Can you elaborate on this?
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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It's just so irrelevant. None of this means anything, it's all just posturing really.
It very obviously means something. It's all about meaning surely?
It hopefully means the turning point in true equality.
It's far from irrelevant. Just flick up a few posts and watch that noose video ffs.
I don't think it achieves anything. It's all ego stroking. There's no easy fix. Ripping down old statues nobody gave a shit about does nothing. It serves only to divide further - the racists will become more entrenched, and everyone else will think "yep, basically already agreed with that".
Racists will remain racists. It's all about educating future generations and making sure every decent person knows to speak out against racist pricks.
You think the pricks in that video above will change? Like feck.
Learn to read.
Statue is coming down, guess it was too intimidating for some out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53423415
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-53423415
That’s not going to help him with your posts to be fair.
Really? That’s a shame.
Pardon me, my reading skills are no match for your eloquent writing skills.
Striker10 is redcafe's resident poet, don't stifle his expression.
Not exactly a surprise, but hope they can find a decent home for the statue.
You can't just go around tearing statues down and then putting your own one up. Obviously the council have to do the right thing but at least people who are alive today will get to discuss what should go there and get to decide what should be celebrated.
Bound to stir up the right wingers and out and out racists but even if it has been provocative and either kept discussion or thought going for a day or so then it has achieved something very valuable.
We have slavers and gammon cnuts littering our plinths the length and breadth of this island. I'm betting that the British working class, women and other non-gammon cnuts weren't consulted when they were erected. Rip that shit out by the roots and let's have something that represents decency decorate our streets for once.
Let's start by removing british named streets on commonwealth countries.
You pile up the street signs and I'll bring the matches.
IMO, the thing about these statues of disreputable types is that their presence celebrates, consciously or not, a 'victory' over ordinary folk. Not content with taking the best that this country and others have to offer; not content with centuries of ruling and profiting by fear, by force; not content with using our children for their wars or even for their pleasure; these rulers past and present want to remind us of their dominance and precedence by way of celebratory art. It feels like taunting and a reminder to 'know your place - at the bottom, beneath the elevated position of your betters'.
This is why I don't merely see a statue of, say, Winston Churchill (someone I'm grateful to for his resolve against the Nazi threat); I see his family's home (a palace); I see his descent from the Dukes of Marlborough; I see his 'public' schooling; I see rarely-merited privilege back and forth over centuries, privilege which necessarily deprives more 'common' folk. And that is before I even think of the qualities - good or bad - of his actions once he assumed the inherited powers of his noble and political class. He is not just Winston Churchill - he is a symbol, and not solely the symbol of British resolution and stoicism which we are taught to believe is inherent to the nation's collective character.
And art like this is not merely the concern of those born to wealth and might - for example, figures and Parties who supposedly fought for the rights of the working classes also celebrated their own assumed magnificence. What fundamentally matters, then, is the monument's constant reminder of superior force - we don't only look up to them because of admiration or patriotism but also because they might deign to notice and fall upon us, as of old; art imitating life. History has taught us a hard lesson: we half-expect to be struck, and not only with awe.
This is why I don't merely see a statue of, say, Winston Churchill (someone I'm grateful to for his resolve against the Nazi threat); I see his family's home (a palace); I see his descent from the Dukes of Marlborough; I see his 'public' schooling; I see rarely-merited privilege back and forth over centuries, privilege which necessarily deprives more 'common' folk. And that is before I even think of the qualities - good or bad - of his actions once he assumed the inherited powers of his noble and political class. He is not just Winston Churchill - he is a symbol, and not solely the symbol of British resolution and stoicism which we are taught to believe is inherent to the nation's collective character.
And art like this is not merely the concern of those born to wealth and might - for example, figures and Parties who supposedly fought for the rights of the working classes also celebrated their own assumed magnificence. What fundamentally matters, then, is the monument's constant reminder of superior force - we don't only look up to them because of admiration or patriotism but also because they might deign to notice and fall upon us, as of old; art imitating life. History has taught us a hard lesson: we half-expect to be struck, and not only with awe.
Well exactly. I like the idea of the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, where you can have different installations meaning different things to different people. They should have similar around the country so everyone can feel included.
Anyone know the story after this, what the guy was stopped for, what happened after etc?
I think it’s not a bad idea personally, kind of cool to replace it with something associated with the protests...however who is the statue depicting? We don’t know anything about him.
Take it down and maybe see if the people of Bristol want a black lives matter protestor statue. The problem with BLM isn’t the message, it’s the whole anarchist agenda that surrounds them.
Not in a (respect mah authoritaaa) fit of rage.... Imo.
He can make the arrest without all that threatening shit talking whilst being filmed, that’s what can land him in trouble. The other 2 officers have ties on so my guess is they are brand new trainees and he might be a training officer, so probably wanted to show off in front of them of “how to handle business”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53425148
Edward Enninful: British Vogue editor 'racially profiled' at work
Much less obvious than Floyd, Martin or Taylor but, for the majority of black people (and other people of colour), this is a very real and consistent lived experience.
As a one-off it may not seem that bad but it gets incredibly tiring when it happens persistently.
Edward Enninful: British Vogue editor 'racially profiled' at work
Much less obvious than Floyd, Martin or Taylor but, for the majority of black people (and other people of colour), this is a very real and consistent lived experience.
As a one-off it may not seem that bad but it gets incredibly tiring when it happens persistently.
It baffles me how people can still post shit online, then still be surprised when there are real life consequences.
ANTI-BLM BEAUTY BOOT Miss Swimsuit UK stripped of her title over ‘All Lives Matter’ post
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12145...stripped-of-title-over-all-lives-matter-post/
ANTI-BLM BEAUTY BOOT Miss Swimsuit UK stripped of her title over ‘All Lives Matter’ post
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12145...stripped-of-title-over-all-lives-matter-post/
We (myself and those like me) kinda accepted it as the standard so I guess it doesn't surprise us anymore. At certain establishments we have to be dressed extra smart, and behave extra sober, etc... Can't see it changing anytime soon either.
The officer escalates the entire situation and then totally loses his shit... maybe not be a fecking psycho might help? Don’t know what went on before recording started but given the nature of what was recorded I struggle to believe it warranted the way the officer handled the situation and I question whether it would have been handled similarly were the man white.
I guess this is the day to day stuff that grinds people down and if on one of those occasions he flips, then he will no doubt be condemned as 'up himself' or 'aggressive'. I can't begin to imagine how that must feel.
Sorry to bring in the DM again, but the down votes here really seem to reflect that many will still somehow blame the black guy for this, maybe how he was dressed or whatever.
I guess this is the day to day stuff that grinds people down and if on one of those occasions he flips, then he will no doubt be condemned as 'up himself' or 'aggressive'. I can't begin to imagine how that must feel.
Sorry to bring in the DM again, but the down votes here really seem to reflect that many will still somehow blame the black guy for this, maybe how he was dressed or whatever.
I don't know whether I'd be one of those up voters or down voters @Jippy
Purely because the education of that doorman may now be suspect and I'm not one to be celebrating anyone losing their job. People make mistakes, they make howlers and they even display complete utter ignorance but immediately sacking someone just on the details we are aware of gives no opportunity to re-train or coach that member of staff or send him on a relevant course. Now, potentially he's bitter and uneducated person still.
Purely because the education of that doorman may now be suspect and I'm not one to be celebrating anyone losing their job. People make mistakes, they make howlers and they even display complete utter ignorance but immediately sacking someone just on the details we are aware of gives no opportunity to re-train or coach that member of staff or send him on a relevant course. Now, potentially he's bitter and uneducated person still.
Quite likely tbh- flipside is it's unfair to expect the editor to sit down with people like that and explain why their behaviour is offensive.
I saw "The Devil Wears Prada" - even I know no chance someone gets away with treating Vogue's editor like that.
No, but I expect there's a manager somewhere in between.
Yes, I can well imagine Anna Wintour would imagine herself to be godlike in her distance above mere mortals.
Is this not a thing that happens to every race then? I have done this to white "powerful" people myself while doing a tempting job when at university.
I dont see how he can make the claim he was racially profiled without it being clear. The guy seems to be on a power trip more than anything...
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Because it happens repeatedly from the moment we start to visit these establishments in our teens. I still get turned away sometimes in my 40s with grey fecking hairs for wearing shoes that look like trainers while white looking young people get in before and after me in ripped jeans and vans. When you know, you know. It is what it is, but let's not pretend it's not a thing, or do the 'both sides' arguement.
Shit, some of you have seen it happen and probably not even realised what's going on, just assuming these 'urban' guys are probably trouble...
What establishments are you talking about? Its sound like you are going to a nightclub and complaining about young people getting in instead of you...
I don't see how what you have said relates to someone of power not being recognised and told to "use the loading bay" is based on the assumption because he is black.