Protests following the killing of George Floyd

While it's legal the fact remains that their answer to protests against police brutality is to criminalize the protests. Make up your own mind to who's the good one here.

Well you can understand why they can't just let people run riot. I'm impressed that these people are braving the prospects of a beating and a criminal record for what they think is right. I'm far too middle-class and comfortable to go in for that sort of thing myself.
 
Because it's just his ID. As said they were looking for someone by name and when they saw his ID realised it wasn't him.

The guys who was stopped has an Instagram page you can view with a longer video.
Just seen it, I'm assuming he is used to racial profiling at that point to act this way then when they are trying to arrest him.
 
I hear on the news he apparently went into a bunker overnight. Is that confirmed? If so the powers that be must be pretty concerned about what's going on right now.

Seems confirmed that he was in the bunker on Friday, there are reports saying he was in it last night too but not confirmed.
 
I hear on the news he apparently went into a bunker overnight. Is that confirmed? If so the powers that be must be pretty concerned about what's going on right now.

I read that aswell. Donald will just blame someone else. Its never his fault. He is the most infuriating person I have never met. He really needs to be taken out and tarred and feathered. He is an absolute stain.
 
Well you can understand why they can't just let people run riot. I'm impressed that these people are braving the prospects of a beating and a criminal record for what they think is right. I'm far too middle-class and comfortable to go in for that sort of thing myself.

Sometimes something is too much for even the whites to do nothing about.

What chauvin did was too much, simply put.

You can only opress your citizen so far before they fight back
 
Just seen it, I'm assuming he is used to racial profiling at that point to act this way then when they are trying to arrest him.

Yeah. I don't know the specific name of the person they are looking for but I assume it must be a common black name hence why he feels aggrieved and tells the officer that he looks like a "Jake".

I think you have to be careful with social media at the moment as lots of misleading stuff being floated around.
 
Some of the videos I’ve seen of the police brutality during these protests is insane. They’re fecking power mad and actively looking for ways to hurt people.

Trump and the right trying to spin it as a terrorist operation is fecking vile too. The world would genuinely be a better place if he died.
 
Well you can understand why they can't just let people run riot. I'm impressed that these people are braving the prospects of a beating and a criminal record for what they think is right. I'm far too middle-class and comfortable to go in for that sort of thing myself.
They've maneuvered themselves into a position where they have made it impossible to police America's largest cities at night (at least for the time being). As a consequence of that they have curtailed everyone's rights. That isn't down to the protesters, it's on the police themselves.
 
Seems confirmed that he was in the bunker on Friday, there are reports saying he was in it last night too but not confirmed.

When has a president been in the bunker previously? I assume it doesn't happen often so just wondered what we could use to compare it with.
 
At lease we can all take joy in the fact that Trump must be really miserable these days. He can't play golf or leer at blonde teens and he has to attend numerous boring briefings and then answer questions to the press on loads of really hard stuff. I bet he fecking loathes the job currently.
 
I'm not american. But i do feel the brunt of their heavy handed world police policing.

They're practically in cohort to tople government and frame the other party as the bad guys times and times again.

Their policy on world policing mirors their local policing. Preying on the weak and kneeling on their neck when they're down. Good luck arguing with them about human rights

They are a horrible administration. Arrogant to the last.
I get so fecking annoyed when I see the saluting army majors over coffins of young soldiers thanking them for their service.
What the feck are they doing in Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place? Them kids should be at home in college not muslim hunting in far away foreign lands.
 
How dumb or entitled does your polices forces have to be to have countless videos of unprovoked police brutality and violence being published all over the place, when the protests are about police violence. This should be the time when every thing should be done so carefully, with the view to deescalate. Yet America appears to be doing the exact opposite.

Add to the fact that Trump is fueling the fires instead of doing his job, and it's no wonder things are going to get much worse before it is all over.

I'd imagine the lack of control comes from the same place as the initial incident.

Twitter is obviously a cesspit but the responses to some videos of police brutality still surprise me. Lineker tweeted one of them shoving an old white man with a cane to the ground and rather than remarking on how obviously bad that is they post videos of looters.

POTUS says attack and they go at it. This worryingly all plays into his hands, wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him tweet support for vigilante groups.
 
When has a president been in the bunker previously? I assume it doesn't happen often so just wondered what we could use to compare it with.
I read that it was September 11th, 2001.
 
POTUS says attack and they go at it. This worryingly all plays into his hands, wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him tweet support for vigilante groups.


Out they will come then with their arsenal of weapons and away we go into civil war. I fear this will get much worse.
 
Yeah. I don't know the specific name of the person they are looking for but I assume it must be a common black name hence why he feels aggrieved and tells the officer that he looks like a "Jake".

I think you have to be careful with social media at the moment as lots of misleading stuff being floated around.
The video is still funny af.
 
You make valid points, but they don’t refute my point: it was still a peaceful protest that prompted change. The degree to which the bus boycott specifically brought about change can be debated, sure, but that moment is nonetheless viewed as a pivotal, peaceful, and historic protest that sparked significant change. That’s really the intention of my comment: to dispute the suggestion that peaceful protest cannot bring about change. I’m not really sure you can argue that point, it is grounded in fact and supported by history.

To answer your question: Rosa Parks (as we’ve discussed), the push for Baltic independence, the suffrage march, and the farmers strikes in the mid 20th century are all examples of peaceful resistance that prompted significant change. A cursory google search reveals others, too.

I don’t actually want to wade into whether or not what is occurring right now (ie the riots) is necessary to prompt change. I really have no idea, but I sure hope that something meaningful can come from it. It’s a travesty that this problem has been unaddressed for so long, as you alluded to in an earlier post, but to say flatly that no meaningful change has occurred on the back of peaceful protest is untrue.
I don't think it makes any sense to judge this situation on some grand idea of what politics should be like. It is what it is, the spontaneous result of a long, long buildup.

There's no common political standard that can be implemented anyway, who's supposed to do that? This isn't organized top-down, there's no master plan, and no leader like MLK. Simply something that has been brewing for a long time blowing up in America's face. And with some force, naturally.

Channeling that into more institutionalized paths may happen later, if it happens at all. Until then, there will be a multitude of people with a variety of attitudes deciding for themselves, and what we're seeing is the result of that.
 
Sorry, but ex military and people who didn't make the cut for military are two different groups of people aren't they?

20% = Ex Military

The 40% references an article that claimed 40% of all Police in the USA had some form of engagement with the armed forces. So that 20%, plus anyone that submitted an application, or failed a standard, or was Army Reserve linked etc.

My point was : The 20% number is vetted. The 40% was speculative but accurate to what it spoke to.
 
He's afraid of a bunch of harmless protesters with bricks and cardboards?
I'm going to be fair, and say that Trump probably didn't have much choice but to go to the bunker - security officials practically shove their employers away from possible harm at times like these.
 
I'm going to be fair, and say that Trump probably didn't have much choice but to go to the bunker - security officials practically shove their employers away from possible harm at times like these.

Nope. That's american with cardboards. Even if they're armed with ar15 at worst it's the white house.

If I'm the president I'll go out on a front porch and calm them down. Not hunkering on a bunker and if a secret service told me to I'll fire them on the spot. You cant protect me from a mass of protester?
 
Nope. That's american with cardboards. Even if they're armed with ar15 at worst it's the white house.

If I'm the president I'll go out on a front porch and calm them down. Not hunkering on a bunker and if a secret service told me to I'll fire them on the spot. You cant protect me from a mass of protester?

You would get shot then. Eventually.
 
Yeah hiding behind secret service advice isn't really a great look for the Commander-in-chief.
 
Then? What's the option? Never spoke or be seen in public ever again?
He has Twitter, so he can carry on tweeting his 'Bake 'em away, toys' rants to the world to his heart's content.
Plus, like the restarted football season, his people can pipe-in crowd applause so he still gets the ego fix from his rallies.
 
Jesus what a piece of shit. Two tweets about how sad she is about business but nothing about the murder.
It really is incredible. I've seen tons of comments which talk only about the looting. Like, dude, the actual issue here is police brutality!
 
Then? What's the option? Never spoke or be seen in public ever again?

Are you suggesting that the only two options is to walk out on front of thousands of angry protestors who have not been vetted or even searched, or never appear in public again?

Ok.
 
It really is incredible. I've seen tons of comments which talk only about the looting. Like, dude, the actual issue here is police brutality!

People like that will twist literally anything to suit them. It's sick.
 
I read that it was September 11th, 2001.

Wow. Just shows there must be sure serious concerns regarding his welfare given the last time this happened the US was under attack from a terrorist organisation. Then again I guess he's trying to paint this in a similar light.
 
Imagine being the leader of a nation at a time of great anger, division, and sensitivity, and your message isn't one of unity but of paranoia, blame, provocation, and incitement of the very fault-ridden forces that are most at fault.
 
Imagine being the leader of a nation at a time of great anger, division, and sensitivity, and your message isn't one of unity but of paranoia, blame, provocation, and incitement of the very fault-ridden forces that are most at fault.
I can't believe all he had to say on twitter is "FAKE NEWS", can't get more tone-deaf than that.
 
'LAW AND ORDER!' translates to 'SIC THE DOGS ON THEM!'
 
'LAW AND ORDER!' translates to 'SIC THE DOGS ON THEM!'

I can just imagine the avid Trumper sitting at home.

Opens Twitter to see the president has tweeted "LAW &ORDER!".

A satisfied smile crosses his face as he thinks "Well done Mr. President, that should calm things down. What a perfect and profound response."
 
Why, are these people that we have conditioned to believe destruction to be the solution to every problem, trying to solve problems with destruction?
 
I've just had the unpleasant experience of reading about the agricultural strikes someone mentioned up-thread, regarding the 'effectiveness' of peaceful protesting. Here's some quotes from the employers, witnesses and associates:
"We protect our farmers here in Kern county. But the Mexicans are trash. They have no standard of living. We herd them like pigs."
"It took the average picker ten hours to harvest 300 pounds. Planters offered 40 cents a hundredweight – that was not enough to buy enough food and gas to get to the next job."
"You Mexicans are all dirty."
On the first day of the strike, a California Highway Patrol vehicle came through the town, two blocks from the railroad crossing, with a machine gun mounted. Rudy Castro, a witness, stated that "they were ready to mow down these strikers, all because they had the audacity to ask for more money."
Three strikers were murdered by their employers.