RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

My God the idiocy on RAWK never ceases to amaze me.
'Das Reich' FC and their fans have become a laughing stock over this affair and are being ridiculed on every other clubs forum........ quite entertaining really :)
 
I'll put a tenner on not one of them having read the report.

Why would the read it when they consider it as a bogus report under a conspiracy driven agenda?

It's akin to these 9/11 conspiracy nuts in the US and around the world that refuse to read the Commission report and reports from Popular Mechanics and NIST amongst others from around the world.
 
I love the way they all pretend to be "LOLING" when Sunderland score when in reality we all know that they're ready to slit their wrists because the evil Manchester United might win yet another title whilst the mighty Liverpoo end up with yet another season without silverware and a reputation for supporting racism to boot.

Premier League Fixtures - 30th Dec, 31st Dec and 1st Jan
 

That conviction and statement yesterday is the biggest farce I've ever witnessed in sport, and it's disgusting how Suarez was stitched up by the FA and the media, I hope they never get a major tournament to host as they don't deserve the honour the shower of xenophobic cnuts.

Yeah! feck the xenophobes at the FA. Finding a Senegalese-French national's evidence (corroborated by another Frenchman, a Dutchman and a Scot) more convincing than that of a Uruguaian shows clear bias towards their own countrymen at the expense of foreigners!
 
After the full time whistle when Sunderland beat City...

Shit. Now what's the point in United losing to Blackburn? Now if we wanna see Liverpool win we'll probably have to see United taking City's place at the front.

Amazing thing is that this United squad is really average. If Premier had the Chelsea from 2006 or Liverpool from 2009 United would be fecked. I can't rely on City to win the title, but it looks like our only hope to not see Ferguson win it again. Hopefully next season we won't have to depend on anyone

Can someone please remind me what the "Liverpool of 2009" won?

We're back in the race.

IT'S ON!

:lol: :lol:
 
They won feck all, but in all fairness, they'd be comfortably the best team in the League today - the 08/09 side anyway. Pretty much every top side from around that period has gone markedly downhill since then though, United, Villa, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, the only sides who've shown any improvement have been City and Tottenham.
 
There are some decent posts in that TLW thread...Problem is (as seemingly on RAWK, and certainly on twitter too) the inability of some to argue against them without just calling people pricks and telling them to do one.

You can't complain about being perceived badly if your reaction to an opposing opinion is to get really riled up and tell someone to feck off. Every medium seems to have a load of fans doing it. It makes them look like knuckleheads angered by being outlogiced by cleverer people. It's bad impression making 101.

I genuinely feel for the more rational Liverpool fans who must feel like banging their heads against a brick wall.


Yeah! feck the xenophobes at the FA. Finding a Senegalese-French national's evidence (corroborated by another Frenchman, a Dutchman and a Scot) more convincing than that of a Uruguaian shows clear bias towards their own countryman at the expense of foreigners!

The xenophobia thing is another consistent thing. I've seen it all over the shop. It's bonkers, and looks like "well if you even see them as different then you're the racist" arguments used by people who think cracker & nigger are the same level of offence.

They've really reached for some bafflingly poor arguments over the course of this.
 
They won feck all, but in all fairness, they'd be comfortably the best team in the League today

Bollocks. How can this even be proved? If that team was in the league today they'd still bottle it and Rafa would still bring out his little book of fachts and feck the whole season up because of it.
 
They won feck all, but in all fairness, they'd be comfortably the best team in the League today - the 08/09 side anyway. Pretty much every top side from around that period has gone markedly downhill since then though, United, Villa, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, the only sides who've shown any improvement have been City and Tottenham.

But surely if they were allowed to be the Chelsea of 2006 and the Liverpool of 2009, we ourselves might decide to revert to the United of 2008. It's a ridiculous statement put forward by the RAWKite no matter how you look at it.
 
Bollocks. How can this even be proved? If that team was in the league today they'd still bottle it and Rafa would still bring out his little book of fachts and feck the whole season up because of it.
It can't be proved, but just look at their side at the time. Their midfield 3 was exceptional, their defence and goalkeeper were very very good, Torres was still one of the best in the world, and they consistently did well in Europe. For me, that was a really excellent side.

I don't buy the whole bottling argument by the way, I maintain that they lost that title because they were fighting against one of the strongest, if not the strongest, first team and squad in Premier League history. It's a testament to the strength of that side that it managed to hold off that Liverpool team despite being involved in 7 competitions, in all but one of them until the final stage, and it does it a disservice to say Rafa's book of fachts was the deciding factor.
But surely if they were allowed to be the Chelsea of 2006 and the Liverpool of 2009, we ourselves might decide to revert to the United of 2008. It's a ridiculous statement put forward by the RAWKite no matter how you look at it.
Yeah, of course, it's completely meaningless as far as them deserving to win anything this year is, it's a fairly accurate commentary on the decline in quality at the top of the Premier League though.
 
They won feck all, but in all fairness, they'd be comfortably the best team in the League today - the 08/09 side anyway. Pretty much every top side from around that period has gone markedly downhill since then though, United, Villa, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, the only sides who've shown any improvement have been City and Tottenham.
Eh? They got 86 points, both United and City are on target for 90 points. And I think the overall collective quality of the 20 teams has risen quite considerably since 08/09.
 
Eh? They got 86 points, both United and City are on target for 90 points. And I think the overall collective quality of the 20 teams has risen quite considerably since 08/09.

I don't agree with that at all. The weaker teams just appear stronger because the strongest sides are weaker, as shown by their displays in Europe. Top English sides used to consistently reach Semi Finals, in the 06-09 period there were 9 English sides out of 12 in the Semis, in the following two years there has been only one. While that's not the most accurate or reliable measurement of the top sides' strength, I can't see any way whatsoever of measuring the strength of the weaker sides objectively.
 
I don't agree with that at all. The weaker teams just appear stronger because the strongest sides are weaker, as shown by their displays in Europe. Top English sides used to consistently reach Semi Finals, in the 06-09 period there were 9 English sides out of 12 in the Semis, in the following two years there has been only one. While that's not the most accurate or reliable measurement of the top sides' strength, I can't see any way whatsoever of measuring the strength of the weaker sides objectively.

I have to say I'm agreeing hugely with you.

Think of how formidable Chelsea used to be, how formidable we were in 2006-2009, Liverpool were also excellent for 2-3 years, particularly in Europe. Even Arsenal's team was pretty boss, they just melted at the end of the season. IMO no English teams get near any of those squads today. City can probably match the talent, but they have only won the FA Cup so far, maybe they will be regarded as a truly formidable team in 2-3 years.

Think of the players those teams had in the best parts of their careers.. JT, Lampard, Drogba, Ronaldo, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Torres, Gerrard, Alonso. I have no doubt in my mind that the top teams have dropped considerably in the past three years. They were the gems of Europe, now Barca & Real are the big doggs again!
 
Eh? They got 86 points, both United and City are on target for 90 points. And I think the overall collective quality of the 20 teams has risen quite considerably since 08/09.

and they wouldn't've reached that total were it not for a freakish tally of opponents sent off and penalties with Stevie in his starfish heyday. You'd have to agree though, that PL standard has declined.
 
I don't agree with that at all. The weaker teams just appear stronger because the strongest sides are weaker, as shown by their displays in Europe. Top English sides used to consistently reach Semi Finals, in the 06-09 period there were 9 English sides out of 12 in the Semis, in the following two years there has been only one. While that's not the most accurate or reliable measurement of the top sides' strength, I can't see any way whatsoever of measuring the strength of the weaker sides objectively.
Well that was solely down to United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, who've all weakened since then, but not by as much as City and Spurs have improved.

Anyway, your argument was that they'd "comfortably be the best team", for that they'd have to get around 96 points (assuming a 6 point title win is comfortable) in the league today. Do you really think the 08-09 Liverpool team would get 96 points today, an all-time record and 10 points better than they got that season?
 
Well that was solely down to United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, who've all weakened since then, but not by as much as City and Spurs have improved.

Anyway, your argument was that they'd "comfortably be the best team", for that they'd have to get around 96 points (assuming a 6 point title win is comfortable) in the league today. Do you really think the 08-09 Liverpool team would get 96 points today, an all-time record and 10 points better than they got that season?
Exactly.
 
Their 08/09 side is very overrated.

It had a good spine but was incredibly average on the wings and at full-back.

Lacked depth as well whereby players like Nabil El Zhar were the go to guys when a first teamer got injured.

The United side of 08/09 was the least impressive of all our recent title winning sides.
 
Their 08/09 side is very overrated.

It had a good spine but was incredibly average on the wings and at full-back.

Lacked depth as well whereby players like Nabil El Zhar were the go to guys when a first teamer got injured.

The United side of 08/09 was the least impressive of all our recent title winning sides.

Don't forget about a third of their games the other team had gone down to 10 men.
 
Their 08/09 side is very overrated.

It had a good spine but was incredibly average on the wings and at full-back.

Lacked depth as well whereby players like Nabil El Zhar were the go to guys when a first teamer got injured.

The United side of 08/09 was the least impressive of all our recent title winning sides.

Indeed. That LFC side basically had four top players(Torres, Alonso, Gerrard and Macherano) and a top keeper.

The rest of the side and the squad are nothing special and the full backs and wingers very average.

I'd say this City side will be proven to be a better team and squad once the season is over.

Not only was that United's least impressive recent title, it was also the season Chelsea made no challenge either.
 
Well that was solely down to United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, who've all weakened since then, but not by as much as City and Spurs have improved.

Anyway, your argument was that they'd "comfortably be the best team", for that they'd have to get around 96 points (assuming a 6 point title win is comfortable) in the league today. Do you really think the 08-09 Liverpool team would get 96 points today, an all-time record and 10 points better than they got that season?
Not necessarily, they might comfortably be the best team and not win the League by a massive margin. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if neither United or City do make it to the 90 points barrier regardless.
Their 08/09 side is very overrated.

It had a good spine but was incredibly average on the wings and at full-back.

Lacked depth as well whereby players like Nabil El Zhar were the go to guys when a first teamer got injured.

The United side of 08/09 was the least impressive of all our recent title winning sides.
At Full Back I thought they were pretty good, and Kuyt has always been a good player on the wing. It did lack depth, that's true, but the quality of the spine was excellent. Our 08/09 side might not have been extremely impressive, but it was extremely difficult for anyone to catch them given the sheer volume of wins - there were only 3 games after Christmas that we didn't win.
 
Not necessarily, they might comfortably be the best team and not win the League by a massive margin. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if neither United or City do make it to the 90 points barrier regardless.
How do you just if a team is comfortably better than everyone else if not by points? The objective of a football team is to win games, that's what you have to judge them on. I don't think you can even argue to being comfortably the best team in the league if one round of fixtures can see you go to second, therefore I think they'd have to get four more points than both United and City. I think at least one will make 90 points or very close, therefore you'd have to see a very substantial increase on their points total of 08/09, and as others have pointed out they could scarcely have had more things go right for them that season.
 
That's the second week in a row Mockney has destroyed the Scouse fanbase with a youtube video...
 
Apparently Phil Thompson has agreed with Jeff Stelling that LFC should issue an apology to Evra. Hope he has good insurance.

fwiw



But as they've established, repetitively, "lets only look at the things that look like we're right."


You've CG'd that la.
 
The next e-mail campaign of RAWK starts now!
Copy of e-mail sent to John Henry

Dear Mr Henry

My name is...

....I have been in construction all my working life as a Surveyor and during this career have been involved in the drafting and defence of many construction disputes and their arbitrations/adjudications. As such, whilst not a lawyer, I do possess a reasonable working insight into how civil legal cases work. In particular how the adversarial judicial system is intended to function with two 'competing' advocates and a just and impartial judgement body.

It is clear the FA's handling of this Evra/Suarez affair has been anything other than just and impartial with no intent - once they made their original decision to adopt Evra's accusation as their own - other than to see to it that their 'independent' body implemented their own surmising that Suarez had been guilty of abuse with racist comment.

Last night, as I read the findings on the Evra/Suarez case, I was staggered at the adversarial nature of the panel's judgement. In its basic approach I felt as if I was reading the case for the prosecution in one of the construction disputes I referred to earlier.

Relating to Suarez, I'd cite just two out of untold instances which jarred for their biased interpretation - how, early in the report, they had laboured so determinedly to rule out 'subjective intention' as a judgement parameter and later, as they attempted to substantiate their ruling, how across several paragraphs they strived so ludicrously to discredit Suarez's testimony as unreliable based upon the distinction between his use at different times during the case of three similar meaning adjectives - 'friendly', 'affectionate' and 'conciliatory'. So one of the reasons a man, who in English is barely intelligible in communicating about a goal he has scored, is held as 'unreliable' is for a marginal distinction in how he conveys in the same English language his abstract intention concerning the Uruguayan street term 'negro'!

Relating to Evra, the panel's bias in his favour is apparent throughout but to demonstrate it most pointedly I'd merely refer back to the initial 'kicking/fouling' incident incident which seams through the whole affair and how the panel have chosen to view it - or more crucially - not to view it. In respect of something so pivotal to everything that subsequently transpired in this entire episode - it beggars belief how a footballing 'knock 'so manifestly innocuous could find any fair minded person steeped in footballing knowledge, let alone a 'body' which is deemed fair and impartial ,

a] failing to express disbelief at the manner and extent of Evra's reaction at the time

b] having the gall to refer to Evra being in a state of 'shock' some 5 minutes later at the time of the goalmouth confrontation episode and then citing Evra as merely 'partly' as distinct from 'wholly' responsible for the confrontation which then took place

The nature of so much similar 'analysis' within their findings showed me that this was no independent 'body 'seeking to determine what had actually transpired that day and thus ensure the implemention of impartiality and justice. Rather, this was a 'body' seeking to protect and implement a pre-determined decision of the body that had appointed it - namely that the accused party was guilty.

Just how incompetant and possibly corrupted the FA have been in their handling of this affair is yet to be fully determined. However what is glaring from the published findings of their so-called independent panel is that there has categorically been nothing 'independent' about it - rather it has been merely an instrument to ensure the implementation of Patrice Evra's claim of abuse with racist comment.

I am sure you are already determined to fight this travesty Mr Henry. I would urge you to do so by taking it to the highest profile available so that the sham which is our FA and the hypocrisy they represent can be exposed for what it is.

Kind regards
 
I positively welcome LFC trying to take this case further in other judicial systems.

They'll be laughed out of 'court' - be subject to massive fines - and probably subject to severe charges of 'bringing the game into disrepute', with mind-boggling punishments.

'Dale' as Suarez would say.
 
WTF is that thread , has the potential to be a classic.
This is just one bit from it .

In other words, the FA have presided over a modern day equivalent of the Salem witch trials with poor Luis as winnie the Witch and not one media outlet has picked up on the utter sham that it is. meanwhile a possibly innocent man has very possibly had his life and career - if not destroyed - then seriously damaged and sullied.

They are all just idiots :lol::lol:
 
As such, whilst not a lawyer, I do possess a reasonable working insight into how civil legal cases work

A top lawyer couldn't defend Suarez's sorry arse, yet anon here from the retardwebz think he has it.

"No Mr Henry, you see..." - Mind = Blown.