They are all criticized over their flaws as well and anyone who defends those. But obviously the reasons are different so the whataboutism doesn't work here. There are some things that are absolutely indefensible and having monarchies is one of those.
Queen Elizabeth II | 1926-2022 | Rest in Peace
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Oh you can have different opinions. No one said otherwise. But that’s not what’s happened here and let’s not try to pretend it is.
Sly derogatory comments and baiting other posters isn’t expressing an opinion nor is calling people ‘flag shaggers’ and other crass, small minded nonsense.
I think you'll have found a lot of people following today's ceremonies as much for the queen than for the royal family. I don't think Charles will get the level of turn out/global interest as was seen today.
The queen was and is a symbol of wartime Britain, and someone who resided over all major events of the mid-late 20th century. It's a hugely significant moment for that alone, particularly how volatile so much feels right now (in the UK and elsewhere).
But you’ve not offered a single better alternative to the current system and instead quote a minority of people? You say there’s no place so would you rather a President Putin? A Chancellor Hitler?
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The Royal Family take tens of millions per year, it's quite a cushy life for them. They do work until the day they die though, but you get big castles, 100s of staff working for you, definitely not too shabby.
I do see why a Monarchy is nice from a tradition perspective, and they generate the country good money through tourism, it's in itself a brand. The issue is more around the scandal of the likes of Andrew who you can't really defend for one and the fact they're "born into it" when they're just regular people that used to say they were "appointed by god".
It's definitely a life of privilege. I can't see the Monarchy staying around for thousands of years more, eventually people will think its antiquated but it might remain for a hundred or so more years.
If the question is would I rather have someone who has been elected through democracy over someone who was born in a particular family, then yeah obviously the answer is yes. I would think of a bunch of other criteria to add to the democratically elected part but even without that, there's no question and it's baffling someone would ask that question.
I've seen the occasional remark but being told to leave the country because they don't agree with them is a bit more radical than a couple of minor insults.
There are plenty of sly derogatory remarks from the other camp as well.
Any way it should be all over now and they can go back to praising how wonderfully the government is doing and looking after their citizens.
I thought the MacMillan was better than the Weir but that wasn't exactly hard. Not something I'll be going back to listen to though.
I just caught up with the Windsor service and the obvious highlight for me was "All My Hope on God is Founded" which is comfortably my favourite hymn.
Ok you didn’t respond with somewhere doing it better so let’s end it here without going around in circles.
Brilliant
It's a very odd statement, the "leave the country if you don't like it" mantra. To say if you aren't a full blown royalist you should leave or you don't agree with monarchies mean you should leave.
It sounds like a cult, or going to extreme to one way you can't see differing opinions.
What purpose is that, though? I can't see that they do. They hold a lot of wealth for no particular reason other than their blood. If the Monarchy was abolished they wouldn't be replaced with another politician who held onto the same amount of wealth and land for perpetuity. That makes no sense at all. They could maybe have a figure head President like Ireland but that's a finite paid job and doesn't come close to riches held by Monarchy, not to mention the stolen jewels in crowns and all that caper.
Enjoyed the the whole ceremony, appears the Monarchy is here to stay.
Proud to be British.
Proud to be British.
It was an amazing send off to be fair.
Don’t something like 8 of the 10 most equal countries in the world have a monarch?
Whilst I’m glad we live in a democracy and that our monarchy has little real power, it’s a bit odd to be making such extreme comments on a day when every Western world leader dropped everything to come to the funeral of one of our greatest statesmen.
Especially when our PM struggles to get US Presidents to visit, and our system keeps producing terrible (and largely Etonian) PMs.
Whilst I’m glad we live in a democracy and that our monarchy has little real power, it’s a bit odd to be making such extreme comments on a day when every Western world leader dropped everything to come to the funeral of one of our greatest statesmen.
Especially when our PM struggles to get US Presidents to visit, and our system keeps producing terrible (and largely Etonian) PMs.
That's what disturbs me, it's one thing or the other. Right or left. Royalist/non-royalist . Nothing in-between which is deemed worse.
For me either extreme is uncalled for but that’s the issue with the Caf these days. You have to be seen to be in one camp or the other. It’s not really allowed to be in the middle ground and if you are someone will try and label you.
That said I genuinely can’t comprehend why anyone would camp out in a thread about a persons death and take the opportunity to bait other posters and make derogatory comments.
Live and let live.
There's has to be a reason why PMs are largely useless, I mean it must be a hard job because reform in any sector takes a very long time. I struggle to think of a politician who was liked.
Boring. Free country.
100% agreed.
Except if you don't love the Queen, then you can feck off out of it, right?
Some do, like European countries, some don't like a lot of Arab states. There aren't many monarchies (28) outside the British Commonwealth group of 15, some of which look as if they will remove the British king as Head of State very soon.
Tbf the Queen had a lot of respect worldwide. and the World Leaders would always come. This time they had plenty of notice (about 10 days).
Each side is baiting the other. Even had the war brought up again by the defenders of the faith. Just noticed you have 20 more posts than I have in this thread
It’s what they do isn’t it and what they believe in for hundreds upon hundreds of years, It’s like asking why does Ireland want a Republic.
They bring with them an order or stability a sense of pride and grandeur. Then you have their connections to the world leaders and place on the world stage and their connection to religion and Protestantism, lots of reasons they are important for society.
Yes but there's a bunch that do. Mind boggling though eh.
Go change shit then. Get your keyboard, take it to wherever, and change things. Why are you quoting my posts?
Surely you have bigger fish to fry.
I find it interesting that you spend the whole day in THIS thread trying to convince people to think the same way as you do. Does it feel empowering to feel you're fighting against a concensus that you personally don't ascribe to?
Nothing could make you as proud as seeing a crown valued at £6 billion being used in a ceremony, while food banks close to honour that ceremony.
What's the consensus?
People like the grandness of the royals and in being British can pretend they have some association/ownership to it. Half of said people don't know basic British history as far as I can tell as you don't have to go that far back for a king who didn't speak English or spend much time here.
Personally I've no issue with them staying on if they gave up most of the dirty money and land gained over generations. They should give up their entitlements and actually be rewarded for what they do not who they are. Historically Kings and Queens weren't this adored and that's during times when they actually had to rule and contribute far more than cutting ribbons.
We'll struggle to get rid of them until a succession of scandals or one of them reduces their own role.
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Each side is baiting the other. Even had the war brought up again by the defenders of the faith. Just noticed you have 20 more posts than I have in this thread
I’m not sure what my post count has to do with it? I’m not baiting anyone.
This is a thread titled Queen Elizabeth II RIP.
It’s not about childish sides and what not. Those who want to make whatever point they wish to do so should make it and move on in my opinion.
You seemingly don’t get it.
What? The Queens coronation was in 1953.
We all thought it..
Do you genuinely believe this, you've been whipping it up all day with the snidey remarks
You brought up my post count. I'm not on any side. I'm not baiting anyone either but I'll respond to any nonsense, sometimes with a sarcastic comment. I don't think I've criticised the Queen once either. If the whole point of this thread is just for people to say how wonderful the Monarchy is and how wonderful the UK is, then we're in trouble.
Do you genuinely believe this, you've been whipping it up all day with the snidey remarks
I’ve been calling out people who have took issue with those watching the funeral or have stopped by to be abusive and disrespectful.
That you're bitter and pathetic. Go to sleep you've infested this thread all day. Does it give you a warm fuzzy feeling in your tummy that you're fighting the good fight. You have posted more than any one person in this thread. You don't respect it fine but don't try soo hard to make the majority come over to your side.
You’ve been pretty vocal and argumentative with anyone who has been pro Royal Family etc so I couldn’t understand why you’d have amassed so many posts in here and the football cancellation thread during the past few days. Glutton for punishment? That’s the only reason I mentioned your post count. Just find the concept odd.
You haven't said a word to the Royalists who have been much much worse than three of us who don't follow the party line.