RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

This isn't from RAWK, but from another Liverpool board:

I dont know much bout history but im sure this is how the salem witch trials were conducted.
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We know Evra is prone to exaggerate events and then kick off when he perceives himself as a victim.

It seems to be one man - known for making things up - and his accusations, against another man - shown to be honest and reliable in the hearing itself - with the FA's full fecking "anti-racism" (whether there's a case or not) bullshit bandwagon in full flow.

One man versus another. Suarez far more likely to be telling the truth. If he is, he deserves absolutely nothing except 'perhaps don't use that word again because it could be considered offensive in the wrong context', although even that seems fecking harsh since he was speaking in his own bloody language.
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Narnia land
 
Hopefully Liverpool the club and Suarez will accept the ban + fine and make a public apology to Evra. I think that's the best thing to do now.

Liverpool have to distance themselves from racism, setting a good example to and controlling their fans, because let's face it: the blind support for Suarez and hate towards Evra are clearly getting out of hand. It's time for Liverpool to hold their hands up and say: our bad, we apologize, let's move on". Then the saga will be quickly forgotten. In my opinion, Dragging on this saga will only hurt the reputation of Liverpool even more. It's just stupid and a lost cause.

I doubt Liverpool will stop now, because Liverpool think this is another Liverpool-Manchester United battle, off field.


I'm really tired of this saga.
 
Unam333 said:
Hopefully Liverpool the club and Suarez will accept the ban + fine and make a public apology to Evra. I think that's the best thing to do now.

Liverpool have to distance themselves from racism, setting a good example to and controlling their fans, because let's face it: the blind support for Suarez and hate towards Evra are clearly getting out of hand. It's time for Liverpool to hold their hands up and say: our bad, we apologize, let's move on". Then the saga will be quickly forgotten. In my opinion, Dragging on this saga will only hurt the reputation of Liverpool even more. It's just stupid and a lost cause.

I doubt Liverpool will stop now, because Liverpool think this is another Liverpool-Manchester United battle, off field.


I'm really tired of this saga.
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I think it's too late for that. "King Kenny" has fostered such an unhealthy us against them attitude that any statement from Liverpool or Suarez expressing the slightest contrition for what that bastard has done would only be interpreted by Liverpool fans as being forced upon them by the FA. Even now, after the evidence has been released, there are still poorly written essays being published all over the internet by Liverpool fans who have been taken in by it.
 
An Irish Red said:
We know Evra is prone to exaggerate events and then kick off when he perceives himself as a victim.

It seems to be one man - known for making things up - and his accusations, against another man - shown to be honest and reliable in the hearing itself - with the FA's full fecking "anti-racism" (whether there's a case or not) bullshit bandwagon in full flow.

One man versus another. Suarez far more likely to be telling the truth. If he is, he deserves absolutely nothing except 'perhaps don't use that word again because it could be considered offensive in the wrong context', although even that seems fecking harsh since he was speaking in his own bloody language.
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Narnia land
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"Suarez far more likely to be telling the truth."

Oh of course...

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Suarez is a pillar of honesty, I have no idea what you feckin' bias cnuts have against him, it's all a conspiracy la. You're acting as if the FA said his story was inconsistent and didn't match up with the video evid... oh wait.
 
Olly you forgot his WC handball! Worst of the lot, by far (except the biting incident, perhaps).

Whatever his skill as a footballer, I just can't respect it. He's a dispicable human being.
 
Urbanned said:
Olly you forgot his WC handball! Worst of the lot, by far (except the biting incident, perhaps).

Whatever his skill as a footballer, I just can't respect it. He's a dispicable human being.
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We need to open a "Special Saint Suarez' Antics Collection" topic.
 
For some reason this one-

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-makes me laugh.

On a slightly serious note:

Is Suarez an orphan?

Most parents, especially a father, would discipline that kind of behaviour out of their children quite easily. It's basically tantrum "I'm conditioned to believe I'll always get my way" behaviour.

Actually, this would make more sense if a mother had coddled him too much. Maybe he just didn't have a father around.
 
swooshboy said:
Wow.

How do they seriously deny/ignore the verdict and the evidence??
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The stock approach seems to consist of these tactics:

1. After a couple of months of arguing about the nuances of the word negrito ignore the fact that it was never said.

2. After a couple of months of arguing about expert linguistic interpretation ignore for the most part the views of the experts appointed for this case and instead place all faith in the seemingly unknown view of Javier Hernandez because Counsel for the FA asked for one part of his statement to be ignored as it was an opinion on the matter and the matter should be left to expert evidence.

3. Ignore all the parts of the fact finding where Suarez contradicts himself on the key issues of the case including the parts where Comoli and Kuyt 'misheard' him.

4. Ignore all the probative evidence provided by all other parties to the case other than Evra and Suarez, i.e. Marriner, Dowd, the United players interviewed and Comoli, Dalglish and Kuyt.

5. Ignore all other findings of fact by the Tribunal and gloss over the issues of importance(i.e. the pinch defusing the situation argument, the whole issue of context, Suarez changing his story on seeing video evidence, the discrepancies with the LFC stories and the fact that the Commission gave Evra's evidence close scrutiny due to Suarez's ethnic background) .

6. Then conclude it's Evra's word vs Suarez word and that there is NO EVIDENCE.

7. Quote the Chelsea judgment about Evra being an unreliable witness and place huge emphasis on the fact Evra said to the Canal reporter the word was used 10 times and Fergie reported it as five.

8. On this basis, dismiss everything Evra stated as lies and react with outrage that his word was accepted.

9. Vent about FA injustice, stitch ups and conspiracies and media reports stating Evra's case wrongly as 'fact' when these were the findings of the Commission.

10. The more ambitious will go one step further and rest safe in the knowledge that the matter will be laughed out of court in the foreseeable future. Some have even tailored legal arguments themselves such as the cautionary rule.

Objective reasoning Rawk style.
 
hungrywing said:
Is Suarez an orphan?

Most parents, especially a father, would discipline that kind of behaviour out of their children quite easily. It's basically tantrum "I'm conditioned to believe I'll always get my way" behaviour.

Actually, this would make more sense if a mother had coddled him too much. Maybe he just didn't have a father around.
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You don't have to come up with theories why he's a cnut.

Some people are born cnuts.
 
Dobba said:
11. Point out Evra has had previous evidence described as "unreliable" by the FA as proof he shouldn't be trusted but scream conspiracy when the same label is put on Suarez's.
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12. Rest safe in the knowledge that realistic United fans(i.e. two manc mates of RAWK posters) think Suarez is innocent and that everyone on Redcafe are Internet warriors.
 
In fairness one or two posters have posted some more reasonable views since I last looked.

Decent post from someone called DoggyRev. Actual objective reasoning.
 
Yes, no two people in here agree about anything...but we manage to create a giant conspiracy about Liverpool and get everyone to follow it! Remarkable!
 
Think you're being a bit harsh there. When you forget about the diving, biting, hair pulling, two-footed tackling, hand-balling, racist name calling, it's not that bad.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
In fairness one or two posters have posted some more reasonable views since I last looked.

Decent post from someone called DoggyRev. Actual objective reasoning.
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That poster said this:

Now in light of this i believe that LFC's lawyers could find some areas to challenge the appeal - mainly on the subjective / objective test of the particular rules concerning abuse ...
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Thank God he read the entire piece...oh wait:

Had we decided that the test for a breach of Rule E3(1) included a subjective element, we
would still have found the Charge proved. In our judgment, not only were the words used
by Mr Suarez insulting for the reasons explained above, he also intended them to be
insulting. This was so, both with regard to his first two comments in the goalmouth
(“Porque tu eres negro” and “No hablo con los negros”), but also with regard to his use of
“negro” to address Mr Evra where the word was used in the context of the confrontation
which we have described.
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§399.
 
I only just found out that after his handball against Ghana, Suarez said this;

"Mine is the real 'Hand Of God'. I made the save of the tournament."

What a cock!
 
Rawkaloid
I don't see how unreliability in his evidence can be used in this situation. If Luis didn't think he was offending anyone racially and didn't anticipate to be having a hearing on the incident, he is not going to remember exactly what happened during the incident. On the other hand if he is lying then he would be prepared for it and be properly consistent in his testimony.
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The good old conspiracist's rationale. His evidence is too unreliable. Only a completely believable and water tight testimony could possibly prove his guilt.


Oh, and happy new year gimps.
 
Ah and so he creeps out, from the depths of the gully of forgotten heroes with a voracious dragon waiting for his presence to give command.

What overwhelming evidence is this?

* The word of Evra against Suarez
* No video evidence
* No audio evidence
* Referee didn't hear or see anything
* Liverpool players didn't hear or see anything
* Manchester United players didn't hear or see anything
* Fourth official didn't see anything
* Evra goes to Canal+
* Ferguson goes to the referee and comes out with a different accusation than the one made by Evra
* Report states a different number to the one Evra claimed on Canal+ also different than the one claimed by Ferguson in a report to the ref
* Referee notes discarded
* First recording of Evra interview 'goes missing', isn't transcribed, isn't available, isn't compared to a subsequent statement
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Guess who?
 
Skywarden said:
That poster said this:



Thank God he read the entire piece...oh wait:



§399.
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None of that takes away from the fair nature of his post.

He's the only person in their to admit that the Commission was fair to Suarez, LFC argument is not plausible due to the change of stories and applying common sense, that Suarez made a mistake and that it's probably best if LFC don't appeal. That last paragraph is the closest you are going to get as fairness to Evra on a madhouse like RAWK when the rest of the place are accusing him of being a liar.
 
* Liverpool players didn't hear or see anything
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Suarez did, an he admitted to using the offending terms. The question is over the intent of those terms, extra witnesses or video evidence wouldn't be particularly helpful.
 
I love how they think because Suarez's grandad is black he couldn't possibly have said "I don't speak to blacks". Try applying it to the context.

PE: "Why did you kick me?"
LS: "Because you are a black"
PE: "Say that again and I will kick you"
LS: "I don't speak to blacks"
PE: "Im going to punch you"
LS:
is


The context was that he was deliberately trying to wind Evra up to gain an advantage. This is also shown by him trying to rub the back of Evra's head and pinch him during the tension.

Suarez was caught lying about this by saying he was trying to calm him down by pinching him.. ridiculous.
 
His fellow countryman (not that the French have any love for Evra) and national hero headbutts a guy in the World Cup Final for insulting his sister and ethnicity in the same slur, yet poor old Patrice is not up to that, so accuses the ref of racism and spends the remainder of the match and a cosy little chat with his master plotting how to "do Suarez" and does his bidding willingly, ruining a man's reputation in the process. fecking cowardly is what is.
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Yes, because Zidane's way of doing things was obviously the right way to go about one's business on a football pitch. It's the crowning glory of his career, that sending off in a World Cup final. What an utterly immoral bunch of racist cavemen they are over there.

Do you think any of them ever speak this level of idiocy outside the safety of likeminded RAWKites?
 
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