It depends on what you think Rashford the player though, right. We’ve seen a much harder working player who was much more successful in the past. Is that his level and this is a prolonged dip? Has his injury permanently hampered him? It it mental struggles?
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It depends on what you think Rashford the player though, right. We’ve seen a much harder working player who was much more successful in the past. Is that his level and this is a prolonged dip? Has his injury permanently hampered him? It it mental struggles?
Very much agree with the bolded. I can’t speak for other clubs but the way this fanbase talk with such vitriol about players makes me wonder why many bother. It’s at a point where certain players failures off the pitch are celebrated more than anything done on it."Marcus Rashford was the youngest of five siblings, who were looked after by their single mother Melani Maynard. The England international has previously detailed that his mother had to work multiple jobs to feed their family, sometimes skipping meals herself to ensure Rashford and his siblings ate. During his BBC Breakfast appearance, Rashford claimed that he remembers being hungry while growing up, but never complained because he knew that his mother was doing the best she could. The 23-year-old said, "If there was food on the table, there was food on the table. If there's not, I had friends who understood my situation and maybe it was possible for me to go to their house to get some food."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...star-struggled-for-food-during-childhood.html
I've said it before and il say it again - the worst thing about this club is its fans. Imagine the rest of his family being confused when Rashford lies about his family being poor and hungry growing up
Liverpool fans are much much better people with a relation to football.
With all respect to his childhood and problems it has nothing to do what he does on the pitch as football player. People need to seperate those things."Marcus Rashford was the youngest of five siblings, who were looked after by their single mother Melani Maynard. The England international has previously detailed that his mother had to work multiple jobs to feed their family, sometimes skipping meals herself to ensure Rashford and his siblings ate. During his BBC Breakfast appearance, Rashford claimed that he remembers being hungry while growing up, but never complained because he knew that his mother was doing the best she could. The 23-year-old said, "If there was food on the table, there was food on the table. If there's not, I had friends who understood my situation and maybe it was possible for me to go to their house to get some food."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...star-struggled-for-food-during-childhood.html
I've said it before and il say it again - the worst thing about this club is its fans. Imagine the rest of his family being confused when Rashford lies about his family being poor and hungry growing up
Liverpool fans are much much better people with a relation to football.
He isn’t the first or sadly not last with childhood like that but that doesn’t give him or anyone playing football at high level any free card from criticism when they play badly.
He needs now to make some priorities. At 24 he is not a child. If I was in his shoes I would concentrate wholehearted on football. To save career. If he wants to play on highest level. Because right now it is going downhill. No social media for couple of months, no flying around world under break, no ”Jobs” outside football. When he start playing like he did couple of years ago he can continue with other things as long as it doesn’t affect him badly in some way.
Last, give his mother and every parent in those situations a medal. They do amazing work for their children.
I can't stand them. I'd love to ban the lot from this forum, would be a much happier place.
And what did I say linked to his football?
People are calling him a narcissist self centred person because he is charitably helping things that actually effected him when he was younger. There is nothing else about it.
His football is a different story. Ever since his injury he hasn't had a single full good game for both Ole and Rangnick aswell as for England.
Plenty of players "lose it" or have to adapt their game after injuries (Kaka is one of the most famous ones or Michael Owen) - but when it might be happening/have happened to one of our players then its got some shit about how him having some PR and writing books for Children because he doesn't care about football but wants to continue growing his head.
"Marcus Rashford was the youngest of five siblings, who were looked after by their single mother Melani Maynard. The England international has previously detailed that his mother had to work multiple jobs to feed their family, sometimes skipping meals herself to ensure Rashford and his siblings ate. During his BBC Breakfast appearance, Rashford claimed that he remembers being hungry while growing up, but never complained because he knew that his mother was doing the best she could. The 23-year-old said, "If there was food on the table, there was food on the table. If there's not, I had friends who understood my situation and maybe it was possible for me to go to their house to get some food."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...star-struggled-for-food-during-childhood.html
I've said it before and il say it again - the worst thing about this club is its fans. Imagine the rest of his family being confused when Rashford lies about his family being poor and hungry growing up
Liverpool fans are much much better people with a relation to football.
You appear to be quite active in this thread and doesn’t look embarrassed at all.
Reminds me of an article about how shy Rashford was by asking coaching / feedback from Ole.
Rashford is a Manchester United football player. That is his primary job. He is failing miserably in that. He is not even making an effort.
The fans pay part of his salary. They have a right to be upset. He is putting more effort in things outside of football now.
Whatever good he does for the society, kudos to him but when it effects his football then fans have a right to be upset.
Many footballers do charity. They don't put it on Instagram every time they do it.
The fans pay part of his salary. They have a right to be upset. He is putting more effort in things outside of football now.
Whatever good he does for the society, kudos to him but when it effects his football then fans have a right to be upset.
Many footballers do charity. They don't put it on Instagram every time they do it.
Many footballers also don't force the government into uturns to enable thousands of kids to be better fed.
There's some very serious 'all lives matter' vibes coming off some of the nasty personal attacks...
Isn’t the problem we’re told his PR work has no bearing on his football then when people criticise his football they’re directed to consider his PR work as mitigation?
Oh there's definitely some posts in this thread that are coming from a ideological view but being presented in such a way as to appear reasonable criticism (and failing at that).
Feck me
Also why are Mandela and that twat Rowling lumped together here?
Probably a red herring.
@Superden
It's not even that.
People try to act like they know what a players personality is from the way they play football.
It's just no where near accurate.
I love that Rashford took the UK government to task over ensuring kids are fed. He’s already achieved more good than most of us could ever hope to do. It’s much more than just donating money, it’s advocating on behalf of minorities who are largely forgotten and putting himself in the firing line for doing so (the aborted Spectator article for example). It’s definitely not a stick to beat him with.
I hope this is true and he is listened to and hsi thoughts acted upon by the new manager.
I agree, I like Ragnick and think he is intelligent and really knows his football, doesnt seem like a proper man manager or even coach, but his 6months here could turn into being a blessing if he is lstened to.
I read (only press rumours) Ten Hag feeling no major work is needed in the transfer market, he is a coach and will improve the team and players at his disposable....god if thats true he is destined to fail for sure.
I think what Rashford has doen off the pitch is good and disagree with people salting him publicising it, of course he is goin gto, to get more traction. Personally being blunt and honest, as a fan of the club, I couldnt give two hoots what he is doing good or bad off of the pitch (oviously within limits....Greenwood), its what he does on it. And for me, that isnt nearly enough to be bothered at all if he leaves, would personally welcome a good transfer fee for him. Was far more excited in the early performances of Martial and Greenwood who both looked supremely talented, you could see th epotential and quality, I never rally bought into Rashford as more than a bright prospect doing great things early on, never saw a potential great at all
There's one thing for sure and that's that Marcus Rashford will never have a Manchester United legassay.
He needs to get back to form first.His performances have been abominable from a longgg time….
Marcus would be wise to take some time off from everything — football, politics and business pursuits — and come back to training mentally and physically refreshed. He looks a broken man, which at his age is absurd.
How much do you think utd would want for rashford? £60-£70 mil?
Doesn't work like that. The majority of fans are not just brainless moaners who are looking for a fight. With Rashford there is just cause. Absolutely dog shit and completely unable to keep a low profile.
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What other people call him is their own business. I've seen lot worse in here towards other players and managers. You just need to look at Solskjaer thread. I don't agree with some of posts and as any other human he should not be abused in any kind of form. On other hand people need to see difference between criticism of his playing and abuse as a person.
I don't agree with you that his poor performances are because of his injury.
He clearly hasn't been the same since the issues with his back. Something else is a foot though, quite a few players in the squad are clearly way out of form/dissolutioned.
Yes, the pandemic giving no time for proper downtime has really affected some. And he has a back injury. Which as we all know will give you a lifetime of problems.
he has been awful this season. I’ve been calling for him to be told to go back to basics. Downtime for complete rest would help.
would i consider selling? Yes if we got an interesting offer but with a buy back. But only if there is a plan to replace him.
otherwise id be tempted to hold onto him and see what a coach like ETH could do with him
BUT.. if he’s mentally checked out and wants to leave we should facilitate it for around 60m.
ps. The off field charity work should be seen as s positive not a negative. People need to wind their necks in
Tell me one good performance he had after his injury. He was shit during play with injury ole put him through and then has been shit ever since it.
I've studied musculoskeletal medicine so I know how a back injury effects things like movement and pace.
Some people only think leg injuries are bad.
"Robin van Persie has warned Manchester United that Marcus Rashford may always have a “weakspot” after picking up a back injury."
https://www.football365.com/news/robin-van-persie-warns-man-utd-marcus-rashford-back-injury
Tell me why he might not have a weakspot now that effects his running? (Arguably one of his best abilities).
Of course back injuries effect your body. But when you are fit or near fit you can atleast do something on pitch.
If you look at most games this season he don't seem to have problem with running when he wants. He gets the ball. Stops the flow of the attack. Then starts running. It often ends up him trying to go past 3-4 players or running into them. When it comes to defensive duties it is less running and more walking. I believe that the issue is mentally. He need to go back to basics and need to cut some other things that may disturb his football.
Of course that is a great thing and we are talking about Rashford the football player and this is a Manchester United forum. If he cannot perform to the required standards as a United footballer then we have every right to criticize his football. Especially when his outside activities are effecting his football.
People should be intelligent enough to separate Rashford the humanitarian activist to Rashford the football player.
It looks like that he cannot do both so it is better that he continues with his humanitarian work and stop playing football. At least for United as then it would not bother me how bad he plays.
If Ralf says he looks good in training and injuries are not an issue, any back problems must only occur on matchday
I'm concerned that Rashford's back injury never healed properly after the surgery. A few weeks ago I made this point and a poster here, who apparently is a doctor, took me to school that what Rashford suffered from was fairly common and shouldn't be a long-term. I'm no doctor so I'll have to defer to medical experts, but what I see is a player who has lost quickness and the ability to turn at full pace to a dead stop. His game was all about power. In his pomp he never had finesse. (Unlike Martial, who has the finesse but no power to his game whatsoever.) Rashford might be able to develop finesse and become a different kind of forward but I'm not so sure about that.
I'm not so sure top clubs would be interested in the Marcus Rashford of today. Maybe a club Newcastle, who will be looking for players like Rashford and Maguire as they transition to a superclub 3-5 seasons from now. Maybe Villa, who have cash to spend but I doubt Gerrard would be interested.
Yep, I’m no expert but he’s never really recovered in my opinion
Then how omg earth does he pass his medical fitness to play football?
Rashford himself said he's finally injury-free and ready to play football without worrying about his body.
Then why does he play like he is holding himself back? There may be a mental problem more than a physical but it looks like it’s something.
not saying I’m correct either just offering an opinion
It’s obviously a mental problem. I am not going to hop on the sell wagon unless the player wants out.
I think that the injuries may have affected him long-term and he isn't able to adjust his game to reflect that.
My current hunch is the Utd hierarchy don’t fancy him as much anymore and are looking at options to sell, and this showing by Rashford is almost a sort of protest ‘new contract or I’m half assing it’ or just being unhappy that we‘re not offering him what he wants. It also probably doesn’t help when we’re in the process of releasing his best mate Lingard.
Look how we’re keen we are to tie down Bruno even though his current contract runs to Summer 2025, and Rashford not so much which runs to Summer 2023.
I hope it‘s something along these lines, as it would be a sign that we’re being run as a competent football club again.
Look how we’re keen we are to tie down Bruno even though his current contract runs to Summer 2025, and Rashford not so much which runs to Summer 2023.
I hope it‘s something along these lines, as it would be a sign that we’re being run as a competent football club again.
I do not deny that he may have after effects of his injury. Very possible. But (1) why is the medical staff passing him fit? (2) why does he not make an effort? We know that he can run as he does run but when it is time to track or defend he does not do that. When it is time to pass, he does not pass. If he is not fully fit, then he should tell the Manager and get on the treatment table and get treatment. I mean United is known to help with players who are injured. Jones is a very good example. He is still around and so was Ole and Hargreaves when they were injured.
That's the thing though, he's as fit as he could be. He just lost a good bit of his pace and can't adjust. In the game against Spurs, he didn't even believe he could outpace Hojbjerg. This is a game where he pressed more than anyone else on the team, he just seems to have lost all ability when he has the ball.
Yes I think he has lost his pace. I cannot remember what match it was but I commented on the match day thread that he got beaten easily for pace by a defender. It does not happen that Rashford gets beaten when he has a head start before.
or why can't he pass a football 10 yards to a teammate?
Rashford was great when he was rapid, strong and direct. He's lost a touch of acceleration now and it seems he knows it. Tries the odd trick to compensate but they rarely come off.
If he gets his focus back and is a bit smarter with his runs he can still be great.
If he gets his focus back and is a bit smarter with his runs he can still be great.