I remember a month ago I did a timeline of the whole Suarez scandal (in a pisstakey way) and, since then, they've added about another 10 incidents. When will it end??!! 
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Regardless of how stubborn we might have been about the justness of the FA ruling, if we had simply made sure this message got through it was be much less serious. It's a problem that we have totally failed to mediate any repentance for even accidental slight. And when it comes to racism, that is necessary.
Actually Liv, I don't buy that argument.
We'd heard from a number of sources that a 'friendly' use of the term relies on level of friendship & acquaintance between the individuals - the sae point was made by the experts reporting for the inquiry.
When used in a confrontational manner and in that tone of voice the remarks would always be seen as insulting (as Suarez clearly intended).
This was clearly spelled out during the hearing and was effectively uncontested by LFC's counsel.
Absolutely.
It's been so badly handled. All it needed was for Suarez to apologise to the FA and to Evra, for causing offence, even if it was unintentional. Then he could have been given the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to see how it developed into such a drama.
I think we can all relate to how easy it is to offend someone racially without meaning to.
All the real RAWKites have moved into radio. First 606 and now Talksport.
After one call, Collymore just thought he had found a cult mentality among Liverpool fans.
After one call, Collymore just thought he had found a cult mentality among Liverpool fans.
There not all bonkers, fully expect him to be banned soon
I agree with you, but had Suarez apologised with the claim that it was unintentional, it would have diffused the whole issue, even if no-one really believed him.
It certainly would have been a better solution
Exactly, that is what should have happened. Unfortunately Liverpool and common sense don't go together. This could have been over weeks ago. Really don't understand why they won't let go, they are making themselves look worse by the minute.
And then Dalglish compounds it by defending Suarez's igorance.
The guy was found guilty of racial behaviour ffs. Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant - both Suarez and Dalglish should accept that what was said was offensive, and based on that alone, Dalglish should be ripping Suarez's head off for his actions today. Talk about bringing disgrace on the name of Liverpool FC.
Yes you're right, it occurred to me earlier how this would be a totally different situation if Hodgson had still been there. Bit of dignity at least
...and he would have been called a traitor for it. In common, ironically enough, with Suarez & his footballing compatriots, apparently every conflict is a 'war,' every contradiction a betrayal, no matter what is at stake; Hodgson would have been slaughtered if he hadn't taken the fight to United and the authorities.
Absolute crap to suggest that players shouldn't have to shake hands with someone they don't like.
Shaking hands is part of the Respect campaign, and therefore until that changes, the players surely don't have a choice in the matter?
Shaking hands is part of the Respect campaign, and therefore until that changes, the players surely don't have a choice in the matter?
Well just think. Think to yourself how stupid the average person really is, then just remind yourself that 50% of them are even stupider than that!
Dalglish's petulant attitude towards Geoff Shreeves, and also his refusal to attend the Press Conference, has made him, and Liverpool, look pathetic.
I hope he continues to piss the media off, won't do him or Liverpool any favours.
Yep and it wasn't even just this interview where he has acted petulant. He's done the same in some others over the last couple of months where Suarez is concerned. He knows what he's doing and the worst thing is he doesn't think that there's anything wrong in acting the way he has done.
He also managed to spend 100-million quid without finding one black player worthy.
He has become a right cantankerous old git. Cracking up.
He thinks it's noble, that he's standing up for an 'innocent man'.
He also seems to think he's some kind of wizard at handling the media and that this defensive mardy act he does with them is somehow impressive and intimidating. Doesn't seem to realise he simply reinforces the mardy alcoholic reputation he has, whilst adding 'moron' to the list.
Even if you don't like them, shaking hands before a game is just good sportsmanship regardless, no?
Saying that, I understand why you wouldn't want too after being racially abused and all this shit, but he did try! Rio didn't however, because of how Suarez acted - and I can't blame him at all
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WTF?!
Who's Natalie?
Who's Natalie?
Nicola I suppose. Who is a scouser?
The ginger one I think
I meant Nadine. Y'know, the one who regularly appears in Mail stories like: 'Ex-Girls Aloud flop Nadine sells 2-and-a-half copies of her solo album, while People's Princess Cheryl tops the charts! Hooray!'
Liverpool are closer to the relegation zone than they are to us
more stupid
What?
What do you mean? Suarez's grandfather was black I'll have you know!
My bad
Yet more comedy...
He's not very intelligent, has always been a little shit and has had rubbish counselling. Personally, I blame the counselling above all, he is a fecking football player, what the hell do they have all the rest of the staff for if not to talk some sense into technically-gifted ignorants?
The first I heard from Suarez was actually to the Uruguayan media and he sort of tried to dress it in order not to look bad but ultimately it was very clear he had resorted to racist language to wind up an opponent. His whole body language showed he was both uncomfortable and surprised by it all.
But then the reporter himself did this little "comrade" thing, sort of "come on, I wasn't born yesterday, you were winding him up, weren't you?" and Suarez sort of shrugged and smirked. In a way, he looked relieved "finally, someone gets it, it's normal isn't it?" type reaction.
I do believe there is a cultural issue. Those terms are indeed used in friendly banter and are OK. They can also be used negatively, subject to context. Players here will resort to racist language as much as any other stuff to wind up an opponent. To us it is all the same: an on-pitch wind-up in the heat fo the game. You just brush it off and get on with it. In fact, we are more offended by son of a bitch or references to mum's sisters and where they were last night than skin colour. No one gives a flying feck about skin colour to be honest as it is mostly a mixed race country.
Suarez did look genuinely surprised at the dimensions it had all taken. Had someone had a quick word with him and explained he would have been out there apologising, putting it down to the heat of the moment, cultural differences and that would be that.
Instead, everyone around him has been insisting he is innocent, he is a victim of a witch-hunt and, quite frankly, I don't think it has actually sunk in his head that he fecked up and that it isn't the world against him, it's him doing something that in the country/continent he lives in today is out of order. Which goes a long way in explaining the non-handshake, if anyone with any sense had a word with him over the last few months he would know how to behave by now. Clearly, he doesn't. Either those around him have no sense (looks the right answer really) or he is thick as pigshit (probably true as well).
Is Dalglish the one with the short fat hairy legs.