How about this, when he wants to shake somebody's hand, ie Ferdinand, he holds his hand out for a second or so waiting for him to shake before Rio rejects him. With Evra he breezes past.
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How about this, when he wants to shake somebody's hand, ie Ferdinand, he holds his hand out for a second or so waiting for him to shake before Rio rejects him. With Evra he breezes past.
Mate, stop it. You're making an utter fool of yourself.
I had you down as a man with a certain degree of honour, stop digging this ridicilous hole for yourself.
Suarez and especially Kenny Dalglish has removed basically all of the respect I once had for Liverpool as a club, and what's left is quickly removed by the ignorant supporters STILL not acknowledging that they're in the wrong in this case.
I have mates who're usually intelligent, considered individuals, who are adamant this whole thing is a media conspiracy and that Suarez and LFC have been the victims in this saga. I mean, where do you even start with those?
FFS, can't you just, for once, look around yourselves, acknowledge that a united footballing world is pointing out that you're embarassing yourselves, and stop it? Perhaps, just maybe, it could be that the fact that even Man City-supporters are hoping you lose to United when they're in a direct title fight with us say something about to what degree Liverpool Football Club are making utter arses of themselves in public?
Dalglish, Suarez, and blind, ignorant supporters have dragged Liverpool's name through the mud. And I wish it hadn't happened, honestly, because it's used to be a great club, with a proud history and a loyal fanbase.
SAF has clearly manipulated the media again. As it is being reported everywhere that Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand.
It's like they are brainwashed. Even B9 and some of the decent Liverpool fans I know in real life have this blind spot when it comes to Suarez
B19, Evra had cause not to want to. The guy racially abused him. He stood up for himself and got further abused for it. This arrogant buck toothed chipmunk prick caused the stir, complained all through his punishment that it wasn't his fault, then came back and it was a face to face. Of course Evra is going to be less than happy, but regardless he put his arm out, he didn't throw it to him as if he was greeting his best mate because he wasn't greeting his best mate but he knew that he needed to put it to bed and he put his arm out.
Suarez who was the cause of this, who was in the wrong, who needed to just man up, accept what he did and move on decided in his infinite wisdom to ignore the man he insulted and wronged and just move on. Suarez has more of a reason to go for the handshake than Evra does, since he's the one who owes the apology. He's the one in the wrong, he should be making the effort to show that it's behind him. Instead like a petulant brat he ignored the invitation and showed everybody that he's learnt nothing from his ban, isn't interested in putting the issue to bed, and just stirred it up again.
Suarez should have been grabbing Evras hand whether it was extended or not. Preferably followed by an 'I'm sorry' but the second part is probably a bit of a stretch when it comes to him. Then again so was the first part.
Suarez who was the cause of this, who was in the wrong, who needed to just man up, accept what he did and move on decided in his infinite wisdom to ignore the man he insulted and wronged and just move on. Suarez has more of a reason to go for the handshake than Evra does, since he's the one who owes the apology. He's the one in the wrong, he should be making the effort to show that it's behind him. Instead like a petulant brat he ignored the invitation and showed everybody that he's learnt nothing from his ban, isn't interested in putting the issue to bed, and just stirred it up again.
Suarez should have been grabbing Evras hand whether it was extended or not. Preferably followed by an 'I'm sorry' but the second part is probably a bit of a stretch when it comes to him. Then again so was the first part.
You posted a video from an angle which meant you couldn't see either players hands, and you think that is the video which might prove anything?
FFS.
Really, you are throwing battles in my face I haven't fought at all. I think the club's PR in all this has been nothing less than a disaster and it's ridiculous that we have a situation where a player who was not convicted of intentional racism has created a scenario wherein the club comes out looking like trivialising racism or defending it. And I had already been saying earlier today that Suarez let the club down with it after Kenny told the press he would shake his hand.
My stances on all that are really not related to what I am saying here.
And fwiw, I hope the club doesn't pursue this, even if it is as I suggested. It would basically just come across as more obstinacy.
I was about to post this. The fact that he doesn't do this and just keeps on walking means that Suarez is the bad guy. How little Evra wanted the handshake becomes irrelevant. Evra clearly raises his hand anyway and it's there for Suarez to grab.
Just look at how long Suarez waits for Rio to raise his hand. It's fecking obvious he didn't plan to shake Evra's hand.
You know, B19, in other threads , you can make such insightful intelligent conversation that I think you are letting yourself down here and very badly at that . I commend you for standing up for your team on another team's site, but you are being incredibly short sighted.
B19 I can't believe you are still arguing over this. You went from the stills to having super slow motion footage and your argument hasn't changed. Amazing.
Why are you making excuses for him? I cannot honestly fathom how you could argue, from for example the latest video postet, that Suarez didn't blank Evra? It's just plain for you to see!
Grow up.
Jesus Christ, the depths you people will go to in order to obscure the obvious.
Let me know when Suarez does not act like a 5 year old cnut, because that will actually be worthy of a headline.
Congrats on your team quitting today like they never did under Hodgson. Never actually watched a team just stop playing.
I'm sure if Roy Hodgson had still been in charge, this whole sordid affair would have been handled much better
What you aren't fathoming is that I am not making excuses for him and have no interest in doing so since footballers are cnuts. You won't find a single instance of me making excuses for him in this saga at all prior to this. I posted because I thought it wasn't quite what it looks like.
Good point, actually.
Tbf to B19, unlike any other scouse supporter on the Caf, he hasn't mindlessly waded into this Racism debate and just defended Liverpool blind-foldedly. Possibly the only Liverpool supporter I've seen who hasn't been a disgrace in this whole thing.
Looks like Rio and maybe Wellbeck didn't shake the cnut's hand.
It just occurred to me . Things would have been very different . There wouldn't have been any t shirts for one thing
"A player that was not convicted of intentional racism"....
It was accidental racism. What a load of fecking shite. If you walked into work & referred to someone based on their skin colour in any way, you'd be fecked out.
As for "you hope the club doesn't pursue" what? fecking hell, are you saying that they may pursue something that happened today?
People need to chill a bit to be honest. Sure, B19 is a Liverpool fan and his first few posts on the matter probably weren't the best worded ones, but since then he's just been trying to argue the case from another point of view. He's been open to evidence proving him wrong, which is all you can ask for really. Think a lot of people on here are jumping on him too quickly because of what other Liverpool fans have said, rather than what B19 actually has said.
"A player that was not convicted of intentional racism"....
What a load of fecking shite. If you walked into work & referred to someone based on their skin colour in any way, you'd be fecked out.
As for "you hope the club doesn't pursue" what? fecking hell, are you saying that they may pursue something that happened today?
I noticed the intentional racism quote. This is the official LFC party line, which no one should overstep. You're all mindless sheep
This is really sad, B19.
Rio definitely didn't shake Suarez' hand. Welbeck didn't really make a move to shake his hand, I think Suarez more made the move and shook Welbeck's hand, but Welbeck didn't even look near him when it happened.
So do we think Suarez deliberately ignored Evra because he thoughthe did nothing wrong, and didn't see why he should shake his hand, or because he knew it would inflame Evra and maybe put him off his game?
"A player that was not convicted of intentional racism"....
What a load of fecking shite. If you walked into work & referred to someone based on their skin colour in any way, you'd be fecked out.
As for "you hope the club doesn't pursue" what? fecking hell, are you saying that they may pursue something that happened today?
This quote from Lord Ousley of Kick It Out sums it up for me:
"This charge is not saying Luis Suarez is a racist. It's saying, on this occasion, he used racist language. It doesn't make him a bad guy - he needs to learn what is acceptable."
And that is the line we should have followed ourselves. As a non-brit looking in at British culture, it's fairly obvious to me that Britain is far more wound up about racism than elsewhere and the low tolerance for it doesn't always account for cultural differences. But this to me is a virtue of British culture and I don't really have a problem with Saurez being sacrificed on the altar of zero-tolerance. Zero tolerance is better than the alternatives.
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More like a post from Stormfront...You can only hope they are joking
More like a post from Stormfront...You can only hope they are jokingI think he was ignorant enough to beleive the Liverpool party line. I think he really thinks he is not racist - but he is.
To wind him up. Seemed obvious to me. That's what he does. That's what he's always trying to do.
Backfired today.
I'd be surprised if Suarez consciously did it for either of those reasons. I personally think he ignored Evra purely because he's a poisonous dwarf of a man. Barring John Terry, I honestly cannot think of another player I dislike, not just as a person but as a player as well, more than Suarez after today. Even Tevez seems like a nice chap compared to this guy.
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Jesus, link?
Happy to help you see the light
That's actually not the same as "unintentional racism," as you called it. By saying "unintentional racism" you are saying there was no intent and he is essentially not guilty of racism. You have taken the Dalglish stance.
He intentionally used racist language. Until you admit that, you're being obstinant.
I thought you were talking about Evra for a sec. But I agree, I think that Suarez doesn't care, he thought his punishment was wrong, he doesn't agree with it, he sees Evra as the guy that cost him 8 games rather than the guy he racially abused. He thinks Evra is in the wrong and not himself. cnut.
ok.
At least Terry knows what he did was wrong - so he denies it. Suarez is ignorant enought to think that while he admitted he said everything Evra accused him of, he wasnt in the wrong
the mass delusion on the kop side will continue.
those sad feckers will go to their graves insisting that the FA and every other team in the premier league is in chorts against them. and there's nothing that you and I can do to help them so it's just best to ignore them.
I didn't think I'd have to add Daglish to that group but after the last week I've had reason to change my mind.
those sad feckers will go to their graves insisting that the FA and every other team in the premier league is in chorts against them. and there's nothing that you and I can do to help them so it's just best to ignore them.
I didn't think I'd have to add Daglish to that group but after the last week I've had reason to change my mind.