Protests following the killing of George Floyd

Striker10 said:
what was done by the protestors to maintain social distancing to ensure they're not now spreading 'the virus' to create a second spike? Cause the media spoke about the potential of a second spike like they're experts but who is bemoaning these people now who have comprimised social distancing..Because you can wear a mask but they've repeated 'social distancing' about 1,000,000 times since this happened. Are the people at these events immune? Or maybe covinds a blm supporter?? Are all these people now in quarantine? And what about if anyone was carrying the virus and didn't know, would the shops that got looted be 100% safe? ..

But with that many people, I would have thought, they are now a risk of spreading a virus in a time of a pandemic.....isn't that whypeople cannot all go back into stadiums? What if we all protest to go back into stadiums? And then go back into stadiums? It's pretty amusing really. I know viruses mutate, but viruses that let people vent isn't all so bad really. All it would take is one being infected for it to spread, so how exactly are they allowed to protest? Once can be done out of ignorance but when you have it happen a number of times and it spreading....then I call bs.
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When we hashed this out earlier, I came away with the view was it is very high risk but when you have lightning in a bottle you have to act on it when you have a chance to force change on something of this magnitude.

Another thing to consider is that most states are well into opening up, and in the grand scheme of things that will cause more opportunity for transmission than these protests if we have a ‘second wave’ (the first wave was never really over in many places in my opinion, but that’s a topic for the Covid thread).
 
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Leroy The Red said:
Just on that first paragraph you posted, it’s a good observation and something a lot of people do complain about, the lack of basic patrolling. It’s rare to randomly walk around patrolling and speak to people but when it happens you do tend to get people saying things like “it’s good to see you guys around for once” etc.
It again shows the difference in perception. I think someone earlier mentioned pro active patrolling should no longer happen. Yet you get a lot of people who live in troublesome areas saying they want to see more police around. And yep it’s just too busy, so much paperwork etc. I’d say more than half of what we do isn’t even crime related.

U.K. training isn’t long enough and should definitely be longer but officers not being given guns so early does help. If officers were given guns here as early as in the states you would see more police killings. Not to the level of America but you would but then it would never happen. And yeah that meme is spot on.
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It definitely makes a difference. I live in Italy now and the police are always visible and often just out walking the streets. They are armed but they're not kitted out in all the gear, except for the tax police (who they wan't people to be scared of). Crime is consequently quite a bit lower, despite it being a poorer country than the UK.
 
Raoul said:
Haven't seen any in Cali, where I live(d). LA, SF, Oakland, Walnut Creek
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I lived in SF and Mountain View and worked in Berkeley a few years ago and Bay Area cops seem less aggressive than cops in Texas (where I lived for most my life). But then again marijuana has been more or less decriminalized there for a while and. places like the Tenderloin exist.

I'm not surprised that's your experience.
 
Raoul said:
Never seen anything like this in the US. Although I do know Canada (Ontario specifically) have something called the R.I.D.E. program where people cops set up checkpoints (usually on weekend nights) and check people for drinking.
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Yeah we do this a fair bit. Mostly around Christmas. They'll usually set up in a place where you can't get out, such as a highway exit, or one way streets.
 
Sky1981 said:
Good luck defunding the police..they'll make the case of subtly refusing to police.

Funding is not the issue. George Floyd was killed by a god given knee. Not some high tech machinery. It's the animal instinct of the perpetrator that's causing his death. Not his training nor his equipment. Defunding the police the a stupid idea.

It's like saying playing behind empty stadium will eradicate racism in football. No. You just choose not to show it.

Anyone think a country like america can survive a week without police is living in a pipe dream
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Not sure where you get your information from, but it's misguided. First, places like NYC are already in the process of doing so.

Secondly, by defunding the police local governments can move those funds towards inner-city social welfare programs, which has shown to decrease crime.

Lastly, nobody is saying abolish the police so your last comment is just plain silly.

Sky1981 said:
If they're acting professionally we wont have to defund them in the first place.

The irony is that you defund them because of their wrongdoing yet expect professionallism from them

EDIT: These cops have no problem turning off their bodycam and shoot someone, they have no problem (insert brutality here) in live TV. You'd think they have a problem not answering your call?
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This post doesn't make any sense and shows a lack of understanding of the whole defund movement. It's about shifting the priority from over-policing to building social safety nets in these communities. George Floyd's death is simply a symptom of a systemic issue in the US.
 
Just attending the NHS all-staff-briefing. Simon Stevens talking about the creation of a new centre to investigate the impact of race and ethnicity on people’s health... Also lots of talk about black mental health, black lived experience, health inequalities, workforce race equality, psychological safe spaces... such a huge topic. Ending with a message from a BAME representative: "Don't be racist!".
 
dove said:
The propaganda against cops is quite something :lol: There even are talks about defunding the police which is borderline retarded. How stupid you have to be to even suggest that? They are underfunded if anything. Jeezus. I mean I am sure all the criminals and looters would be excited but cmon people.
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What an abortion of a post.
 
Cannot make out if this is a real person under the knee but either way it is a disgusting thing to do. America is totally divided and the hatred isn’t going to die down anytime soon

 
Sounds like a song title from The Fall.
 
calodo2003 said:
What an abortion of a post.
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it's another distraction. squirrel!

The focus from the elected officials in govmnt should be on de-funding police and changing the rules on who pays for legal settlements.
Wholesales changes are needed otherwise we'll be here talking about it again next week, next year, in 5 years time.
 
Raoul said:
This is probably why it should be elevated to first degree murder. They knew eachother and Chauvin, when presented with the possibility, used his police job as a convenient pretext to go after him.
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At what point can one pre-meditate murder? That's an interesting question.
 
Raoul said:
This is probably why it should be elevated to first degree murder. They knew eachother and Chauvin, when presented with the possibility, used his police job as a convenient pretext to go after him.
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Yeah probably but there's a higher chance of acquittal and more social unrest. Consciously or unconsciously I'm sure that was a factor
 
Raoul said:
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This is what they should have done to her.

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horsechoker said:
When did all those pilots die?

Fighter pilot would be highly dangerous. Are air traffic accidents more frequent than I imagine?
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Probably because the total number of pilots being so low every death counts more on a per capita scale, plus accidents in small/charter planes that don’t make the national news.
 
horsechoker said:
When did all those pilots die?

Fighter pilot would be highly dangerous. Are air traffic accidents more frequent than I imagine?
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There are plenty small choppers and planes working for the mining companies, forestry companies, fighting fires... It's a shity job, but well paid. Accidents happen all the time.

Remember the famous basketball player that died not so long ago? Also the tourist chopper that went down in the grand canyon? shit happens but not always gonna make the news.
 
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George Owen said:
Remember the famous basketball player that died not so long ago?
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Yeah but even that doesn't seem to happen frequently.

Organic Potatoes said:
Probably because the total number of pilots being so low every death counts more on a per capita scale, plus accidents in small/charter planes that don’t make the national news.
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I can see this being the case.
 
It’s due to the sensationalism in media, if it bleeds it leads. Roofers or loggers dying from accidents on the job won’t get much attention. An officer getting murdered by another person is newsworthy and grabs people’s attention. Same is true when police injure or kill a citizen, whether justified or not. Add race to the picture? Perfect. Let the shitstorm begin.
 
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