RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

antohan said:
Instead, everyone around him has been insisting he is innocent, he is a victim of a witch-hunt and, quite frankly, I don't think it has actually sunk in his head that he fecked up and that it isn't the world against him, it's him doing something that in the country/continent he lives in today is out of order. Which goes a long way in explaining the non-handshake
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In other words, it's like they've infected him with their 'we're always the victims' mentality.
 
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antohan said:
He's not very intelligent, has always been a little shit and has had rubbish counselling. Personally, I blame the counselling above all, he is a fecking football player, what the hell do they have all the rest of the staff for if not to talk some sense into technically-gifted ignorants?

The first I heard from Suarez was actually to the Uruguayan media and he sort of tried to dress it in order not to look bad but ultimately it was very clear he had resorted to racist language to wind up an opponent. His whole body language showed he was both uncomfortable and surprised by it all.
But then the reporter himself did this little "comrade" thing, sort of "come on, I wasn't born yesterday, you were winding him up, weren't you?" and Suarez sort of shrugged and smirked. In a way, he looked relieved "finally, someone gets it, it's normal isn't it?" type reaction.

I do believe there is a cultural issue. Those terms are indeed used in friendly banter and are OK. They can also be used negatively, subject to context. Players here will resort to racist language as much as any other stuff to wind up an opponent. To us it is all the same: an on-pitch wind-up in the heat fo the game. You just brush it off and get on with it. In fact, we are more offended by son of a bitch or references to mum's sisters and where they were last night than skin colour. No one gives a flying feck about skin colour to be honest as it is mostly a mixed race country.

Suarez did look genuinely surprised at the dimensions it had all taken. Had someone had a quick word with him and explained he would have been out there apologising, putting it down to the heat of the moment, cultural differences and that would be that.

Instead, everyone around him has been insisting he is innocent, he is a victim of a witch-hunt and, quite frankly, I don't think it has actually sunk in his head that he fecked up and that it isn't the world against him, it's him doing something that in the country/continent he lives in today is out of order. Which goes a long way in explaining the non-handshake, if anyone with any sense had a word with him over the last few months he would know how to behave by now. Clearly, he doesn't. Either those around him have no sense (looks the right answer really) or he is thick as pigshit (probably true as well).
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Interesting post, Antohan.
 
RAWK's intelligensia speaks out:

Can't believe any of of fans are not supporting him100% . feck off y is bastids. You a are playing dementias hands
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Amir said:
In other words, it's like they've infected him with their 'we're always the victims' mentality.
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Precisely. He never struck me as the victim type character (other than when playacting). During the World Cup he was genuinely baffled as to what was the big deal with his handball, he should have taken notice it was mainly the English media stirring that up. If you are baffled by how the English media reacts to something, when moving to the EPL he should have put 2 and 2 together and worked out that his normal codes don't apply.

He really seems to have completely lost the plot and I would put 90% of that squarely at Liverpool's feet (club, manager, fans).
 
Olly said:
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:lol::lol:

The one thing that restores my faith in football fans somewhat is the fact that so many other clubs supporters have the same stance as us. RAWK/Liverpool can try and make it United v Liverpool as much as they want but in reality everyone without fail is disgusted by their actions.

I had a quick looks at other teams forums early in this debate to see what the common consensus was and hilariously it seems like there's a RAWK member on every club's forum spouting shit and getting shot down. I reckon they dutifully tried to go out and spread the 'truth' about their saviour :lol:
 
antohan said:
He's not very intelligent, has always been a little shit and has had rubbish counselling. Personally, I blame the counselling above all, he is a fecking football player, what the hell do they have all the rest of the staff for if not to talk some sense into technically-gifted ignorants?

The first I heard from Suarez was actually to the Uruguayan media and he sort of tried to dress it in order not to look bad but ultimately it was very clear he had resorted to racist language to wind up an opponent. His whole body language showed he was both uncomfortable and surprised by it all.
But then the reporter himself did this little "comrade" thing, sort of "come on, I wasn't born yesterday, you were winding him up, weren't you?" and Suarez sort of shrugged and smirked. In a way, he looked relieved "finally, someone gets it, it's normal isn't it?" type reaction.

I do believe there is a cultural issue. Those terms are indeed used in friendly banter and are OK. They can also be used negatively, subject to context. Players here will resort to racist language as much as any other stuff to wind up an opponent. To us it is all the same: an on-pitch wind-up in the heat fo the game. You just brush it off and get on with it. In fact, we are more offended by son of a bitch or references to mum's sisters and where they were last night than skin colour. No one gives a flying feck about skin colour to be honest as it is mostly a mixed race country.

Suarez did look genuinely surprised at the dimensions it had all taken. Had someone had a quick word with him and explained he would have been out there apologising, putting it down to the heat of the moment, cultural differences and that would be that.

Instead, everyone around him has been insisting he is innocent, he is a victim of a witch-hunt and, quite frankly, I don't think it has actually sunk in his head that he fecked up and that it isn't the world against him, it's him doing something that in the country/continent he lives in today is out of order. Which goes a long way in explaining the non-handshake, if anyone with any sense had a word with him over the last few months he would know how to behave by now. Clearly, he doesn't. Either those around him have no sense (looks the right answer really) or he is thick as pigshit (probably true as well).
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i think i know what your getting at, but this doesnt explain dalglish's ridiculous attitude and what seems to be the majority of liverpool supporters views on this issue.

they couldnt all be taking the same advice from the same person, surely at some stage a third party intervenes and sets them straight?

i am honestly baffled by their position on this.
 
thebelfastboy said:
i think i know what your getting at, but this doesnt explain dalglish's ridiculous attitude and what seems to be the majority of liverpool supporters views on this issue.

they couldnt all be taking the same advice from the same person, surely at some stage a third party intervenes and sets them straight?

i am honestly baffled by their position on this.
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I don't think you know what I was getting at since I am not justifying Dalglish and the supporters, much the opposite, I think they are the core problem, Liverpool as a whole has shown no ability to handle it, and Suarez is being taken/dragged along for that ride.

He is the central figure, but Suarez alone couldn't possibly create the mess that this has become. The whole club is a trainwreck.
 
antohan said:
I don't think you know what I was getting at since I am not justifying Dalglish and the supporters, much the opposite, I think they are the core problem, Liverpool as a whole has shown no ability to handle it, and Suarez is being taken/dragged along for that ride.

He is the central figure, but Suarez alone couldn't possibly create the mess that this has become. The whole club is a trainwreck.
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ok just to clarify, you said "he has had rubbish counselling, personally i blame the counselling"....

personally i think the handshake incident today was of his own doing and that lfc (including dalglish) expected him to shake hands with evra. sure he has had poor advice but its not the reason for todays madness.
 
Smores said:
RAWK/Liverpool can try and make it United v Liverpool as much as they want but in reality everyone without fail is disgusted by their actions.
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Pretty much. On another forum I frequent, there's a football thread, and it's almost exclusively the Liverpool fans that are defending Suarez (with one exception, who's a bloke from Uruguay). There's Newcastle and Chelsea fans in there who are saying exactly what we're saying about Liverpool, Dalglish and Suarez.
 
Smores said:
it seems like there's a RAWK member on every club's forum spouting shit and getting shot down. I reckon they dutifully tried to go out and spread the 'truth' about their saviour
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A number of them still post on Inter Milan's board, defending Rafa over a year after his sacking.
 
antohan said:
Suarez did look genuinely surprised at the dimensions it had all taken. Had someone had a quick word with him and explained he would have been out there apologising, putting it down to the heat of the moment, cultural differences and that would be that.
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Or maybe he thought he could get away with it, like he's possibly done in other countries. personally i think the eye gouging, stamping, dirty tackles etc are far worse than words and handshakes, and his actions on the pitch truly define him as a person.
 
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It's pretty obvious that Suarez was never gonna shake Evra's hand, goes straight to DDG like Evra isn't there.


It may be true that Evra didn't stick his hand out as far as he did with the other players, but claiming Suarez made an honest attempt to shake his hand but couldn't (as some Liverpool fans have) is just laughable.
 
Re: Shanklyboy's auld arse thread. « Reply #18782 on: Today at 02:16:01 AM »[/I]

Terry - that video clip is clear, there is no deviation in the angle of Suarez's arm, but a clear change in Evra's.

At the time I also wondered who Evra was gesturing to with his reaction to Suarez' refusal. It looked like there was someone stood alongside or near to the cameraman filming the line of handshakes. MOTD tonight had an elevated camera angle that showed there was nobody along side the cameraman; he was gesturing to the camera itself - drawing attention to it, another clear play to the media (if anyone has the high angle clip, please post it).

The whole thing has been a set up from start to finish (October through to now) and the media has both fallen for the trick and hyped it all the more by their coverage, no doubt aided with some carefully co-ordinated 'briefings'. It has been expertly manipulated by MUFC down to every detail, whereas we (LFC) have fallen for the con hook-line-and-sinker. Suarez's reputation is irrepairably damaged and Kenny's in danger of being drawn further in.

Quite how we move forward from here I don't know, but the club need to think long and hard before doing / saying anything further. It may be best to do nothing no matter how much more unjust we feel it is after today. We should never have entertained the idea of the handshake today...emotions were still too high. But more than that, it gave Evra/Utd the final opportunity to play the media circus. We lost today, and not only on the field of play.


I'm just glad we're so clever and plan these things so far ahead. No wonder Ferguson got a knighthood, planning all the briefings in such fine detail.

I just didn't know Liverpool and Dalglish were so dim, falling for lines, sinkers and plans.

Shanklyboy's auld arse thread.
 
B19 said:
Was pretty sure Luis didn't want to and am frankly bored to tears of it all, but to honest I don't think all is what it seems looking at those stills:

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You're a stupid deluded scouse gobshite, if that's what you think.
 
gerrydaly said:
Re: Shanklyboy's auld arse thread. « Reply #18782 on: Today at 02:16:01 AM »[/I][/B]
Terry - that video clip is clear, there is no deviation in the angle of Suarez's arm, but a clear change in Evra's.

At the time I also wondered who Evra was gesturing to with his reaction to Suarez' refusal. It looked like there was someone stood alongside or near to the cameraman filming the line of handshakes. MOTD tonight had an elevated camera angle that showed there was nobody along side the cameraman; he was gesturing to the camera itself - drawing attention to it, another clear play to the media (if anyone has the high angle clip, please post it).

The whole thing has been a set up from start to finish (October through to now) and the media has both fallen for the trick and hyped it all the more by their coverage, no doubt aided with some carefully co-ordinated 'briefings'. It has been expertly manipulated by MUFC down to every detail, whereas we (LFC) have fallen for the con hook-line-and-sinker. Suarez's reputation is irrepairably damaged and Kenny's in danger of being drawn further in.

Quite how we move forward from here I don't know, but the club need to think long and hard before doing / saying anything further. It may be best to do nothing no matter how much more unjust we feel it is after today. We should never have entertained the idea of the handshake today...emotions were still too high. But more than that, it gave Evra/Utd the final opportunity to play the media circus. We lost today, and not only on the field of play.


I'm just glad we're so clever and plan these things so far ahead. No wonder Ferguson got a knighthood, planning all the briefings in such fine detail.

I just didn't know Liverpool and Dalglish were so dim, falling for lines, sinkers and plans.
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I get precisely what I said, SAF is calling for Liverpool to sell a player he considers disgraceful for refusing to shake the hand of another player.
It's small fries compared to kicking off on opposition fans and getting yourself banned, missing a drugs test and getting yourself banned, and getting your name splashed over the papers for visiting prostitutes while your wife is pregnant, but as I said, I didn't see SAF jumping on the "sell them 'cos they're disgraceful" high horse then.
Wonder why? Because they're some of the best players ManUre have had and helped them to get to where they are today? Could be.
I pointed out his hypocritical double standard, and it seems that while most understood it, some didn't as they're in that "ignorant scousers" mindset.
You had to laugh at how ignorant the ManUre fans that criticised the booing of Evra as "racist" when it was nothing of the sort (the one racist idiot making monkey gestures was correctly arrested), and those paragons of Manc intelligence that arrived today with their KKK fanzine and the "Welcome to Klanfield" T-shirt.

Suarez admitted to using the word negrito, yes, he's of mixed-race origin himself and negrito is a term by which his own wife refers to him and which as has been mentioned before here is used as a term of endearment in Latin America much as young black men will refer to each other as "my n*****".
It's a term Suarez had heard the ManUre players using to Evra as well, and is very different to perjoratively using someones colour or words alluding to their race, as an insult, something which Evra actually admitted to doing to Suarez, however, when you can embellish the story a little to say that "he kicked me because I'm black" and then use it to have someone from your fierce old rival banned for 8 games, are you sure you don't see the gains that ManUre hoped to achieve? Shame it didn't work for you in the FA Cup.

What I was also asking, but was conveniently overlooked by some, is why the FA, who abandoned a pre-match handshake for Chelski to avoid their white, English player being involved in a similar scenario, didn't do the same for this game if as SAF has suggested a missed handshake can "start a riot"?


It was lovely to see SAF acknowledge Evra's celebrations as wrong. It's about the only sensible thing he's said today!
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I got given this on another forum.
 
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