Gaming PS5 vs Xbox Series S|X

Which do you think will release first?

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Bebe said:
I'm not quite at the point of giving up and selling, but I'm closer than I'd like to be. Definitely wish I'd just got bought a Switch instead of the XSX as an alternative to my PS5. I could see positives to a lot of what MS seemed to be doing over the first couple years of this gen, but a lot of that seems to be drying up or not panning out. There's the future promise of first party titles from the studios they've bought, but if we don't see some exciting stuff at the June showcase I will be very worried.
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Even if they show something it’ll be years before they release it. I think I’ll be good for the next 2 years at least and if there’s something good then (and I am fine having another device take up space in my household) I may consider buying it again.

Switch I love.
 
Sarni said:
Even if they show something it’ll be years before they release it. I think I’ll be good for the next 2 years at least and if there’s something good then (and I am fine having another device take up space in my household) I may consider buying it again.

Switch I love.
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That's the thing. I bought it this time last year thinking "Halo, redfall, starfield in the next year to 18 months, and then it'll only get better from there".

I'll play Halo at some point but haven't felt much desire to jump in given what I've heard/read, Redfall looks completely uninteresting. Hopefully Starfield hits but even if it does I don't know what MS have in store for the next two years post Starfield. That's why I'm really hoping that June showcase restores some of my earlier optimism.
 
I don't have an Xbox Series S/X but it's been a disgraceful run. There's basically nothing there. Saying that I'm not a fan of PlayStation's exclusives (Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ratchet & Clank). Kid's games, really. God of War is okay (great production value, unmemorable enemies and crap 'puzzles' - also lame annoying PG humour) while the Last of Us is top tier.

Elden Ring and Diablo 4 holding it down for gaming for me.
 
redcucumber said:
I don't have an Xbox Series S/X but it's been a disgraceful run. There's basically nothing there. Saying that I'm not a fan of PlayStation's exclusives (Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ratchet & Clank). Kid's games, really. God of War is okay (great production value, unmemorable enemies and crap 'puzzles' - also lame annoying PG humour) while the Last of Us is top tier.

Elden Ring and Diablo 4 holding it down for gaming for me.
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Seems an odd take to have on those. R&C I could see where you are coming from – but only really from the perspective of the art design.

What games would you consider not to be kids games??
 
redcucumber said:
I don't have an Xbox Series S/X but it's been a disgraceful run. There's basically nothing there. Saying that I'm not a fan of PlayStation's exclusives (Spiderman, Uncharted, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ratchet & Clank). Kid's games, really. God of War is okay (great production value, unmemorable enemies and crap 'puzzles' - also lame annoying PG humour) while the Last of Us is top tier.
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"Kids games" is harsh but I think he's right in spirit. Quite a few of the big hitters so far feel like they've been pitched at a Young Adult demographic.

This is particularly apt if you're comparing them to some of Sony's more detailed narrative experiences from last gen, such as Death Stranding, Bloodborne, The Last of Us, Ghosts of Tsushima, The Shadow of the Colossus remake, etc.

Special mention to Stray though as I think that's one of the more interesting ideas so far. He also mentioned Elden Ring which is obviously one of the most mature* games released so far.

Ironically I think Ratchet transcends the kid/adult dichotomy as it's just plain fun and kooky for all ages. Psychonauts 2 fits this bill for Xbox.

*I hate this word but I'm struggling to think of an alternative.

Edit - Great news guys!

 
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Bebe said:
That's the thing. I bought it this time last year thinking "Halo, redfall, starfield in the next year to 18 months, and then it'll only get better from there".

I'll play Halo at some point but haven't felt much desire to jump in given what I've heard/read, Redfall looks completely uninteresting. Hopefully Starfield hits but even if it does I don't know what MS have in store for the next two years post Starfield. That's why I'm really hoping that June showcase restores some of my earlier optimism.
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They had a showcase last year where they committed to release Redfall, Forza and Starfield by middle of this year. They ended up releasing terrible Redfall on time, not even giving a date for Forza and giving a date you know they won't even be able to keep for Starfield, and by the way that's not in the first half of 2023 anyway.

They are in terrible position with Starfield as well. They probably won't get this fully ready for September as they've already delayed it multiple times, and they will face a choice of either releasing a half-finished game and facing backlash for that (if it's anywhere near as bad as Redfall the console is basically going to die), or delaying it until mid-2024 or whenever they can have it ready. It's an unwinnable battle.

Besides even once Starfield is out, they have nothing announced for later on. At least with Sony having a pretty barren year in 2023 (only Spiderman I think?) you know they will come back with big titles after that as their key studios are certainly working on something. With Microsoft you don't even know what they are doing. Probably another Forza Horizon, and a story-based game they will never release (eg Avowed).
 
Sarni said:
They had a showcase last year where they committed to release Redfall, Forza and Starfield by middle of this year. They ended up releasing terrible Redfall on time, not even giving a date for Forza and giving a date you know they won't even be able to keep for Starfield, and by the way that's not in the first half of 2023 anyway.

They are in terrible position with Starfield as well. They probably won't get this fully ready for September as they've already delayed it multiple times, and they will face a choice of either releasing a half-finished game and facing backlash for that (if it's anywhere near as bad as Redfall the console is basically going to die), or delaying it until mid-2024 or whenever they can have it ready. It's an unwinnable battle.

Besides even once Starfield is out, they have nothing announced for later on. At least with Sony having a pretty barren year in 2023 (only Spiderman I think?) you know they will come back with big titles after that as their key studios are certainly working on something. With Microsoft you don't even know what they are doing. Probably another Forza Horizon, and a story-based game they will never release (eg Avowed).
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FF16 next month
FF7 Rebirth (though I expect this to be pushed back from its ‘winter 2023’ release date)

But yes otherwise a fairly quiet year though I’m expecting some good announcements in their June showcase.
 
Sarni said:
They had a showcase last year where they committed to release Redfall, Forza and Starfield by middle of this year. They ended up releasing terrible Redfall on time, not even giving a date for Forza and giving a date you know they won't even be able to keep for Starfield, and by the way that's not in the first half of 2023 anyway.

They are in terrible position with Starfield as well. They probably won't get this fully ready for September as they've already delayed it multiple times, and they will face a choice of either releasing a half-finished game and facing backlash for that (if it's anywhere near as bad as Redfall the console is basically going to die), or delaying it until mid-2024 or whenever they can have it ready. It's an unwinnable battle.

Besides even once Starfield is out, they have nothing announced for later on. At least with Sony having a pretty barren year in 2023 (only Spiderman I think?) you know they will come back with big titles after that as their key studios are certainly working on something. With Microsoft you don't even know what they are doing. Probably another Forza Horizon, and a story-based game they will never release (eg Avowed).
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I suspect that MS will have to reveal a few big titles this year because of what's happened to their other first party titles, but they'll be while away yet. I still think Starfield will be delayed until early 2024, but that will be a better decision than releasing it in a state as if it fails they're in trouble this generation. MS have got a lot of studios now though so I'll be surprised if they don't have a couple of unannounced games expected in 2024 already.

Sony will reveal the new TLOU2 multiplayer game this year for definite and they've got a few studios which have been quiet since moving to PS5 so I expect it to have a good couple of years after this year. I hope that Naughty Dog haven't been putting everything into the multiplayer title though, waiting another 4 years for their next single player game wouldn't be great.
 
esmufc07 said:
FF16 next month
FF7 Rebirth (though I expect this to be pushed back from its ‘winter 2023’ release date)

But yes otherwise a fairly quiet year though I’m expecting some good announcements in their June showcase.
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Forgot about FF16 probably because I don't really care about it. Spiderman 2 should be decent though, I found the first one a bit underwhelming though. Brilliant visuals, great mechanics, a bit bland storyline and it was too convoluted with random crap to collect / pointless side quests. It wasn't bad, easy 8/10 but I just got bored after a while. Miles Morales was shorter and less packed with content, I preferred it that way. I wish all these games were closer to 10-12 hours than 18-20 as they can get tedious.
 
Sarni said:
They had a showcase last year where they committed to release Redfall, Forza and Starfield by middle of this year. They ended up releasing terrible Redfall on time, not even giving a date for Forza and giving a date you know they won't even be able to keep for Starfield, and by the way that's not in the first half of 2023 anyway.

They are in terrible position with Starfield as well. They probably won't get this fully ready for September as they've already delayed it multiple times, and they will face a choice of either releasing a half-finished game and facing backlash for that (if it's anywhere near as bad as Redfall the console is basically going to die), or delaying it until mid-2024 or whenever they can have it ready. It's an unwinnable battle.

Besides even once Starfield is out, they have nothing announced for later on. At least with Sony having a pretty barren year in 2023 (only Spiderman I think?) you know they will come back with big titles after that as their key studios are certainly working on something. With Microsoft you don't even know what they are doing. Probably another Forza Horizon, and a story-based game they will never release (eg Avowed).
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You're making me sad with all your truth. I'm trying to hold onto a sense of optimism here!

But yes, I basically bought the console in anticipation of a pipeline of quality games that doesn't even look likely to materialize for 2024, let alone what's the left of this year. At this point it looks more likely to collect dust until 2025 when Obsidian (hopefully) release something, and then it will likel go back to collecting dust.

Starfield is going to be such an interesting release, whenever it happens. The stark reality is that Bethesda haven't made a great game in well over a decade, and all we've seen of their next game is one rather underwhelming demo. Despite that, Starfield seems like the Xbox's best and only remaining chance for a "killer app" in the first half of this gen. Compare that to the first couple years of X360, with Gears, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect etc. I've no idea why Phil Spencer thinks high quality games won't move the needle for Xbox, when high quality games are the only thing that has been shown to move that needle.

I'd really love to have faith in Bethesda but I simply don't. I'm hoping for a deep and immersive space RPG, but I'm very much expecting to get a loot and crafting driven collectathon with next to no narrative chops.
 
Bebe said:
You're making me sad with all your truth. I'm trying to hold onto a sense of optimism here!

But yes, I basically bought the console in anticipation of a pipeline of quality games that doesn't even look likely to materialize for 2024, let alone what's the left of this year. At this point it looks more likely to collect dust until 2025 when Obsidian (hopefully) release something, and then it will likel go back to collecting dust.

Starfield is going to be such an interesting release, whenever it happens. The stark reality is that Bethesda haven't made a great game in well over a decade, and all we've seen of their next game is one rather underwhelming demo. Despite that, Starfield seems like the Xbox's best and only remaining chance for a "killer app" in the first half of this gen. Compare that to the first couple years of X360, with Gears, Halo 3, Bioshock, Mass Effect etc. I've no idea why Phil Spencer thinks high quality games won't move the needle for Xbox, when high quality games are the only thing that has been shown to move that needle.

I'd really love to have faith in Bethesda but I simply don't. I'm hoping for a deep and immersive space RPG, but I'm very much expecting to get a loot and crafting driven collectathon with next to no narrative chops.
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360 was great times. It came out before my university days and was the console I used the most during my late high school and early uni days so I’ll always remember it super fondly, probably more so that I would have without that background, but looking at the amount of truly quality games being released at the time makes you wonder how they were able to waste all of that potential and get to the current place. One was a huge misstep that couldn’t compete with PS4 but it really appeared that they started to get things right towards the end of that generation, what with One X and One S being largely successful and seems to carry on that momentum to this generation. They had everything in place to be successful now: diversified console offering with Series S offering value far beyond anything else in the console market, a subscription service that was miles better than what Sony had, and promise of several high profile exclusives seemingly releasing early into life cycle. Then there was the advantage they seemed to have in 2021 and early 2022 when Sony were extremely short on supply while Microsoft seemed to be able to secure all they needed and put consoles on the shelves.

How they went from that to an absolute clusterfeck that 2023 has been so far is incredible. Literally every single thing I can think of has gone wrong: Game Pass has got worse and seems to be gradually deteriorating especially in comparison to advantage over PS+ which does not exist anymore, their first party games are not there and the one that is there is worse than perhaps any major title in the last decade, even the smaller profile exclusives / GP launches have largely not delivered in the last few months.

It is still a decent system, very intuitive to use, looks good on the shelf, still has reasonably priced subscription offering, but there is just not much of a reason to own it over PS5 that now has everything Xbox has and more (PS+ is BETTER value than GP now and it’s not even close). And that is with Sony arguably struggling to support PS5 with quality software in high quantity… it has more than Xbox because anything is better than zero but it still doesn’t feel nearly as much as there used to be.

It could have been similar to 360 v PS3 race that can easily be considered as a highly successful era for Microsoft but it will probably end up being as even bigger blowout than PS4 v One which seemed impossible.
 
I'm still not getting this PS+ > Gamepass argument. For a start GP is much cheaper with the usual deal we do to get it for roughly £5 p/m. I also don't think PS+ doesn't holds a candle to it when it comes to newer indie games. Older ones are equal.

Then you've got the likes of MLB The Show and Football Manager dropping day one, which is nothing to sniff at as buying either individually would cost the same price of the whole thing for a year (again, with the Gold > GP conversion).

The oddest thing about the argument is that PS+ still looks remarkably similar to what it did when I had it for the PS4 where a good amount of titles are seemingly those from the late PS3/early PS4 era. Games like Oddworld, Ace Combat 7, etc.

What PS+ does seem better for right now is if you're catching up with Sony's back catalogue. Say if you skipped the last console era or didn't already buy Returnal or Demons Souls (which is a great thing, make no mistake).

Plus you can use Gamepass on PC if you're so inclined which is just brilliant if you have a rig that betters what either of the new consoles outputs at.
 
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Vidyoyo said:
I'm still not getting this PS+ > Gamepass argument. For a start GP is much cheaper with the usual deal we do to get it for roughly £5 p/m. I also don't think PS+ doesn't holds a candle to it when it comes to newer indie games. Older ones are equal.

Then you've got the likes of MLB The Show and Football Manager dropping day one, which is nothing to sniff at as buying either individually would cost the same price of the whole thing for a year (again, with the Gold > GP conversion).

The oddest thing about the argument is that PS+ still looks remarkably similar to what it did when I had it for the PS4 where a good amount of titles are seemingly those from the late PS3/early PS4 era. Games like Oddworld, Ace Combat 7, etc.

What PS+ does seem better for right now is if you're catching up with Sony's back catalogue. Say if you skipped the last console era or didn't already buy Returnal or Demons Souls (which is a great thing, make no mistake).

Plus you can use Gamepass on PC if you're so inclined which is just brilliant if you have a rig that betters what either of the new consoles outputs at.
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Well I am obviously talking just from my perspective/experience. It may be different for other people.

Even if you get it with the usual trick it comes out similar price to PS+. I am paying 400 PLN for a year of PS+ Extra, could actually get it for 320-330 through some deals, which is basically the same as what I’d pay for GP (unless I paid the standard price which is almost double that).

Sony are catching up on third party content, have some delay in indie games but it doesn’t really matter for me as I don’t need to play them day one, and have far more first party content (well simply because it exists in the first place). The last 3-4 months Sony have added substantially better and higher profile titles than Microsoft who have basically done very little since turn of year.

PC doesn’t even matter for me as I don’t own one and probably never will again.
 
Massive Spanner said:
It’s definitely gone down the shitter in the last few months though. Never really use my X anymore whereas before that it felt like there was always something decent on Gamepass that made it worth picking up for the first 12-18 months I had it. It’s the console I’d be most ok with selling right now, if I wanted to.

MS have made a total balls of their exclusives and seem to be releasing fewer decent 3rd party offerings on it too which means there’s sweet feck all to play.
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So what have PS brought out over the past two months that has made you think it has suddenly gotten better?
 
Also Microsoft committing to releasing first party titles day 1 on GP is obviously not feasible for Sony because a) they can’t afford it, relying on software sales, b) it’s much easier to do that when your first party games don’t exist in the first place as you technically don’t really lose any sales (which is also applicable if your release is Redfall that no sane person would ever pay money for).
 
Sarni said:
Also Microsoft committing to releasing first party titles day 1 on GP is obviously not feasible for Sony because a) they can’t afford it, relying on software sales, b) it’s much easier to do that when your first party games don’t exist in the first place as you technically don’t really lose any sales (which is also applicable if your release is Redfall that no sane person would ever pay money for).
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As apposed to PS's exclusive game recently Forsaken?
 
Fully Fledged said:
They might have patched it by the time the timed exclusive runs out. It's always good having PS players Q&A our games for us.
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I think much like Redfall it seems to be past the point of repair. I don’t think anyone will actually care about it when it releases on Xbox in two years time, if it ever will as it seems a bit of a waste.
 
Sarni said:
I think much like Redfall it seems to be past the point of repair. I don’t think anyone will actually care about it when it releases on Xbox in two years time, if it ever will as it seems a bit of a waste.
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I know. It's the game it self that's bad not just that it's full of bugs.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I know. It's the game it self that's bad not just that it's full of bugs.
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Much like Redfall it should have gone back to the drawing board. Suicide Squad almost released in a similar form and would have bombed exactly the same but they delayed it by a year so it can stink next year (as I don’t expect it to be fixed). Many of them recently, Gotham Knights the other one.
 
Massive Spanner said:
you're confusing me with someone else, I don't have PS Plus.
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I'm not on about plus just PlayStation it self. You were saying that up until the last few months Game Pass made XSX competitive but over the past few months the XSX is the console you would sell. I was wondering what PS5 had out that made it more appealing over the past few months that it would negate Game Pass.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I'm not on about plus just PlayStation it self. You were saying that up until the last few months Game Pass made XSX competitive but over the past few months the XSX is the console you would sell. I was wondering what PS5 had out that made it more appealing over the past few months that it would negate Game Pass.
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Sony will always have exclusives I want to play. Microsoft won't, and any I do want, are on my PC anyway. Also the PS5 is a better console for 3rd party titles because of Dualsense and Pulse.
 
Sarni said:
Much like Redfall it should have gone back to the drawing board. Suicide Squad almost released in a similar form and would have bombed exactly the same but they delayed it by a year so it can stink next year (as I don’t expect it to be fixed). Many of them recently, Gotham Knights the other one.
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Too many people are trying to bottle another games lightning and failing miserably.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Sony will always have exclusives I want to play. Microsoft won't, and any I do want, are on my PC anyway. Also the PS5 is a better console for 3rd party titles because of Dualsense and Pulse.
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I don't see what's really changed over the past few months though. Except maybe Redfall but just because one game tanks doesn't really move the needle.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Too many people are trying to bottle another games lightning and failing miserably.
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I dont know what game they're trying to bottle. Left for Dead? Destiny? I've kind of ignored it because it looked bad on announcement and its been downhill from there.
 
caid said:
I dont know what game they're trying to bottle. Left for Dead? Destiny? I've kind of ignored it because it looked bad on announcement and its been downhill from there.
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Not a game that I wanted to play as I'm not a fan of 4 party co op, but 4 party co op seems to be a trend that many are chasing.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Sony will always have exclusives I want to play. Microsoft won't, and any I do want, are on my PC anyway. Also the PS5 is a better console for 3rd party titles because of Dualsense and Pulse.
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Most Sony games are on pc now too. I feel they're living on past reputation a bit this generation.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Not a game that I wanted to play as I'm not a fan of 4 party co op, but 4 party co op seems to be a trend that many are chasing.
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And have been chasing since 2008 with left for dead. It doesn't seem to have many successes. Even destiny is a bit of a qualified success. Or at least i'd guess so, i have no idea how much they all made.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I don't see what's really changed over the past few months though. Except maybe Redfall but just because one game tanks doesn't really move the needle.
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I've gone from having lots to play on my Series X to having nothing to play on my Series X because the quality of games on GP has dropped considerably.
 
Sarni said:
Much like Redfall it should have gone back to the drawing board. Suicide Squad almost released in a similar form and would have bombed exactly the same but they delayed it by a year so it can stink next year (as I don’t expect it to be fixed). Many of them recently, Gotham Knights the other one.
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Suicide Squad is fecking hilarious. They've said the delay is for polish reasons or whatever, but everyone knows its because they showed off their game in its close to complete form and the entire market said "nah, that looks shite". What are they going to do, remake the game from the ground up in a year? Absolute absurdity. In similar vein to Arkane and Redfall, who at Rocksteady thought that deviating from their niche, and moving into the laziest and most cynical game development trends around, would work?
 
Massive Spanner said:
I've gone from having lots to play on my Series X to having nothing to play on my Series X because the quality of games on GP has dropped considerably.
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Yeah but over the last few months there's been nothing to write home about on PlayStation either, and if you want to play third party surely it runs better and costs less on your PC?
 
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