realistic at heart. In short, the media are only truly interested in today's world.
I watched an old match of the day clip a while back, where Clough and Revie were were just sitting talking casually about their grievances with each other. It was refreshing to watch a football discussion on tv with actual insight and honesty as opposed to cliche laden rubbish. I think the likes of Clough will be remembered more fondly purely because of instances like that, on the grounds that he was honest and not afraid of speaking his mind regardless of how popular it would be. People will always remember him for that and forget out his more negative side. Fergie and Mourinho will be remembered positively just the same.
You have seriously got to be kidding here?
Wenger gets his balls sucked at every single occasion by the French media (he is also "part" of the French media, as he is a commentator for TF1, a crap commentator at that). Canal+, more or less the equivalent of Sky over here (they have the rights for the Premier League) have a show every week called "The Specialists" just about English football. They spend their time saying how brilliant Arsenal is and how amazing Wenger is, and very much like Chelsea as well. Gilles Grimandi is a pundit on that show.
That's just a huge lie to say Wenger is unpopular, he's adored by the media over here, it's almost obscene.
The only journalists who usually bear Fergie's brunt are two-bit sensationalist hacks whose opinions hold very little weight. When I think of respected journalists whose opinions actually matter I think of people like Hugh McIlvanney and Henry Winter. I doubt either has much reason to be bitter towards Fergie.
Still, I really hope Fergie is remembered for how he treated the press, it's part of his make-up as a great manager e.g. look how much focus he takes off the players. Sensationalist hacks are bottom feeders. They're like lawyers and estate agents. It's actually an admirable trait to consistently treat them with the contempt they deserve rather than pandering to them and sucking up just to get nicey nice headlines.
Still, I really hope Fergie is remembered for how he treated the press, it's part of his make-up as a great manager e.g. look how much focus he takes off the players. Sensationalist hacks are bottom feeders. They're like lawyers and estate agents. It's actually an admirable trait to consistently treat them with the contempt they deserve rather than pandering to them and sucking up just to get nicey nice headlines.
Tbf SAF is a real petty old man at times when it comes to journos. For example banning Mark Ogden for correctly reporting that Ferdinand was injured is a bit crap.
I don't really care though and it will have no real bearing on how he's viewed. If anything it will add to his myth when he's gone.
Clough was a cnut to journos too and he's still remembered fondly. Infact I'd say Clough was far nastier in many ways in the way he dealt with players, fans and journos than Fergie.
I don't really care though and it will have no real bearing on how he's viewed. If anything it will add to his myth when he's gone.
Clough was a cnut to journos too and he's still remembered fondly. Infact I'd say Clough was far nastier in many ways in the way he dealt with players, fans and journos than Fergie.
SAF is intentionally obnoxious and unfair when it comes to journos; and it's not just the deserving ones either. Just read Daniel Taylor's book. SAF can be moody as feck and does his best to keep them on their toes. Controlling the press through fear and intimidation is part of his strategy.
But like many have said, once he retires, no ones going to hold grudges and it will only add to his aura. I doubt anyone would think less of him because of the way he treated the press.
But like many have said, once he retires, no ones going to hold grudges and it will only add to his aura. I doubt anyone would think less of him because of the way he treated the press.
Journalists can be arses, however WC managers do like to be arses with them for one reason ie to attract the unwanting attention over them and away from their players. It also contribute in developing an 'under siege' mentality which tend to inspire players to stick together against the 'enemy'.
I think there's certainly merit to the argument that Fergie can be nasty and a bully, and I certainly don't think he is an all round wonderful person, but he is the perfect football manager and frankly I will be planning to name my first born after him.
Talk about beating it out of control. Ferguson in not understanding journo shocker. He's paid to manage a football team, as I see it the journalists are privileged just to interview him whenever they can. Then most of them still go on to spout bollocks.
The state journalism is in is diabolical at the moment.
I love the way Sir Alex handles journalists, it's rare to see anyone with the balls to stand up to them.
Rooney and RVP scored virtually as many goals in total as Liverpool did as a club last season and thats split down the middle... Yep Suarez is world class
Talk about beating it out of control. Ferguson in not understanding journo shocker. He's paid to manage a football team, as I see it the journalists are privileged just to interview him whenever they can. Then most of them still go on to spout bollocks.
The state journalism is in is diabolical at the moment.
Give over with the Ferguson is holier-than-thou bollocks ... journalists are paid to ask hard questions and not brown nose managers just to get on their good books. And some of the answers he gives to uncontroversial, harmless questions are out of order.
I love that, get's me every time.On the contrary if the Journo's can't handle it they can feck off. Some are the absolute scum of the earth writing complete lies and sensationalizing the most trivial of shit-talk to big note themselves in their own journalistic circle.. The respected ones will give and get respect back in a common communication trait and build a rapport. It's not all roses and poems of love and war.
Fergie can do as he likes as far as I am concerned (imo, I don't really care what anyone else thinks.) Like I said his job is a Football Manager. Not an all round gentleman for the media and the world to love. If he acts the cnut then I am sure there is usually a good reason for it. Journo's can go jump off a bridge if they cant handle it.
Rafa's new book inspired me to google 'Rawk Rafa Thread' then google suggested 'rawk rafa cult' and I was scared.
Hilarity ensued.
Yes lets read a tactical thesis on a spawny CL campaign...
Lol he's still sitting at home or in an office blogging about football. It doesn't get any lower for a football manager.
I think I am going to be sick I better stop there..
Hilarity ensued.
Yes lets read a tactical thesis on a spawny CL campaign...
Lol he's still sitting at home or in an office blogging about football. It doesn't get any lower for a football manager.
I think I am going to be sick I better stop there..
A transfer budget that matches his expectations? Buy ALL the Gareth Barry's
Benitez interview on Espn. He's still whining.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1155200/rafael-benitez-surprised-not-to-be-approached-by-liverpool?cc=5901
Rafa: No Liverpool approach surprising
September 10, 2012
By ESPN Staff
Dalglish received his marching orders in May before Brendan Rodgers was eventually given the nod by the club's American owners, after the likes of Fabio Capello and Roberto Martinez reportedly snubbed offers.
Benitez, 53, who led the Merseyside club to a both the Champions League and the FA Cup, as well as a further Champions League final, believes after his previous success an approach was the least he was owed.
"It was strange not to be approached," he told the Irish Independent. "We know the club, the players, the Academy and we have even more experience now...the fans were positive about the idea."
The former Inter manager left Anfield by mutual consent in 2010 after a frustrating season saw his side finish seventh.
However, despite the disappointing end to his spell at the club, Benitez is quick to highlight how significant his achievements were.
"We used to play so many important games that it seemed it was normal and it wasn't," he added. "People were talking about 'the past', but just a few years ago Liverpool FC was number one in Europe."
Liverpool have had a poor start to the new season with Rodgers's men having only picked up one point from their first three games.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1155200/rafael-benitez-surprised-not-to-be-approached-by-liverpool?cc=5901
Rafa: No Liverpool approach surprising
September 10, 2012
By ESPN Staff
Dalglish received his marching orders in May before Brendan Rodgers was eventually given the nod by the club's American owners, after the likes of Fabio Capello and Roberto Martinez reportedly snubbed offers.
Benitez, 53, who led the Merseyside club to a both the Champions League and the FA Cup, as well as a further Champions League final, believes after his previous success an approach was the least he was owed.
"It was strange not to be approached," he told the Irish Independent. "We know the club, the players, the Academy and we have even more experience now...the fans were positive about the idea."
The former Inter manager left Anfield by mutual consent in 2010 after a frustrating season saw his side finish seventh.
However, despite the disappointing end to his spell at the club, Benitez is quick to highlight how significant his achievements were.
"We used to play so many important games that it seemed it was normal and it wasn't," he added. "People were talking about 'the past', but just a few years ago Liverpool FC was number one in Europe."
Liverpool have had a poor start to the new season with Rodgers's men having only picked up one point from their first three games.
Ok, Capello turning it down I can see, but how poor must the Liverpool job look that Roberto Martinez, whose greatest managerial accomplishment is somehow keeping Wigan in the Premiership for three years, decided "Not for me, thanks."
rofl
In about 5 years from now, the debt would probably be settled
People have to praise SAF for foreseeing it all while maintaining success
I would care so much if the media spouting bollocks about ferguson.
They're paid to make stories, there will always be a journo for the Manc readers, and another one for the Scouse readers, Chelsea, Arse, etc.
They need to write according to their target market, so it is expected for them to sensationalise and pick a side, no matter what journalist code we try to belief.
All and all, they're probably grown mature enough to know at the end of the day it's just business , nothing personal (well one or two probably took things personal)
but on the general note, IMO they'll probably say hi and share a few jokes when they met SAF post his retirement.
We read too much at times
They're paid to make stories, there will always be a journo for the Manc readers, and another one for the Scouse readers, Chelsea, Arse, etc.
They need to write according to their target market, so it is expected for them to sensationalise and pick a side, no matter what journalist code we try to belief.
All and all, they're probably grown mature enough to know at the end of the day it's just business , nothing personal (well one or two probably took things personal)
but on the general note, IMO they'll probably say hi and share a few jokes when they met SAF post his retirement.
We read too much at times
Locked!
On the contrary if the Journo's can't handle it they can feck off. Some are the absolute scum of the earth writing complete lies and sensationalizing the most trivial of shit-talk to big note themselves in their own journalistic circle.. The respected ones will give and get respect back in a common communication trait and build a rapport. It's not all roses and poems of love and war.
Fergie can do as he likes as far as I am concerned (imo, I don't really care what anyone else thinks.) Like I said his job is a Football Manager. Not an all round gentleman for the media and the world to love. If he acts the cnut then I am sure there is usually a good reason for it. Journo's can go jump off a bridge if they cant handle it.
"Scum of the earth."
Christ, we might as well be on RAWK."Scum of the earth."
Some journalists being "scum" is a widely held view, and some of them deserve it.
mate, have you never heard of "trawlers and seagulls"?
There's a real world out there, y'know...food chain. Journos are shitehawks. I worked in the industry and by and large, good lads but the job necessitates stupidity, obnoxious behaviour, misleading stories, lies, anything to sell a "story" etc etc the "story" is king - say what you want to believe about Fergie, but he has a job too, managing United and he doesn't actually need some of these creeps. They'll be suckholing one minute and stabbing him in the back the next. You expect him to accommodate their needs? He is selective and understandably so given the shite they put out.
On the contrary if the Journo's can't handle it they can feck off. Some are the absolute scum of the earth writing complete lies and sensationalizing the most trivial of shit-talk to big note themselves in their own journalistic circle.. The respected ones will give and get respect back in a common communication trait and build a rapport. It's not all roses and poems of love and war.
Fergie can do as he likes as far as I am concerned (imo, I don't really care what anyone else thinks.) Like I said his job is a Football Manager. Not an all round gentleman for the media and the world to love. If he acts the cnut then I am sure there is usually a good reason for it. Journo's can go jump off a bridge if they cant handle it.
There won't be many thing to write then, Fergie for all he's done is not exactly a good writing material.
They're paid to sensationalised nothing (mind you this is football, and not world war), most of the things that keeps readers reading are probably bollocks at the end of the day.
They're just professionals paid to do their job, the readers are their employee, and they write what they think their readers want to hear.
Often we blame the English media for all the circus that's been happening on England, but honestly, that kind of shits is what most of you thrive to read on the paper.
Suarez has to be world class. He hit the woodwork more times than any other player last season. That's precision accuracy.
He was also one of the worst players in terms of shots to goal conversion ratio, not to mention that the entire Liverpool team had such a bad accuracy that they where on the same level as teams that go relegated.
So Carroll isn't the only one in that team that can't hit a barn door.
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