Rashford considering his future...
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You believe Ragnick hasn't educated United about Pogba and Martial attitudes? Very naive, interesting Martial out on loan and stinking Sevilla up, and Pogbas had no further contract talks.......
But still some Bury their heads in the sand.
I say well done Ragnick on identifying the problems amongst the squad and addressing them. It's been needed for years.
Very good.
When a player has been under performing, some would say for years, you can understand slightly why him going out on different tangents might not down too well with the fan base?
so he couldn’t even get an assist on his own book. typical.
Unless a coach comes out and says or insinuates that Rashford is not doing what is required of him in training (and if he's not, why is he starting), the question is moot.
I'm torn on this.
On the one hand I think players doing stuff like this is really good on a personal level. However, when I look at it from a purely football Pov I don't see the absolute best players in the world doing things like this. I can't imagine a young Ronaldo doing this for instance, he's shown to be a nice guy constantly paying for kids operations and donating huge sums of money to hospitals etc. But those are things that aren't eating into his time. Part of me thinks a ronaldo type is spending his spare time in the gym, getting massages, or watching videos of himself during games or sports analytics trying to improve. As much as I love the stuff that Rashford does outside of the pitch, it surely has to eat into the time he has to improve his game.
Even typing that it doesn't really sit well with me, since i'm not even sure how true it is - it's just a feeling and one i'm sure many fans share when they see a player underperform and put in little effort on the pitch while in the meantime they've got several irons in the fire outside of football which are all over social media and the papers.
On the one hand I think players doing stuff like this is really good on a personal level. However, when I look at it from a purely football Pov I don't see the absolute best players in the world doing things like this. I can't imagine a young Ronaldo doing this for instance, he's shown to be a nice guy constantly paying for kids operations and donating huge sums of money to hospitals etc. But those are things that aren't eating into his time. Part of me thinks a ronaldo type is spending his spare time in the gym, getting massages, or watching videos of himself during games or sports analytics trying to improve. As much as I love the stuff that Rashford does outside of the pitch, it surely has to eat into the time he has to improve his game.
Even typing that it doesn't really sit well with me, since i'm not even sure how true it is - it's just a feeling and one i'm sure many fans share when they see a player underperform and put in little effort on the pitch while in the meantime they've got several irons in the fire outside of football which are all over social media and the papers.
I disagree about the for years. Literally throughout Ole’s reign he was one the things that people pointed to as a plus of Ole’s management.
But I understand why this season people are not taking well to this. But my point is what would they rather he do in his off time? Drink, gamble, sleep with his brother’s wife?
And David James showed that playing computer games all day isn't great either!
It's a difficult one. I think hobbies and suchlike are great, and it's a very awkward line of thinking to criticise his great work with starving kids etc.
But you feel some of our lads need to be a bit less visible with these extra ventures and how they're conducting themselves when their form is woeful.
Lingard another one - although he did have family problems etc. There's always these extra factors some don't add into the overall position.
Even when a manager does that, such as Mourinho with Martial and Pogba, fans still side with the player and ignore it
Shut those thoughts down immediately! St Rashford and his team are doing this to save the worlds STARVING children. Your only reaction should be a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Do you hate the poor or something? You monster.
Plenty on here don't seem to struggle with it at all.
If the coaches knew exactly what the problem was and how to resolve it they would have done. That's one possibility. The other is they know what the problems are but Marcus does not respond, and due to our lack of options he plays. But he hasn't been a key man, they know he has been poor as they have eyes so it's not as if him playing is an argument that ends discussion.
It's one of a number of possibilities. He may also be out of time at Man Utd and that's what needs to change to fire him up. He may not be fitting into the new coaches footballing ideas. There are quite a few potential explanations but considering a huge drop in form has coincided with an increase in extra curricular activities and his profile it's not an illogical theory.
I don't see what saying it's moot adds to anything. It's not. That's why it's of interest and discussed.
Ralf has already said that he is training well but it is not showing during the game. In effect it is something we all can see during the match. He is not trying enough and he is too selfish to pass to another player when they are in better positions. And even his biggest supporter Ole has mentioned that too. His extra activities has affected his football. I mean Becks was giving everything on the pitch yet SAF felt it affected his football. Rashford is not half as good as Becks.
True, but also the idea that he's good in training therefore cannot be distracted must be a bit of a misnomer anyway.
Plenty of players are supposedly great in training and do nothing on matchdays. I think the wider point around his off field stuff is his eye isn't necessarily on the ball. It's about more than training, it's being mentally and physically invested in footballing goals. A singular focus. That's what the best players have, and certainly what the players that fulfil potential have. Some are probably also better at juggling things and know the right amount to take on that it never becomes an issue.
It's all a bit speculative, admittedly, but it's been such a fall from grace it is strange. It's no longer just about not fulfilling his promise, it's about barely looking a premier league footballer, and certainly not a Man Utd footballer.
Agree. There may have been less talented players than Rashford playing or played for United but all had a work ethic on the pitch. The never stop effort. This is missing in him. Is it because of bad coaching or managing by Ole and Jose or simply he is too distracted or he thinks he is now good enough to walk into this team I do not know. All what we can see is that he is not making an effort for the whole time he is on the pitch.
This is an accusation that can be said about the three forwards we had or have. Rashford, Martial and Greenwood. So there is or was something wrong in this whole situation.
Not to rain on your parade but Rangnick has had no impact on Pogba's future re: contract. It's Pogba that's delaying. The contract's been the same as it was in the summer. There's nothing to negotiate.
Pogba is just waiting to see what offers he can get from other teams and who United get as manager.
Additionally, Martial wanted off out on loan without Rangnick's input. That whole thing happened I think before Rangnick's first game or just after. I think Martial was coming back from injury so wouldn't have played regardless. He just decided unilaterally to leave and didn't attempt to fight for his place with a new manager in.
TLDR: Martial and Pogba have been the ones who forced things. Rangnick didn't decided anything for them/the club.
You don't see the best players in the world having commercial interest outside of football and also doing charity? Rashford is barely doing anything more extreme than them. He's just in bad form so it looks worse.
I don't see other players churning out books trying to milk the niche market for children to fill their bank accounts and no I don't see other players showing off their charity work on Instagram every time they do it, shoving it down our faces..
Where I come from, you do charity and help others without expecting praise or showing it off as then it becomes more about self promotion than it is selfless service. This guy is using charity and politics in order to give himself a greater sense of self importance and place himself above criticism. He's nothing but a narcissistic product/brand of social media star not a footballer. He may as well be a youtuber. The latest one is him wheeling out some little kid to get him to tell the world that rashford helped make him run miles and miles
He's the ultimate narcissist who has a similar entitlement mindset to greenwood. He thinks his charity work and advocacy should protect him from all criticism. That's why he sent his pr representives over to ex united players to beg them to go easy on him in the media. And thats why he acted like a thug against the fan who dared question his performance. The same fan who no doubt contributes to his overinflated wage and we have his fanclub calling it abuse. Well we may as well get rid of this whole entire forum and all hand ourselves in to the police for online abuse, if saying 'come on rashford, after that performance'' because I've heard far harsher criticisms on here a day to day basis.
As for giving this brat another chance under a new manager, This guy has already worked under 4 different managers and only one of them has he performed well under. World class managers like Mourinho got fed up of him and Martial and he used his pr to undermine Mourinho because he wasn't an automatic starter. Then he threw Ole under the bus even though he was the one who pandered to his ego the most and gave him the most game time. In the end Rashford couldn't accept that all the smoke that's been blown up his ass by desperate united fans who wanted to believe he was a generatioanl talent on par with the likes of Mbappe, isn't true.
The guy is toxic and he and his fanclub who puts players above the club need to understand that simply having pace, with no footballing iq isn't enough to justify a place in the squad let alone 250k per week. Macheda, David Bellion and Danny Wellbeck had pace and could run past players. It didn't stop them from being thrown in the scrap heap because they weren't fecking good enough and SAF didn't let sentimentality get in the way of where he wanted to take his team irrespective of a player being from the academy local lad bs.
If half of this shit surrounding his pathetic half assed performances where he can't even be bothered to run back, along with his extra curriculum activities (distracting his mind and focus away from football - which ole alluded to before having to bow down and apologise to the brat) was going on underneath SAF's watch, he'd have kicked a brick let alone a boot in this boy's face a long time ago before being shown the door out of the club, so he can play being Mahatma Gandhi and peace envoy nelson mandela/jk rowling some place else
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Another newbie post...
A niche market for children 
f*ck me what a poor post!
f*ck me what a poor post!
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Yeah there's a lot of dislike of people making money in the UK and in particular some weird resentment/jealousy of rich people (they're blamed for everything). I'm not particularly well off but anyone making a boat load of cash to spend on whatever they want is fine with me, good on 'em!
I think we need to rein in the Rashford hate a little guys, it’s getting out of control. Yes. I’m a little worried about his form and not sure he’ll live up to his potential now, but he has been an important player for us and still can be, let’s not be too hasty.
He should try adapting his game before it’s too late. If injuries have hampered him in trying to be the player he was then he needs to develop his game in different ways that his body can accommodate.
He’s never , ever going to be the player he was aged 21. The ship has sailed, capsized, sunk and been subject to an awful James Cameron movie. The challenge for him is whether he can adapt his game to whatever his existing strengths are. I honestly don’t think he’s ever tried and is still trying to play the same way he did two or three years ago and that’s ultimately going to lead to his ruin if he isn’t careful
He’s never , ever going to be the player he was aged 21. The ship has sailed, capsized, sunk and been subject to an awful James Cameron movie. The challenge for him is whether he can adapt his game to whatever his existing strengths are. I honestly don’t think he’s ever tried and is still trying to play the same way he did two or three years ago and that’s ultimately going to lead to his ruin if he isn’t careful
An awful lot of assumptions for someone you have never met, really poor post.
To be the Most Reverend he’d have to become an Archbishop.
That would involve a series of rapid promotions akin to those that have taken Fletcher from U16 coach to Technical Director
Tbf I think it’s mainly Rashford who is the one being ‘milked’. He’s not some pantomime villain or something, I’m sure he cares about the causes he’s involved in. The point is that the marketing and branding interests that surround it are pretty frankly open about how they use it as a tool for building a brand and profile and use terms like ‘leveraging user engagement’ ‘building strategic partnerships with prestigious brands through affective social change’, that sort of language. So, taken as a whole it’s only fair that this ‘charitable’ element gets looked at through a lens that encompasses all of these details. When viewed through that lens it doesn’t look quite as saintly. I’m sure that’s fair.
To not derail the thread, this is related to Rashford the football player for Utd, because as a ‘brand’ he can contribute to the clubs bottom line by being a highly marketable asset, without necessarily being an elite player. And you can bet your bottom dollar this will be something that is raised in any new footballing contract negotiations. Seeing as this is something that is arguably related to Utd declining force as a footballing power, owing to an over reliance on marketing the brand rather than the football, it’s no surprise that it is therefore a topic of discussion.
No point aiming vitriol at Rashford himself, he’s just a young guy with a lot of people around him cashing in. The concept that the whole phenomenon and increasing prominence is all about charitable, ‘feel good’ stuff though is derisible and if you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you! Also no fans would take much notice if he didn’t also happen to be one of the teams apparently ‘star’ players and going through an extremely long run of massively poor form with minimal effort levels etc.
To not derail the thread, this is related to Rashford the football player for Utd, because as a ‘brand’ he can contribute to the clubs bottom line by being a highly marketable asset, without necessarily being an elite player. And you can bet your bottom dollar this will be something that is raised in any new footballing contract negotiations. Seeing as this is something that is arguably related to Utd declining force as a footballing power, owing to an over reliance on marketing the brand rather than the football, it’s no surprise that it is therefore a topic of discussion.
No point aiming vitriol at Rashford himself, he’s just a young guy with a lot of people around him cashing in. The concept that the whole phenomenon and increasing prominence is all about charitable, ‘feel good’ stuff though is derisible and if you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you! Also no fans would take much notice if he didn’t also happen to be one of the teams apparently ‘star’ players and going through an extremely long run of massively poor form with minimal effort levels etc.
He’s nothing but a pretend to be do- gooder. It’s not about the children or making the world a better place, it’s about his profile, contract value and feeding into a messiah complex. The ugly truth is, Rashford does it all for self serving motives. It's not for the benefit of others, rather for the attention, adulation and kudos it brings to himself while getting to role play being a martyr and grievance-monger.
He is a character like that environmental activist Greta. Manipulated behind the scenes to be a political mouthpiece for SJWS to pull the heart strings for a lot of gullible people desperate for someone to worship as a saint. Rashford and his PR team saw an opportunity to raise his profile, use Man United to build is brand(because he wouldn't be doing this shit if he played for Wolves) and give him a David Beckham like status and an MBE for 3 days of work simply by exploiting the plight of poverty-stricken children to raise his own social media profile, and to attract lucrative sponsorship/endorsements deals for himself
These kind of narcissistic individuals often crave hero-worship and peer approval by promoting their own victimhood. Another way is to pass themselves off as 'virtuous' is by pretending to help others through promoting causes they know will bring them attention and virtue-signalling points they so desperately crave. In the case of rashford, it’s pretending to fill the bellies of hungry children when its really the tax payers funding it all. The fact is Marcus Rashford is nothing but an opportunist, using little kids for emotive value to garner sympathy and support to. I'd like to see how much money he has used out of his own pocket to support these causes instead of preaching and demanding others to do so.
There are people who tirelessly campaign for numerous worthy causes, fund raising for children in hospices, lobby local councillors and MP's, write letters, send e-mails to make changes to their area while working 9-5 jobs on minimum wage and are basically ignored. They don't post it all over social media for kudos
As for the guy saying I don't know Rashford so I'm making assumptions, I don't personally know Greenwood either, but I know he's a piece of shit and I'm not going to beat around the bush, because I'm tired of these egomaniacs at our club being protected to the point if you say something wrong about them or tell the truth, it's abuse.
This guy made Ole publicly grovel and apologise for daring to advise him to go easy on the things outside football. This is also the same guy leaking that he has offers from Liverpool after we got knocked out of the CL. So you damn right I’m going to be making assumptions on his character and his so called love for the club while he's been down tooling on managers over the last 4-5 years. Last but not least we have him threatening a fan after they simply wanted an autograph with his kids out in the cold rain. This is not something I’m going to sit down and support. Any man/boy who threatens a father with violence, in front of their children is the lowest of the low in my book.
If this guy wasn't British, he would have been hounded out of the club like Martial. Martial was booed in his last appearance for us being going out on loan, all because he made it clear he wanted to leave. Rashford does even worse both on and off the pitch and instead gets flowers, love letters ,hugs and in depth documentary style psychoanalysis on why he's simply shit. This is also the same guy leaking that he has offers from Liverpool after we got knocked out of the CL. When Rooney flirted with Man City, after he was dismayed with the direction the club was going in, he had people sent to his door to tell him what's what and questioning where his loyalties lie. Not that I condone it, but it's the different type of breed of fans who molly coddy and protect these players at all costs regardless of the lows they descend to, compared to the fans and manager in the past who held players accountable
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How can you force government policy change by operating quietly? Please imagine how it would have worked out if Rashford tried achieving what he did by simply having private meetings with politicians… remember when he first started he was dismissed as “Rash who” until the backlash from the public became too much.
This isn’t a guy giving a tenner to a homeless guy and posting it to his SM for self validation and praise. Yeah the things he does might and should make him feel good, so what?
If you help an old person cross the road it’s normal to get a positive feeling from it but it doesn’t make you selfish or a narcissist.
A narcissist is the one who doesn’t actually get any feeling from the action but gets pleasure from the reaction and praise from others for the action.
For some reason I could see him going to Arsenal.
That is exactly what he is doing or otherwise he would not react to what fans say and do his job on the pitch which he is being paid a lot of money. He is not doing his prime job at all.
Why? Say what you want about Arteta but he has a zero tolerance policy for lazy players. He'd be marginalised just like Aubameyang, and there's no way he starts over Martinelli and Saka.
His best bet is going abroad without the media scrutiny in a league like France or Italy where he'll score 20 goals a season.
So because he reacted to abuse one time that means he only does charity work for the praise? What are you talking about?
Well he is he's just not doing it very well at the minute.
Nice PK vs PSG. That had a tad of pressure to it......
Thinking more about 22 goals and 12 assists in one season kinda stuff.
How many of these newbies are actually part of rashford pr team or maybe interns there ?
He was not reacting to an online abuse. He was reacting to one fan who said nothing of any abuse. It's all on the video.
Online abuse anyone faces is being condemned. United fans certainly condemned any abuse certainly against United players and most football fans condemned any abuse online or not.
You are trying to cloud the whole issue of Rashford here.
His PR team cannot do a better job here for sure.
That too. I'm a fan, was trying to support him. The cojones to make that PK vs PSG cannot be taught.