Welbeck's and Valencia's handshakes were extremely half-arsed. Good on them, I say.
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Just stop it now. Suarez clearly deliberately breezes past Evra - blanks him in fact. Everyone, bar none, in the media is saying what a twat Suarez is for doing that. Nobody is even debating for one second that Evra might have not wanted to shake. So just drop it please, you are making yourself look deluded, and small-time.
Well, that is the one thing I would rather not be commended for. I don't care much for tribalism without regard for reason or morality.
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Justifying it to the world.............to be honest this cnut wouldnt be getting too many handshakes his way eitherway. thus his point is invalid from the off.
Justifying it to the world.............to be honest this cnut wouldnt be getting too many handshakes his way eitherway. thus his point is invalid from the off.
I have to agree with this , I thought B19 was one of the normal Liverpool fans , but this shows the complete opposite , B19 has let himself down.
The thing is though, that Suarez is such a base individual that one rather latches on to any of his indiscretions . Bottom line is : He IS such a bad guy
Been a bunch of comments and replies made out of sync with how the debate developed and since I can't be bothered reply to them all, I am just gonna leave those that aren't in reply to the latest ones I made.
well... yeah. duh.
I think so too. And he is one of their more acceptable and rational fans I've always thought
The pictures are laughable. Before Suarez and Evra meet, Suarez shakes hands with our mascot, who's about 4 foot tall. Suarez's hand is down at ballsack level. Evra has his hand out to shake hands, then moves his hand down to meet Suarez's. Suarez at no point moves his hand towards Evra, no matter what still shots you want to use to contort the truth.
Scousers wonder why they're hated, why they have a bad reputation. It's because of incidents like this. Instead of accepting blame for Suarez's initial racial abuse of Evra, they made things 10 times worse with their reaction, trying to act the innocent party, the victims. After all of the tension and confrontation, Evra gave Suarez a chance to settle the matter and put it in the past, but he declined. Instead of accepting that this was the wrong thing to do, they now look for any possible way of getting out of any blame again. Once again, they're the victims and Evra was the one who refused to shake hands. Pathetic.
Scousers wonder why they're hated, why they have a bad reputation. It's because of incidents like this. Instead of accepting blame for Suarez's initial racial abuse of Evra, they made things 10 times worse with their reaction, trying to act the innocent party, the victims. After all of the tension and confrontation, Evra gave Suarez a chance to settle the matter and put it in the past, but he declined. Instead of accepting that this was the wrong thing to do, they now look for any possible way of getting out of any blame again. Once again, they're the victims and Evra was the one who refused to shake hands. Pathetic.
Got to hand it to you, you are at least, tenacious
Seriously, I know I've said it before, but I'd leave any United forum if it was modded in the way this place is.
I know on here we have our whoppers and wums, but surely a dissenting voice or two only leads to parity and rationality.
Inhabiting a place where only the mods' views are acceptable defies not only democracy, but the internet in general.
Absolute mentalists.
I know on here we have our whoppers and wums, but surely a dissenting voice or two only leads to parity and rationality.
Inhabiting a place where only the mods' views are acceptable defies not only democracy, but the internet in general.
Absolute mentalists.
Lot of talking past each other the past two pages since we aren't talking in realtime.
I don't mind clarifying, but I'd prefer to reply to those who have read through the last two pages to the end before commenting. I am lazy like that.
Just call them Snowball and Napoleon, united fans bad, scouse fans good
By 'Shook' about halfway down.
FAO gobshites who think Suarez let us down by not shaking Evras hand...
Actually, to put it in context, he is saying it about the FA scrapping the QPR-Chelsea handshake judging by the quote he links too- didn't notice that before- was just a bit shocked when I saw it.
Are people still suggesting that Suarez didn't blank him?
At RAWK:
Re: Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez « Reply #17 on: Today at 06:26:25 PM »
this is about his character - a devious cheat and a framer. but what he didn't know that there was a top view camera to expose his slight of hand at that moment. he should be exposed and destroyed. This is educational too as I never expected the media to be so organised in england in that they are a gang of henchmen instructed by a top monkey to disseminate lies with such consistency and without investigation.
Evil men prevail when good men do nothing about it. cowards talk people down who try to do something about it.
Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez
Re: Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez « Reply #17 on: Today at 06:26:25 PM »
this is about his character - a devious cheat and a framer. but what he didn't know that there was a top view camera to expose his slight of hand at that moment. he should be exposed and destroyed. This is educational too as I never expected the media to be so organised in england in that they are a gang of henchmen instructed by a top monkey to disseminate lies with such consistency and without investigation.
Evil men prevail when good men do nothing about it. cowards talk people down who try to do something about it.
Evra Pulls His Hand Away From Luis Suarez
Jesus, does every post at RAWK sound like a voiceover from The World at War?
To me this sums it up as well but means something different. He's not inherently racist just a horrible person who looking to aggravate his opponent who used racist language for the effect without the moral compass to know it was beyond the pale.
He's not a racist just throughly despicable
And the fact he's not willing to make any apology, the fact he tried to revise what he said to get out of trouble and refuses to see any of it as wrong suggests a person whose egocentric view of the world does not consider anyone else, not the good of his club, not his own team-mates, and most especially not Evra who he wronged.
This is, however, also from RAWK:
The more Suarez is told by our supporters that he can do no wrong, the more he seems to believe it - and for me that's a dangerous thing.
The way he's idolised on this forum reminds me of my daughter's teenage obsession with Take That. Love overrides reason. Devotion overrides objectivity. The same thing happened with Torres and to a lesser extent Meireles.
I see people saying they're 'made up' and 'buzzing' after the match, simply because he scored. What the feck is that about? We lose to them and immediately after we have our own supporters made up and buzzing?
Maybe - probably, even - I'm just becoming a grumpy arl arse, but I just find it strange to see.
The more Suarez is told by our supporters that he can do no wrong, the more he seems to believe it - and for me that's a dangerous thing.
The way he's idolised on this forum reminds me of my daughter's teenage obsession with Take That. Love overrides reason. Devotion overrides objectivity. The same thing happened with Torres and to a lesser extent Meireles.
I see people saying they're 'made up' and 'buzzing' after the match, simply because he scored. What the feck is that about? We lose to them and immediately after we have our own supporters made up and buzzing?
Maybe - probably, even - I'm just becoming a grumpy arl arse, but I just find it strange to see.
They're using stills with deceptive angles to fight for their 'justice' rather than the footage itself, that's the beauty of it all. Knowingly lying for justice.
They have no self-respect whatsoever. They also think the general public and sporting media can't see the whole incident if they circulate a deceptive still.
And they try to make it out that Evra planned it all. How could Evra have known Suarez would swat him away when he attempted to pull him back for the handshake? Evra is a new level of cunning genius.
They have no self-respect whatsoever. They also think the general public and sporting media can't see the whole incident if they circulate a deceptive still.
And they try to make it out that Evra planned it all. How could Evra have known Suarez would swat him away when he attempted to pull him back for the handshake? Evra is a new level of cunning genius.
Good post from him, but I suspect he's only one of a few
Just, wow.
Evra told SAF in the morning he would be shaking his hand.
The thick cnuts are using a still which is AFTER Suarez has blanked Evra to make out it was Evra blanking him.
Quite amusing really. Suarez is a complete coward. He can't even look Evra in the eye.
Fergie summed it up perfectly for me. The respect I did have for Liverpool, and believe me it was there, is pretty much gone after this whole saga which they have handled ridiculously.
I can hand on heart say this would not have happened at our club and for that I am thankful.
The whole world can now see what type of "man" Suarez really is after today. From start to finish he was a disgrace with his petulance and demeanor.
Quite amusing really. Suarez is a complete coward. He can't even look Evra in the eye.
Fergie summed it up perfectly for me. The respect I did have for Liverpool, and believe me it was there, is pretty much gone after this whole saga which they have handled ridiculously.
I can hand on heart say this would not have happened at our club and for that I am thankful.
The whole world can now see what type of "man" Suarez really is after today. From start to finish he was a disgrace with his petulance and demeanor.
Well it sounds like a great description of King Kenny.
Of course. And if he was to call 606 now he might also be of the few there, as most of the calls on there tonight are either defending Suarez, making the claim that it was Evra who pulled his hand away and /or the old stuff about cultural misunderstandings.
I wonder how Rawk would have defended this.
I joked on the way home from the match (didn't find out about the handshake issue until after) that Liverpool would twist this around to be Evra's fault.I didn't believe it would actually happen though. What strange people.
He was merely biting the price tag out of the guy's shirt to save his embarrassment.
The counsel he has received from the club has been awful. They made a fatal miscalculation in failing to realise that anti-racism must, a priori, take precedence over any and all other matters in this. Once that line was crossed, it became irrelevant how racist or non-racist anyone involved may actually have been - the signal value was that anti-racism is a stance that can be compromised.
He is a petulant twat of course, but it could easily have been played as him being a petulant twat who was accidentally ignorant and whose anti-racist feelings mattered more than being in the right in his spat with Evra, where both acted like twats.
Instead, he and the club both have signalled that anti-racism is not the most important concern. Probably not what any of them wanted or intended, but the net result anyway. Awful management. The club desperately needs a PR chief.
btw are they claiming that Rio should have been sent off for that perfectly legitimate tackle around 45th minute?
Exactly. It's a sign of affection in Uruguay. They bite the tags off designer clothes off in Montevideo to make the poor blacks feel at home.
It goes along with the Liverpool view though...
Everybody in the world thinks one thing, United fans, fans of other teams, pundits, nearly everybody... they all see and think one thing.
LFC must then take the opposite view to this... and believe they are 100% correct.
Everybody in the world thinks one thing, United fans, fans of other teams, pundits, nearly everybody... they all see and think one thing.
LFC must then take the opposite view to this... and believe they are 100% correct.
yeah but that dickhead on Sky Sports said the same many times, he even said that Rio got the ball first but still wanted him sent off
"Yeah.
Refusing to shake the hand of the person who's single-handly made a whole country think you're racist by lying to an FA panal who where more than happy to dish out an 8-game ban to make themselves look good to FIFA makes you a child."
wtf
Refusing to shake the hand of the person who's single-handly made a whole country think you're racist by lying to an FA panal who where more than happy to dish out an 8-game ban to make themselves look good to FIFA makes you a child."
wtf
There's a guy from the Liverpool supporter's association on Channel 4 news just now saying Suarez was the victim of a lot of abuse and Evra got away with the abuse he gave Suarez.
The guy is Asian again- he is being ripped by Krishnan and now he is slagging Evra for 'incitement' and praising Suarez for not reacting. He is certainly on message.
'We could have done some things differently but Liverpool is a great club and has been ahead of the game tackling racism for 20 years. What happened with Suarez does not reflect Liverpool football club.'
Edit: Forgot he questioned the impartiality of the FA panel too...
The guy is Asian again- he is being ripped by Krishnan and now he is slagging Evra for 'incitement' and praising Suarez for not reacting. He is certainly on message.
'We could have done some things differently but Liverpool is a great club and has been ahead of the game tackling racism for 20 years. What happened with Suarez does not reflect Liverpool football club.'
Edit: Forgot he questioned the impartiality of the FA panel too...