Where and what is this "potential" people keep banging on about?
He's absolutely rubbish and he'd be lucky to play for Everton or palace.
He's absolutely rubbish and he'd be lucky to play for Everton or palace.
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- Goals
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- Assists
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) review both the Everton and Bodø/Glimt victories at Old Trafford. Listen to the guys discuss 2 wins and 7 goals in the last week, analyse of the Amorim formation, focus on Amad and how he is playing, and also take a look at Hojlund, Rashford & Zirkzee – who starts v Arsenal?
Im still think the main issue here is that nobody provides for him. Everytime is a misplaced pass or a shot outside the box from the other players (expect Amad) . No striker would succeed here.
Have to agree with that current situation. Hopefully new manager and new ideas can improve things.
I think the idea with 2 x 10s behind the striker should in theory provide a lot more service. He needs to start getting into dangerous positions and we need to sort out our pressing too. Once these things happen I fancy the likes of Mount Amad and Bruno to find him earlier. I’m not sure where Garnacho or Rashford fit into this new team. I’d currently be more nervous if I was them than Rasmus.
To be honest, I am a bit fed up of repeating myself but since I assume you're referring to me I'm going to say this one last time. A 20 year old striker who put the ball in the net 18 times has potential. How can you argue otherwise? No one is saying world class potential, but potential comes in various levels. Potential does not mean elite potential or equivalent to the potential Messi had.
He absolutely has plenty of potential. One Ruben gets up to speed with the squad he could have a similar impact to Gyokeres at SCP.
Yeah, in theory, he should be getting more chances, but rightnow I think he is frustrated with the low numbers and its understandable given his age. Rashford is a lost cause for me, Garnacho needs to start improving his game (decisions) because those legs wont last forever.
I wasn't referring to you at all. I've been saying it for months now. I can't see the hype some people have for him. If it's not world class potential then he has no place at United. How much time do we waste on players like this. There's a reason we are currently where we are in the league and it's because players that clearly aren't good enough and never will be are playing for us week in week out.
Combination of both. Hojlunds game has regressed without a doubt both on and off the ball this year. But if it’s not already evident we do a pretty crap job involving our striker apart from the occasional hopeful hoof. I though Rashford was poor yesterday but even he made runs 3 separate times that should have been found by both Eriksen and Garnacho.
Getting better creators as wingbacks will help as will pushing Amad into the 10. But he’s not helping himself either
Sorry, I don't agree with you. I don't know what your definition of world class is, but most of our players under SAF weren't, and a team is never going to have a squad full of world class players. Solskjær, Sheringham, Hernandez, Yorke etc, none of them were world class. And you can add a bunch of other players too in other positions.
Take a look at Liverpool, for instance, far ahead of the rest, winning every game. How many of those players are world class? Salah? Who else?
This doesn't mean I think Højlund is guaranteed to be a great striker, but in my opinion, I think that in his mid twenties, he will be a very good PL striker. And no, we shouldn't wait for that. We need to get in a top striker now, preferably Gyokeres.
His movement is very, very poor and so are his decisions. He's not doing himself any favours. I still hope it's an confidence issue.
Do you remember how he ran and positioned himself last season? Especially in the beginning he always made good runs without getting the ball and were really unlucky with disallowed goals he scored because he was in the right place (the Rashford assist ruled out for being just over the back line for example).
I’m genuinely curious to know why you and others so tenaciously write him off when he has already shown he can do excactly what you demand from him. You might want to read this:
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/a...-bergamo-202223-scout-report-tactics-analysis
“With his intelligent movement, power, pace, and ability to score a range of goals (…)”
Those scout reports from web pages are nonsense. For example;
"Zirkzee possesses good acceleration and agility, which enables him to be a threat running in-behind defence"
Anyway, Hojlund did show that he can finish. And he did show that he can outpace defenders. But positioning and movement he never showed and tbh, i don't know how you can claim that he did. That is his major flaw from day one here.
And again; i didn't write him off. I write him off in terms that he is not and should not be leading striker for big club. He can be decent cover for us or leading striker for midtable club. United first choice no9? No.
If i will be proved wrong in future then absolutely perfect.
Well, this one is quite accurate and based on his performances at Atalanta. But if you don’t believe that there are plenty of more authoritative sources to quote - Gasoerini for example, or Hojlunds manager at Sturm Graz who said this when he got sold to us:
“Hojlund has always been a self-confident boy, he even seems cocky if you don’t know him.
He has flair, speed and an above-average footballing intelligence."
I thought you wrote him off by saying he doesn’t possess football intelligence but maybe misunderstood. And even with Amorim in I’m not sure he should be our main striker either. But you’re wrong about his movement. It has changed a lot since he came here, for the worse.
We are getting there now.
I judge him by performances here, not Atalanta because i didn't watch him in Atalanta. And Seria A is different league than PL. Many players failed here and kicked ass in Italy.
Also, i do think that he lacks football (striker) IQ to be top class player.
Look; i think that team which want to win major trophies need to have one world class forward. In this system, where striker is basically only classic forward player and is focal point of all attacks, that striker must be top, top class.
I just don't see it in Hojlund. And, from personal side, i never was a fan of players with dodgy technique and opposite. I have soft spot for players who have good technique (Eriksen, Shaw, Martial........Zirkzee
).Rashford scored from the first time he touched the ball on Monday. Amad, Bruno, Garnacho still seem to be getting at the end of chances much more frequently compared to Hojlund.
The main issue are his instincts are wrong and technique & balance is on poor level. There's a chance he's super low on confidence and this will all be magically fixed, but he's way way off at the moment.
Still think we should loan him out.
just looking at his stats for the last 5 games for club and country (2 were 20mins), he's only had 3 shots altogether
I've been team Hojlund for a long time and still hold out a little hope given his raw attributes, but then I think that he's been coached for a good chunk of time by RVN and still shows absolutely no instinct whatsoever for where the ball is going to be.
Maybe under Amorim we can become more systemised or whatever that phrase is, but Hojlund is like the anti-Chicharito in terms of finding space and being there. Whether it's him avoiding the ball or the ball avoiding him, it doesn't really matter.
Maybe under Amorim we can become more systemised or whatever that phrase is, but Hojlund is like the anti-Chicharito in terms of finding space and being there. Whether it's him avoiding the ball or the ball avoiding him, it doesn't really matter.
Let's wait for our attack to click to some reasonable extent before writing him off. He looked decent under Ruud and didn't even start the last game.
I think the mental aspect can be coached and he has enough raw tools (pace, power, variety in the finish) to be a decent striker.
I think the mental aspect can be coached and he has enough raw tools (pace, power, variety in the finish) to be a decent striker.
Yeah lets wait until we keep making chances for him and he still Lukaku'd all of them. Too early to write him off.
Højlund actually has a pretty good conversation rate. So not sure where you get Lukaku vibes from?
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/rasmus-hojlund-impressive-shot-conversion-rate
He does lack service, but also confidence. He has a great shot on him but doesn't shoot much. I know the angle is tight but all strikers are gamblers. Just shoot!
What does he excel?
Because he has been poor and lacks basic skills. One poster made a great summary about him and it is true unfortunately
If a 20 year old Gyokeres or Watkins played for us, you would have said the exactly the same. You are not a scout or an expert. You don't know his ceiling or how good he could potentially be.
And that’s fair and fine, which means he should not be leading the line for an elite club like Man United, not if we are serious about returning to the summit. He’s a great young talented striker who should be our back option, learning his trade from an elite number 9 Like Gykores, Osimhen, Bonaface, L Martinez.
We need a major overhaul of our striking option, Rasmus at 21 is perfect for the back up role right now.
If Hojlund is half as good as Lukaku, he will be a player for United.
As of 14 November 2024, Lukaku is his country's top scorer with 85 goals in 120 appearances, and ranks as the second-highest European men's international goalscorer, behind only Cristiano Ronaldo.
A lot just can’t get past their own personal dislike of Lukaku, it’s bizarre.
Well, nobody knows. That is why we share our opinions based on what we see.
Problem here is that you and @Schmeichels pinky for example use his age for prediction and some of us use his current abilities.
By your standards Gore, Amass, Wheatley...are all future stars then? Because we don't know what their ceiling is but they are all young.
For young players potential/ceiling is judged by current abilities which are "base" for future. Answer me finally what exactly are Hojlund's traits based on which you think that he "has great potential"?
Superb technique?
Excellent ball control?
Strong in air?
Ability to get in chances?
Dribble?
Hold up play?
Strong shot and good pace is hardly something which can be called as great potential.
Saka, Foden, Mainoo, Garnacho, Gvardiol......those were players for who you could say "they have great potential" when they were 18. Hojlund is not in that tier.
Yep. Funny shit. One of most lethal strikers in last 10 years is used for comparison "how shit someone is".
Not sure Garnacho should be with those other names. He's closer to Hojlund than he is those other talents in terms of potential.
Problem with that is that most of the players in PL or the world in general weren't massively rated as young players. So of course it is rather more likely that a player will be better as they age. It is not always the case, but more often than not, it is. You can't state for a fact that a player won't reach certain levels based on their current abilities. They develop, and traits that weren't clearly present at 20 years old may come later.
I don't get why you bring academy players who have done nothing at professional level into this, while Højlund has already shown a much higher level in PL and CL.
As for your question, I've commented on this before to you but you didn't reply back. And the problem here is that you compare actual elite talents to him. He can't potentially be a good player without being a generational 18 year old talent? He isn't in that tier, and that is fine. Very, very few players are. Like I said, most top players were not considered elite talents at 18.
The stats paint a clear picture. He finds himself in good positions often, more so than our other realistic striker options (Rashford and Zirkzee). He also is a decent finisher with a good conversion rate, but that is a complicated story. If you’re only ever shooting when you have expect higher chance of conversion, then your conversion rate will be high but total output will be low and total shots will be low, which is the case here. More worrying is that it makes you easier to defend if you’re known to not shoot often (close passing lanes and you don’t need to get too close, which also makes take ons harder).
Like many in our team, he needs to be braver and take more risks. Strikers are like predators in nature, you have to try and take risks and fail often.
Someone make him watch the Ole video with the “fecking shoot”.
Like many in our team, he needs to be braver and take more risks. Strikers are like predators in nature, you have to try and take risks and fail often.
Someone make him watch the Ole video with the “fecking shoot”.
Sometimes you wish he'd even try and test the keeper from outside the box, anything that can cause a hint of danger. Right now he's like a bull with its horns removed, just not nearly enough threat.
I think people still have hope for Hojlund because he did do it for United in the PL, and in the CL, last season.
He’s obviously capable.
What is going on with him now exactly is baffling though. I thought it was confidence then he scored that beautiful dink finish against Brentford (something you only really do when in full flow) but nothing happened since.
Really odd.
He’s obviously capable.
What is going on with him now exactly is baffling though. I thought it was confidence then he scored that beautiful dink finish against Brentford (something you only really do when in full flow) but nothing happened since.
Really odd.
No he doesn’t work in an office.
But seriously, work rate, hold up play, finishing and strength to hold off defenders. He isn’t currently the complete article or ready to be our starting no.9 but that’s on Murtough and the club, not the player.
He has the building blocks to become a very good striker, and a similar style to Gyokeres so it’s hopeful that Amo can mould him into a goal machine.
Yeah, work rate isn't a skill...No he doesn’t work in an office.
But seriously, work rate, hold up play, finishing and strength to hold off defenders. He isn’t currently the complete article or ready to be our starting no.9 but that’s on Murtough and the club, not the player.
He has the building blocks to become a very good striker, and a similar style to Gyokeres so it’s hopeful that Amo can mould him into a goal machine.
Neither do you and he could be absolutely rubbish. Who knows.
Wasn’t asked about ‘skill’ - I was asked what he excels at, and he is consistently a hard worker. He keeps trying. That is an attribute Amorim will value.
Exactly, I don't, so I don't state things I don't know as facts, like a few selected do here.