Why would we even want to open contract negotiations with Rashford and Shaw before the new manager is announced?
Rashford considering his future...
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I don't know it might be the best time due to their low stock at the moment. But I would lower the wages.
didn't know Rashford is being compared to Greenwood who has these charges against him?
I think Rooney and Ronaldo were pretty close as well
Agreed. Both Bruno and Rashford with the extensions have plenty of time remaining. Things can be sorted out in the summer re: new contracts.
When has this club not done anything stupid since Fergie left?
In this very thread, unfortunately.
I can understand people being frustrated with the players, and Rashford has been poor all season so deserves criticism for his performances. But sometimes people go too far.
Can't believe the hate Rashford is getting on here. I firmly believe there is a good player in him and we've all seen glimpses of it. We've been horrendously managed thus far and it is no surprise most of our players are underperforming.
Whilst a long term contract for Rashford is pure silliness, he should be given a chance next season under new management.
Whilst a long term contract for Rashford is pure silliness, he should be given a chance next season under new management.
Him being my namesake makes it difficult for me to say this. But if he does not start really focusing on his day job, I really don't want to see him at the club. He cannot say that his other activities have no effect until he actually gives them up for us and him to judge.
Who's making the decisions to give players contracts?
Rudder less ship
Absolute farce
Rashfords on about 250k, what Next?
The guys sulking at the treatment of Lingaard and Martial
Sell him, far far better players out there.
Rudder less ship
Absolute farce
Rashfords on about 250k, what Next?
The guys sulking at the treatment of Lingaard and Martial
Sell him, far far better players out there.
Fair assessment. Does he still have active ambassadorial duties outside of football? If he does, then it is most certainly a distraction at this stage of his career and season.
Really want him to succeed and regain that drive we once saw, the kind of imperious form we witnessed in that FA Cup game a couple of seasons ago against Crystal Palace.
Shhh. They only defended the British core. You could see they trashed other players like Martial, Pogba, etc all the time. Hypocrisy at its best.
It’s concerning not only how some fans didn’t (and evidently still don’t) see it but how nobody at the club saw the decline coming a mile off. He’s a really poor footballer - or least his football has been of an appalling standard - and has been for 14/18 months and yet until very, very recently he’d start any game he’d want to.
Why were they do slow to see what was obvious?
Why were they do slow to see what was obvious?
With the season Bruno, Rashford and Shaw are having, how are they being offered contract extensions?
Perform like amateurs crybabies and we will reward you.
what kind of management is this?
No incentives to perform, that’s the easy beautiful life.
Perform like amateurs crybabies and we will reward you.
what kind of management is this?
No incentives to perform, that’s the easy beautiful life.
One could hazard a guess and argue that his debut came at a time when everybody in and around the club was desperately looking for a new hero. We had already gone through the Moyes debacle and it was starting to look that LvG would not be able to elevate the team to its previous heights. Rashford came on on that February Thursday night and he was a breath of fresh air, something to lift the hopes of a disheartened fanbase.
And, of course, Woodward and co. would not let the opportunity pass them by. After all, United are famous for their faith in their academy products. We were failing on the pitch and the high echelons at the club could not figure out why. But they could sell to the fans and to the rest of the world the face of a new era. Here's Marcus and he will lead us forward to new glories.
It doesn't help when the footballing people can't be heard or are non-existent in the club. Outside the United bubble, very few people could see MMM as a potent atracking trident that could spearhead the title hopes of any side in the toughest league in the world for a decade. Too many things lacking, talent wise. But here we were, being jolly and comparing Rashford to Mbappe and thinking Martial is some dribbling God.
The worst thing is the club believed the hype it had helped create. Now, we still don't know what's wrong, the fans have had enough of the owners and the players and some of the players believe that it's not their fault it's come to this. Overinflation due to lack of good judgement. And trust me they will keep feeding the bubble (new contracts) for as long as they can, because they know they can't deal with bursting it.
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Well this is an British Club so maybe go support another club in another country if you cant stand the British core so much. PSG?
Absolute bell end and I hope you never become a proper member on this site.
I hate this hate people try to create by increasing a problem with the British players on our squad; acting like we never had success with them ever before.
Don't reply to me Jack'as*.
No way should we be talking to any of the players about a contract extension... how can any extension be justified? The only two reasons would be either a protection of value (but then again who's buying *any* of these prima donnas on the wages they're on?) and/or a reduction in wage.
The power is with the club in this instance IMO.
The power is with the club in this instance IMO.
yeah I'd tend to agree.
The hope is we get a good manager that can kick him into some sort of consistency or the door next Summer
I'm torn on this because on one hand he has been very poor for a while now and maybe a fresh start might do him good. But on the other hand if he can sort out whatever's going on there is a player who can be very useful to us. But surely the best thing to do is hold all contract talks until a new manager is appointed as the new manager might not fancy Rashford or Shaw. Either that or the candidates have been asked and they've given their approval, but if they haven't then what message does that send to the new manager that they've given new 4/5 year contracts to players they might not want.
Depending on Rashford's mindset giving him a new 4/5 year deal could either be a very good or very bad move. Good being giving him the deal could give him a boost showing the club believe in him and could motivate him to reward the faith shown in him and get his head straight. Bad being there's no motivation to improve knowing the club has no backbone to sell him regardless of how bad he plays. I hope he can sort it out but admittedly my patience is starting to wane and i think next season is make or break for me in weather or not he can recapture some of his form.
Depending on Rashford's mindset giving him a new 4/5 year deal could either be a very good or very bad move. Good being giving him the deal could give him a boost showing the club believe in him and could motivate him to reward the faith shown in him and get his head straight. Bad being there's no motivation to improve knowing the club has no backbone to sell him regardless of how bad he plays. I hope he can sort it out but admittedly my patience is starting to wane and i think next season is make or break for me in weather or not he can recapture some of his form.
Mass clearout neded. Including Rashford, attitude seems all wrong. On the pitch (which is most important) his decision making is just shocking, he dribbles when he should pass, passes when he should dribble, movement off the ball is wrong. Loses the ball 99% of the time when he runs with it. He doesn't create anywhere near enough goals either, For someone who plays wide in the 3 behind he should be creating and making a lot more assists.
Oops did I hurt your feeling my princess ?Maybe cause they are all shite innit (jury still out for Sancho) ? Would mind a british core at all if they consist of Kane, Trent, Foden, etc but we ended up with the whiniest ungrateful bunch. And you still havent refuted my point when you defended the british core to death and shit talking other underperformers in the club. Example: if its Rashford it is always injuries, mental health, etc etc why not the same with Pogba
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Rashford has never come close to justifying his current wages and hes not going to agree to take a pay cut is he? Quite what the logic was in giving him obscene wages based on future trajectory was I would love to know. No other club seems to do this. You get a salary that reflects your current level and perhaps a tiny bit for your immediate potential. If you kick on and improve massively then the club will probably want to increase your wages and get you to sign a new contract asap anyway even if your last one was only a year or two earlier.
Its an awful move. Simply from a perspective that its completely unnecessary. The club has fawned over him and bent over backwards for him for years. He has been picked repeatedly when he hasn't deserved it and hes on a salary befitting a player of twice his ability and application.
Nothing about Rashfords current situation screams "money will solve this". He should be given a chance with the new manager unless we get a really good offer for him in the summer (even then it should be down to the manager) and then if he sorts himself out we can talk about a new contract.
What will happen is that we give him a new contract at probably £250k/week for 5 years and we spend the next 5 years talking about how no one will buy him from us and hes a negative influence on the dressing room. Good times.
I guess you see what you want to see because, especially for Pogba there is always 100 reasons for his failings. You've probably picked the worst player to try and make your point.
As for the rest it's not like are non British players are doing well is it? Think it's more of a United problem then where you're born tbh.
I think you’re rewriting history a bit there. That front three scored more than the Liverpool front three, under what most now accept was a tactically poor manager. Challenging for titles for a decade with the same front three is literally unheard of, so yes, not many people could see that
Contract negotiations doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll hand him 4 more years with higher wages off the bat anyway. They could just activate his optional one year and say ‘Shape up for a pay rise or get shipped out’
Even if the angle is he could move away soon, the club will put him on a better contract to command a better fee. What could go wrong? At United you are here for life now
Who has at United? We're reportedly giving Sancho 350k a week, that's Salah and Mane salary rolled into one! You play for United, you get obscene wages the sooner people realise this the better and I don't think it's changing anytime soon. As sad as it is to say outside of this season Rashford has been arguably been one of are top performers for the last 2-3 seasons has he not?
Who's deciding to renew these players? Woodward has fecked off, I can't imagine Rangnick has been begging to the board to do so considering he's rightly been less than impressed with players like him and Shaw. Are Murtough/Fletcher/Arnold deciding this? Or is Joel Glazer just deciding to renew every contract coming to an end?
I think you're being a tad harsh here. I'm British and I used to love when the majority of the squads we put out had a British core. I remember slating Arsenal for at times not putting out a single British player but that funnily enough came at a time when they were at their peak.
Would I love a British core? Of course I would but not to the extent of us falling further behind the pack. Supporting British players is a reasonable reaction but the question you should be asking yourself is can we do a lot better than Rashford (present form), Maquire, Shaw, AWB or McT. If your answer is yes then you're supporting them for the wrong reasons. Being British shouldn't give these players a free pass. Hopefully we can get back to having that core WHEN they're good enough but at this present moment in time I don't think they are.
It's a conundrum. British core fighting for top 6 or non British core fighting for titles? What would you prefer because right now we're not fighting for titles with the British core we have. We sign Rice (I know) and Kane then I'd be 100% behind it even if we have to pay through the nose because they are make a difference players but signing others just for the sake of signing British isn't the way to go if they're not good enough.
I think you’re rewriting history a bit there. That front three scored more than the Liverpool front three, under what most now accept was a tactically poor manager. Challenging for titles for a decade with the same front three is literally unheard of, so yes, not many people could see that
Laugh as much as you want. In the post-Ferguson, we have been constantly struggling with consistency in the attack. One might think that our choices up front may have been a bit guilty for that. Presenting one season is an outlier because, in the long run, their forwards have produced much more. And that what talent is all about: Mainting a high level of performance.
I stand by what i said: Very few people outside United (or England) think Rashford has world-class potential. Not strong enough to hassle CBs, not able to beat his marker when there's no space to run in-behind, poor decision making in tight areas, can't head the ball or play with his back to goal, and lately even his close control has gone missing.
Can he play a role in a well-functioning United unit? The answer is yes. But offering him a king's ransom on wages and try to build an attack around a hit n' run player? Only at United, where the fans need to believe in a good story and the board is always ready to sell them one.
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Giving Rashford a new deal is bad and is a continuation of the massive mistakes the manutd board keep making. They did the same thing when deciding to extend contracts for mata, phil jones and even smalling based on some crazy hope that they suddenly come good.
We can not waste more time keeping useless players. Rashford peaked, his time to shine is done. Same thing with lingard and matic. We need to be ruthless, we cant compete for the title next season, so lets clear all this deadwood, sign 4 players and promote kids from the Academy. We will then be ready to seriously compete long term, the season after next season.
We can not waste more time keeping useless players. Rashford peaked, his time to shine is done. Same thing with lingard and matic. We need to be ruthless, we cant compete for the title next season, so lets clear all this deadwood, sign 4 players and promote kids from the Academy. We will then be ready to seriously compete long term, the season after next season.
100%. He simply cant understand that our british core suck dog bollox so far. I would not mind if we had Kane, Rice, Foden, Trent, Walker etc as our core as long as they perform well on the pitch. Anyhow british players always come with additional tax too so if they suck and stink the club we are in deep trouble offloading them. And United has a hard time parting with massive flop so far.
I reckon he can be a great Blues Clues guy. Guaranteed to be a worldwide hit. With uncle Lingard sometimes coming into the show where he lose his trendy sunglasses and they find the clues for it together.
They giving away contracts like we gonna trade players on similar wages.
Renewing Rashford means throwing at least 100 millions to the bin. This will be 2 times worse than the Rooneys extension in 2013.
How much would it cost to replace him?
He is already being replaced by Elanga. If we want to upgrade Elanga is another thing, but we shouldn't loose 100 million for Elanga's bench warmer.