RAWK Goes Into Meltdown (2011/2012)

B19 said:
The counsel he has received from the club has been awful. They made a fatal miscalculation in failing to realise that anti-racism must, a priori, take precedence over any and all other matters in this. Once that line was crossed, it became irrelevant how racist or non-racist anyone involved may actually have been - the signal value was that anti-racism is a stance that can be compromised.

He is a petulant twat of course, but it could easily have been played as him being a petulant twat who was accidentally ignorant and whose anti-racist feelings mattered more than being in the right in his spat with Evra, where both acted like twats.

Instead, he and the club both have signalled that anti-racism is not the most important concern. Probably not what any of them wanted or intended, but the net result anyway. Awful management. The club desperately needs a PR chief.
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They were in a tough place. He's their biggest financial asset on the team. He says he guilty, his value drops.

Obvious choice would have been to say he was trying to wing up Evra and didn't realize the true implications of the word, then apologize and give a large donation to an anti-racism group.

But....
 
Interesting reactions to this post:

Get a fecking grip of yourselves. Suarez acted like a c*nt. The still photo you are showing to try and justify him is his hand being pointed at the next man in line. He was a disgrace today, and it is about time Liverpool fans stopped blindly defending him. Call me what you like (which people no doubt will) but this has gone too far and is bringing shame to our club.
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Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez
 
Jippy said:
There's a guy from the Liverpool supporter's association on Channel 4 news just now saying Suarez was the victim of a lot of abuse and Evra got away with the abuse he gave Suarez.

The guy is Asian again- he is being ripped by Krishnan and now he is slagging Evra for 'incitement' and praising Suarez for not reacting. He is certainly on message.

'We could have done some things differently but Liverpool is a great club and has been ahead of the game tackling racism for 20 years. What happened with Suarez does not reflect Liverpool football club.':wenger:

Edit: Forgot he questioned the impartiality of the FA panel too...
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Meanwhile, you can still listen to RAWK on 606.
 
Jippy said:
There's a guy from the Liverpool supporter's association on Channel 4 news just now saying Suarez was the victim of a lot of abuse and Evra got away with the abuse he gave Suarez.

The guy is Asian again- he is being ripped by Krishnan and now he is slagging Evra for 'incitement' and praising Suarez for not reacting. He is certainly on message.

'We could have done some things differently but Liverpool is a great club and has been ahead of the game tackling racism for 20 years. What happened with Suarez does not reflect Liverpool football club.':wenger:

Edit: Forgot he questioned the impartiality of the FA panel too...
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Initially it didn't. How Liverpool Football Club as an entity reacted to what happened with Suarez does though.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
They were in a tough place. He's their biggest financial asset on the team. He says he guilty, his value drops.
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I don't think this was a consideration, or shouldn't be at any rate. For one, I think the club sees his value as a playing asset as far more important to us than him as a financial asset.

And secondly, everyone is happy to forgive and forget quickly in football because fundamentally, everyone would much rather talk about football than secondary matters. If they had made it a priority to expedite this situation quickly, it would be forgotten soon enough by most.
 
PJ said:
Initially it didn't. How Liverpool Football Club as an entity reacted to what happened with Suarez does though.
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Agreed, until he got done, but now you cannot seperate the two.
 
AlwaysRedwood said:
I wonder how Rawk would have defended this.

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Oh thats easy, saf and all supermarkets are conspiring agains them, refusing to sell food to little louise, and therefore he was starving and trying to eat the opposition. Bycott all shops and markets now!!!! Dig for victory la.
 
B19 said:
Why would I be on a wind-up. Do either look like they are demonstratively reach out to each other? Both are being half arsed, both looking away. Does Suarez not clearly extend his hand?

There was a hand there to be grapped for either party, neither made much effort. Line was moving, it looks to me like they mis-read each other and Evra took umbrage.

I don't really care that much either way, but I really don't see what is so outrageous about this given what the pictures show. The images are pretty clear: That is an extended hand, can't have been very difficult for Evra to grab it if he really wanted. I imagine it couldn't have been too difficult for Suarez to reach for Evra's either. They were both halfarsed about it.
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B19 said:
By all means.

Fwiw, I am not that invested in this. Even if what actually happened is what I just proposed I don't think it merits mention in the public sphere unless there is unequivocal video evidence showing what happened really. I am quite happy for all the rucus to die.
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B19 said:
Evra: "I'll shake his hand, but damn it I am will not show that it is a reluctant one." [looks away to signal displeasure].

Suarez: "I'll shake his hands but I sure as hell won't be making much of it." [also looks away to signal displeasure]

result: Two half-arsed hands extended do not meet.

Suarez: "Guess he didn't want to shake after all. Keep moving."

Evra: "wtf! he didn't shake." [grabs arm].
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SteveJ said:
Interesting reactions to this post:



Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez
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Someone tell them in that thread that the still they are claiming shows Suarez going to shake Evra's hand is not even Suarez!

fecking thick cnuts
 
Claiming Evra is the one who refused to shake hands, now.

This is the picture they have to back it up :

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Apparently, it is very telling. :wenger::lol:
 
Make no mistake Suarez would have celebrated in a similar manner if we had won or drawn. Forget Evra, we were inept and without passion today.
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Hallelujah - they are not all mad!
 
Nothing. It's not "post only what we agree with" here. Players and performances get criticized all the time on here.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Andy@Allerton is a laugh a minute isn't he.
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:lol:You beat me to it and he is a 'RAWK supporter legend' apparently.

IF he didn't want to shake Evra's hand SO feckING WHAT?

There are people in this world I fecking despise. If YOU said to me - Andy - you are going to fecking shake their hands.

Then I wouldn't either. Are you such a quim that you can't stand up for your own convictions? If someone fecked you over and someone said YOU MUST shake their hand - I KNOW they fecked you over. YOU KNOW they fecked you over. But be a good little boy and tell them they are right for fecking you over.

What would you do?
Personally I would probably knock them out. You'd shake their hand would you? Either you are an angel or a fecking wuss mate.
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I love that thread's progression:
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Zomg Evra didn't shake his hand, the cnut!!
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Actually, it seems it was Suarez who snubbed him
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Who cares, it's a free country, only a facist would force you to shake hands. 1948 was a warning, not a how-to guide. Well in Suarez la', fight for your freedom, YAWN.
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DomesticTadpole said:
There are some good fans, but unfortunately they get shouted down or ignored completely.
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Aye, compare and contrast.

Baz C

I agree with you (and said something similar at half time). But the way the club as a whole (Kenny, the players, the fans) has acted with this whole thing has brought that shame. It's not just his actions today, which did exacerbate things somewhat, but the whole episode. It's really been badly done all round.
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redrockydennis

Liverpool fc and it's fans have been lied about and vilified time and time again, feck yes we should defend one of our own.
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Let's face it though, just one look at our Berba thread shows you how one track and blinkered supporters can be on issues.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Out of curiosity what would happen to one of us if we did the same thing.
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well I've been posting on here about 4 years now.

I called Ronaldo that word at least 50 times during the 'will he/wont he leave' epic thread. Likewise I did the same when Rooney was caught with his hooker and then during his salary negotiations along with my constant rants on David Beckham.

I've never been challenged by a mod on those matters (or my language) and neither should I have been because all acted like ones in the cases that were being debated.

Our Mods, bless em, have the perfect balance between allowing for divisive views to be expressed and a thorough debate to be had with all angles covered, even using some slightly course language on occasion AND knowing when to step in to cool down the temperature with a gentle nudge before anything that drastic. Just look at how b19 was debated with earlier in this thread.

And Im not saying that because its a statement of bias, I would not bother investing my time here if it was myopic minded and run like a stalin prisoner camp where dissenting voices were not allowed. My self esteem would not allow me to.
 
One of them posted that in the stills, Evra had made no move towards Suarez.

Maybe he expected movement in stills? :)

This whole argument about not having to shake the hands of someone you didn't want to is pathetic - you're representing your club ffs.
 
Like that rat faced cnut traipsing out before your shower of shite, you're a fecking joke.

Semantics as an excuse cos someone wears your shirt. That's all you have.

B19 said:
This quote from Lord Ousley of Kick It Out sums it up for me:

"This charge is not saying Luis Suarez is a racist. It's saying, on this occasion, he used racist language. It doesn't make him a bad guy - he needs to learn what is acceptable."

And that is the line we should have followed ourselves. As a non-brit looking in at British culture, it's fairly obvious to me that Britain is far more wound up about racism than elsewhere and the low tolerance for it doesn't always account for cultural differences. But this to me is a virtue of British culture and I don't really have a problem with Saurez being sacrificed on the altar of zero-tolerance. Zero tolerance is better than the alternatives.
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Livvie said:
One of them posted that in the stills, Evra had made no move towards Suarez.

Maybe he expected movement in stills? :)

This whole argument about not having to shake the hands of someone you didn't want to is pathetic - you're representing your club ffs.
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They're paying more attention to Ollie's gifs than they care to admit!
 
Emmanuel Frimpong @Frimpong26AFC
Liverpool supporters saying Evra celebrated like he won the League..Am surprised They remember what that looks Like LOOOL #KingKenny

Emmanuel Frimpong @Frimpong26AFC
I have just today realised Suarez is a total wasteman Clown
 
I can understand Suarez feeling aggreived but unfortunately this isn't just about him, it is about Liverpool Football Club.

The club have been totally behind Suarez throughout the whole of this incident, he has had the Manager come out and speak solidly in his defence, he has had the players wear the t shirts and the supporters shout his name.

It is now time for Suarez to repay that support.

Only a few days ago Kenny said "People are already speculating on the pre-match ceremony, but from Luis's point of view we have spoken to him and I know he will shake the hand of Patrice Evra and the other Manchester United players before the game." and yet after all that Suarez goes and refuses to shake Evra's hand and opens the club up to all sorts of criticism, and has Kenny being questioned about his behaviour yet again.

I understand Suarez being angry, pissed off, and hating Evra's guts, but that doesn't give him the right to drag the club's name down because of that, and it certainly doesn't give him toe right to tell the Manager he will shake Evra's hand and then not do it.

LFC is more important than any one player.
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:eek::eek::eek: another rational LFC fan from RAWK - finally the madhouse seems to be being infiltrated by some people with sanity.
 
It was clear as day that suarez had no intention of shaking his hand. Evra is a twat of the highest order but I highly doubt Evra played it that way.

It's not as if Evra lied when he reported the abuse cos even Suarez admitted using the word "negro" so I don't understand all the hate Evra is getting. What is truly a disgrace is that the club chose not to fight Suarez's case to the death. We should have fought tooth and nail to clear Suarez's name. Unfortunately, we realeased a ridiculous statement which we followed up with nothing. As we had already done this, Suarez should have shook his hand and drawn a line over it. To me, it looked as if Evra was rasing his hand to shake , and Suarez snubbed him which is why he reacted so angrily.

The club has handled this horribly and our reputation has been ruined. The mancs on the other hand have played a blinder. If we played this properly, it would have been forgotten about a long time ago.
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Yet more sanity. My faith may slowly be returning....
 
What's peeing me off is the way they keep going on about how Suarez didn't do anything wrong initially, with the racist abuse.

So maybe in his eyes, he didn't say anything offensive - surely the point is that it was offensive to other people, was a recognised form of racial abuse in this country, and he should have apologised for that.
 
sammsky1 said:
Yet more sanity. My faith may slowly be returning....
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Very good post. I've always maintained that Liverpool have a lot of knowledgeable supporters in among the deluded ones. Seems I'm perhaps right after all.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Emmanuel Frimpong @Frimpong26AFC
Liverpool supporters saying Evra celebrated like he won the League..Am surprised They remember what that looks Like LOOOL #KingKenny

Emmanuel Frimpong @Frimpong26AFC
I have just today realised Suarez is a total wasteman Clown
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feck that account's real? I just thought Solius had tricked a lot of people.
 
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