Soon you won’t even be able to read der Stürmer without being called a racist. Heartbreaking.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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OK.. If that's what you're reading me saying, that's fine. Carry on.
I don't think you've thought this point through. I really wish the police in America could be unarmed. I wish they were all MMA fighters. I wish there was no uncertainty in interactions between humans. You pointed me in a direction? I must have misse the link. I'm not going on google to find the information you claim support your opinion. You do that.
See above. And if it's identity politics stuff ala your source Stevenson, please don't ask me to look it up. There's too little time and too much to read. You're claiming knowledge, yet can't be bothered to find a single half decent article to support your claim?
The irony
This is correct. I was looking at the data at the weekend - it shows that police in the US kill about 1,100 people per year through shootings and other uses of force. Of these 1,100, approximately 24% are black, despite the fact that black people only constitute 13% of the total US population.
Breaking it down further, a black man in the US is about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by the police, compared to a white man. A black woman is 1.4 times more likely to be killed by the police, compared to a white woman. Native American men and women are also more likely to be killed by the police, compared to white men and women.
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It is reported in the SUN that the Manchester Guardian Newspaper (forerunner of the current Guardian Newspaper ) was found by John Edward Taylor who made his profits from a plantation that used slaves? The Sun also reported that in 1844 the paper took a stance against Lincoln on the slavery issue. If it is true its dynamite for the Guardian?
(Source Alexander Brown; SUN 15th June 2020 updated 16th June 2020)
(Source Alexander Brown; SUN 15th June 2020 updated 16th June 2020)
Great straw man. I never said unarm the police. What I said it is absurd to expect people to comply with unlawgul/illegal instructions from the police. That's just de facto police state. I was talking about the books. As for not having to comply with police this is common knowledge. Again why argue a position if you don't want to fact check yourself? Since your carpal tunnel is stopping from doing a basic Google search here: (assuming you are talking about your original claim which I'm still not sure of)
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/stopping-questioning-people-street.html
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-when-encountering-law-enforcement-questioning/
https://www.naacp.org/wp-content/up...iling_Know_Your_Rights_Supplement_6-12-12.pdf
So no, you do not have to 100% comply. Next time try backing up your own statements.
For the record, this study says only 83% of them are armed and it was posted earlier in the thread.
Stevenson's book has nothing to do with identity politics. The fact you even bring up identity politics (literally nothing to do with the subject matter) tells me all I need to know. I gave you two books on the subject. Again 1) I don't even understand what it is you're arguing I don't usually rely on blog posts and youtube videos.
This scholarly essay outlines some of the issues with policing in the context of black inner-city communities in the US. It's not as comprehensive as Michelle Alexander's work but much of it overlaps. Hopefully, the length isn't too long for you.
You're a bit of a condescending *, aren't you?
I'm just wondering. Really. When I write what I write, do you see me saying that racism is a good thing?
Strawmanning? Oh the irony.. I haven't said you said anything. I tried to explain to you my position on this, over three or four replies. And still you're talking about it not being the law. I agree. It's not law. Or to be honest, I don't know what's law on this matter in the US. I'm giving you my opinion. You should comply when interacting with the police. If the police are harassing you, you should still avoid getting killed. The time to complain really isn't in the face of a harassing armed person. I could go on and explain what I ment at length, but I am most likely wasting my time.
comply
verb
- act in accordance with a wish or command.
I didn't have time to read his book. Google his Ted talk. The other one, Alexander, google her latest nytimes article. Didn't have time to read her book either.
As for your scholarly essay, "We intend this essay as a statement of a point of view. We offer some new information and refer to evidence from other sources, and also point to the need for additional evidence." Based on your other sources, I choose to stop at that.
Hi Pot. My name is Kettle.
You tell me. Like I've said in the last two posts I'm not even sure what you are arguing.
So then why bring up police being unarmed? They can be armed with dildos for all I care but it has nothing to do with the legality of complying. I know what you said and I addressed it. Your reasoning is the exact same as the right-wingers in the US and (like I said) this reasoning essentially gives the police more power they are allowed. Police are taxpayer-funded, not some criminals who have you at gunpoint. Surely you can tell the difference.
You could have read the link I posted about his Equal Justice Initiative (which also summarizes his book and work). It has nothing to do with identity politics. As for Alexander's article, I read it last week. That's her political position and it's irrelevant in discussing her published, peer-reviewed, book on the mass incarceration of minorities and militarization of police departments. One has the details you clamored for, the other does not.
I never said it wasn't a point of view, but it also contains 81 citations (which is what makes it scholarly). It's certainly not two smart-sounding guys on Youtube mouthing off without any supporting evidence.
Should have done that a few pages ago.
a little bit of levity, sorry...No offence, really. I don't have time to argue against this. Nice talking to you, well argued, etc. See you on a different topic!
No, is not. Is a nationality
It is sickening to watch all of this play out in real-time. Ugh.
Few bad apples etc.
Threads like these need more sex toy references to the sake of sanity
Wonder what the psychopathy rate is in squads like that; does the fact you've possibly crippled an old man cause any conflict of the psyche, or is it as relevant to that officer as discarded trash?
He's faking this injury really well. #sarcasm.
It's this the guy Trump believes "Fell harder than he was pushed"?
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Every player on the pitch as well as the officials just took a knee as the whistle was blown to start the game in Villa vs Sheffield Utd. Brilliant stuff.
And here in the US we have people threatening to stop following sports for kneeling or removing the Confederate flag.
Gods help us, we have such a long road ahead...
Sad state of affairs.
The number of celebs I’ve seen posting social media comments in support of BLM and being met with countless “you’ve just lost a fan” messages is depressing.
We have people threatening the same here too. For example West Brom handled this arsehole perfectly.
Breaking : Officer who fatally shot Rayshard Brooks to be charged.
She’s mad-mad.
Wonder why she’s taping this from the comfort of her sofa instead of heading out into the streets to tackle crime. . .
Took a lot of guts for all those guys to stand up to that teenage girl.
Guardian said:
What a fecking bitch
The strength of this woman is astounding!
It's like every depiction of backward folk in a rural backward town/city there's ever been in TV/movies bunched up and put into 50 seconds of footage.
I see lots of Americans who look just like that. She was very brave indeed and the cop was a coward for not protecting her.
I hope he gets a fair shake too which should mean a fair trial that sees him sentenced for murder.
He kicked the victim in the head after he had shot him in the back. Fine people indeed.
I was wondering what the consequences will be for her and her family if she's local.
Incredibly brave of her given she probably foresaw the outcome before she'd even left her house that day.