Protests following the killing of George Floyd

SirAnderson said:
Difference is, Biden isn't actually POTUS as well as a highly controversial character that obviously could be targeted by any number of people or organizations that would love to take a shot at a sitting(tweeting) president of the United States.
Like @Gee Male said, best he stay in the oval and actually tweet something positive instead of trying to make the problem worse.
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You do know that trump, hides in a nuclear bunker because he fears those protester might harm him. Do you?

You know, protester who's armed with rocks, and probably firecrackers, against the Secret service and actual infantry man posted in white house?

He can stand on the porch of his White house addressing the country, where you know POTUS talks most of the time addressing the nation, why is that any different?


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White house? Porch? Speech? But no, he has to be hiding in bunker
 
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Pogue Mahone said:


What do we actually think is happening here? Undercover cops?
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The whole point of Antifa dressing up in all black and covering their faces is to become an anonymous mass of people. Being the only person dressed like that, acting like this in the middle of a peaceful march, kind of indicates that he's a lone lunatic or a cop.
 
Sky1981 said:
You do know that trump, hides in a nuclear bunker because he fears those protester might harm him. Do you?

You know, protester who's armed with rocks, and probably firecrackers, against the Secret service and actual infantry man posted in white house?

He can stand on the porch of his White house addressing the country, where you know POTUS talks most of the time addressing the nation, why is that any different?


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White house? Porch? Speech? But no, he has to be hiding in bunker
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Yeah I think I will take my own advice I gave to @Gee Male as you didn't suggested what you suggested now, you said "he should just go out there" and then go on to show Biden "out there" in the midst of protesters and not a more insulated place like the WH porch.
And let's say yeah, fine, if he wants to do a presser on the lawn or the oval office, let him. But anyone thinking it will help is delusional. The guy is incapable of saying anything that will truly de-escalate what's going on.
I genuinely even feel it would not matter one bit, everything he says now just makes things worse, so you can't even trust that him going "out there" will end up being a positive, unless you haven't been seeing ANY of his tweets regarding this matter.
The bunker move just underlines his insensitivity regarding this issue.
 
Smores said:
I'd imagine the lack of control comes from the same place as the initial incident.

Twitter is obviously a cesspit but the responses to some videos of police brutality still surprise me. Lineker tweeted one of them shoving an old white man with a cane to the ground and rather than remarking on how obviously bad that is they post videos of looters.

POTUS says attack and they go at it. This worryingly all plays into his hands, wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him tweet support for vigilante groups.
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It's the least surprising thing ever but the riots are unfortunately playing into the hands of the people who don't care about change and it's pretty disturbing to see how they are using it to change the narrative. To them it's not a protest anymore, it's just riots where apparently the left, and only the left, is burning down the country and the police should have every right to kick the shit out of anyone they cross path with. They are deliberatly forgetting the real reason why this is all happening, or they think it's considered taken care of since Chauvin got arrested, and it's replaced with talking points about how the "bad guys" needs to be stopped.

Donald tweeting that Antifa is a terrorist group and retweeting "This isn’t going to stop until the good guys are willing to use overwhelming force against the bad guys " made his base blow their loads in unison and they all fall over each other trying to explain how ready they are to shoot down their fellow Americans.

You think that this would never happen, and I still don't believe it will, but with the Shitstain in chief fanning the flames like this I'm starting to fear I'm being naive.
 
Im reading stuff about all power/comms being cut in Washington DC at 1AM. A bunch of conspiracy theories (or so they appear) also circulating around this. Anyone seen anything reliable on this?
 
I’m struggling to see how declaring Antifa as a terrorist organization and actually enforcing that is even possible without just basically suspending habeas corpus across the board.

Antifa isn’t a declared organization, I don’t know that it has a leadership apparatus, has no membership roster, etc.

So... I mean... what? If you’re anti-fascist you’re a possible Antifa and therefore subject to questioning as a terrorist?
 
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DC in blackout and Twitter are deleting the images

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That's from a movie.


Non the less the stream I was watching a couple of hours ago (in front of the White House) did just instantly cut out and I wasn't able to find another afterwards.

 
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Carolina Red said:
I’m struggling to see how declaring Antifa as a terrorist organization and actually enforcing that is even possible without just basically suspending habeas corpus across the board.

Antifa isn’t a declared organization, I don’t know that it has a leadership apparatus, has no membership roster, etc.

So... I mean... what? If you’re anti-fascist you’re a possible Antifa and therefore subject to questioning as a terrorist?
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I'm not from the US and all this seems like a very dangerous move. In Europe, the distinction is very clear. Antifa isn't short for just antifascism but it's a informal and loose group of radical leftists who, if needed, engage in violent and direct confrontations with the far-right, doxx the neo-nazis, gather info about them etc. In the US it seems to be much more loose, a pacifist left-liberal can be seen as a member of antifa. And as you said, even if this wasn't the case, antifa doesn't have an HQ, no members, no leaders. It consists of small affinity groups of people who know each other and have contacts with other small groups. It's a fantastic opportunity for Trump to declare literally anyone against the far-right a terrorist and it's fecking scary. All this while the actual antifa themselves won't be affected by this too much.
 
Carolina Red said:
What?
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Living on this side of the Atlantic its strange to see another people using a language I understand in a different way. There are also subtleties of USA politics and society that I find unfathomable.
We have never had such an extreme leader like Trump, although some may point to Thatcher, but she was a pussycat compared to this guy.

I take your point about Trump knowing what he was doing when he said "thug". Its just that we have never had a leader who says and does such bad and extreme things so its hard to grasp really how bad he is or what living under such a bad leader is like. He clearly doesn't know how to govern the USA at the moment but yes it looks like he did know what he was saying when he referred to the black rioters as "thugs". I still have concerns about the evolvement of a language that seems to adopt negative labels for black people. Maybe there are some positive labels about black people that I don't know about.

There are huge cultural differences between The UK and USA. For a western country you seem to be a very divided people and your society seems to be closer to civil unrest than most. Your extremes are far worse than ours. According to the US Department of Housing and Urban development in 2017 there were over half a million rough sleepers in the USA. That's about a hundred times worse than this country. I don't understand why or how a modern society allows this to happen. Each society is as good as its last man or woman and we have to carry our fellow men and look after those less fortunate than ourselves. If you don't look after your society then it will come back and bite you and that's whats happening now. George Floyd is an unnecessary casualty of racist police practices but there are other problems causing these riots. The poor, homeless and criminal classes are joining together because they have had enough. The people have been compelled to act and there are some unusual alliances forming in the midst of these riots. I haven't seen the whole picture and don't know the full demographic of the demonstators but they all want change. Not a temporary change but a meaningful and lasting change.

The US society is also under the gun. The gun laws shape your societies attitude towards life. Guns mean more murder. The right to defend is a necessity for any society but if that includes the building of an arms industry producing and selling more guns than there are people then its obviously wrong. We don't have guns here and its fine. They really are unnecessary and a civilised Europe proves this to be true. You guys will never give up your guns.

I love much of the US culture but if you guys wanted to get political asylum over here then please feel welcome because as far as I can see you are being persecuted by your own government.
 
Is this DC blackout stuff as mad as what Twitter is making out? It sounds like they breached the perimeter fence of the White House.
 
I hope everyone can be happy and am prepared to do my part to help that.

Am I racist?
 
VeevaVee said:
Is this DC blackout stuff as mad as what Twitter is making out? It sounds like they breached the perimeter fence of the White House.
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Honestly it's hard to tell. I'm on the sceptical side though with it being Washington and all the international media that brings with it. They couldn't hide it like that. Not with satellite phones etc.
 
RedTiger said:
What exactly does no 4 mean?
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Reverse racism is a term used by conservatives in the states and the far right etc when complaining about affirmative action type policies aimed at redressing racial inequality.

The claim is that these policies discriminate against white people and are therefore just as bad as the systemic racism which caused them to be necessary in the first place.
 


Interesting thread about how police rarely live in the communities they police and so do not have an interest in them, and are generally more worried about insuring crime doesn't spread to the burbs
 
VeevaVee said:
Is this DC blackout stuff as mad as what Twitter is making out? It sounds like they breached the perimeter fence of the White House.
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Its a load of nonsense. No doubt these rumors are being spread by bots/troll farms.
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Withnail said:
Reverse racism is a term used by conservatives in the states and the far right etc when complaining about affirmative action type policies aimed at redressing racial inequality.

The claim is that these policies discriminate against white people and are therefore just as bad as the systemic racism which caused them to be necessary in the first place.
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Thanks for explaining that mate. I agree with his point then.
 
Abizzz said:
Honestly it's hard to tell. I'm on the sceptical side though with it being Washington and all the international media that brings with it. They couldn't hide it like that. Not with satellite phones etc.
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Well it wont be like in the movies, but from the last official footages it's not slowing down. Could be something is happening, you never know things could get ugly if they tried to storm white House, it is the white house afterall

 
Sky1981 said:
Well it wont be like in the movies, but from the last official footages it's not slowing down. Could be something is happening, you never know things could get ugly if they tried to storm white House, it is the white house afterall

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Well, yeah, if they try storming the White House there will be corpses on it's front lawn. But these protesters are fighting for their right to life, not to suicide...
 
Sky1981 said:
Well it wont be like in the movies, but from the last official footages it's not slowing down. Could be something is happening, you never know things could get ugly if they tried to storm white House, it is the white house afterall

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I think at that point all bets are off - but for sure I wouldnt want to be anywhere close by
 
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