I think the protests have gained a lot of sympathy from most ordinary people who at present support the BLM movement. I don't think we are completely aware of the aims from this protest but broadly speaking to stop the police brutality and to end racism etc etc. I don't think it will help to lose that support.
Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
Yes, well we're not quite there yet are we? Europe might have been making some progress but that's pretty fecked now Star Trek boy.
Assuming it’s from the episode that will have aired in the US last night it’ll be on Sky tonight - 10pm I think.
All in all, 2020 has been some year. And we are only halfway through!
Did fergieisold tag you in or something?
True enough I guess. Any particular ideas as to what that could be built around?
No he didn't. It was a simple question. I've not seen many Asians at the protests. They seem to have been forgotten about.
"why don't you protest in a way that isn't offensive or inconvenient to me, maybe then i'll care about your cause"
Respectability politics, in protests. Hilarious.
Respectability politics, in protests. Hilarious.
Does this extrapolate to everything?
Macmillan are a bunch of cnuts because they support cancer sufferers. What about people who suffer from heart disease? Or lung fibrosis? Or psychiatric disease? Should they not support everyone who's ever gone through any condition ever?
This is like asking "why don't Breast Cancer charities also campaign for Child Abuse?"
BLM has it's own specific cause, there's nothing stopping Asian people from creating their own version, and BLM isn't exclusionary in who should be in support of it either.
Engage is key.
No wonder 'this place is an echo chamber' when the opposing views are so often absolutely crap.
I'll be honest, I have some sympathy with the flag burning argument. For me to want to do something like that, I'd have to feel a visceral hatred of that flag and the country it represents. I can imagine an Iraqi burning the American flag, a Ukrainian burning a Russian flag, a Pakistani burning an Indian flag or vica versa.
What exactly does it mean to burn the flag of the country you live in? To have such a visceral reaction to it? I say this as someone who unfortunately knows quite a few people who've made the active decision to move to the UK and despise everything about it and Europe in general.
If I hated the UK that much, I'd move. I couldn't stand to be i the country and see the flag and the culture it represents around me.
I mean, people should be free to do as they want to of course in a protest, within reason, but I've personally never understood that.
What exactly does it mean to burn the flag of the country you live in? To have such a visceral reaction to it? I say this as someone who unfortunately knows quite a few people who've made the active decision to move to the UK and despise everything about it and Europe in general.
If I hated the UK that much, I'd move. I couldn't stand to be i the country and see the flag and the culture it represents around me.
I mean, people should be free to do as they want to of course in a protest, within reason, but I've personally never understood that.
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That's one angry little racist right there. Hope his heart can hold out till that big counter protest in Bristol.
Even if that is what it symbolises to yourself. I'm not still sure why it personally angers you.
I'd surmise you either feel as a British person it's an accusation against yourself or you're offended by what you see as disparaging lies against your country. I'm not sure either is true though.
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No intention of asking sincere questions in good faith then.
With respect, this is quite a cop out.
I appreciate that if you hold contrary opinions on here, you can get jumped on by quite a few different people simultaneously, which is tiring and frustrating.
But then, what exactly is the utility in walking into a thread on the topic, asking people whether they've seen a video by X as it has some good points and then, when challenged in any way to even explain what the good points may be, say you don't want to get into it?
So basically you just wanted to post a contrary opinion and that's it?
I mean, by itself not the worst thing in the world but then you can't be surprised when people might call you out on that surely?
I know its not the best example as the majority on here will be Man Utd fans. But even if I were to think, for instance, that Fernandes is total shite, I wouldn't go into the thread about him, write that and then refuse to really engage or explain myself afterwards. If I did think that and couldn't be bothered to argue it, I'd probably just keep it to myself.
If this is really true, it's what you see and expect from a totalitarian police state. Of course USA is a huge country and it varies, but it has always been so obvious how powerful the police, all the agencies and the military are.
Just imagine what the establishment has been doing for decades around the world, if this is how they act domestically. People used to say that it's stupid conspiracies to talk about the atrocities that the US commits. Hopefully these events finally reveal the real face of the "American dream".
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Feck are you even talking about? The UK is racist as shit and always has been.
If it wasn't the US you'd be expecting them to issue sanctions or have the Ambassador in for six of the best.
You'd hope that heads of state from all over the world are stating their concerns either over the phone or via diplomatic channels.
What are you on about. It was a simple question. I've seen more racism towards asian people than black people in the uk.
How are you not in jail mate? Or asked to go live somewhere else by someone who does the exact same thing as you. I've used the tricolor of my home country for many things as to me it's just a piece of cloth with color and a design to signify a country. Of course some banners signify a horrible past like swastikas, Confederate and to a lot of people around the world the Union Jack but sometimes it's just a piece of fecking cloth.
There has been a lot of friction already and a lot of damage has been done to relationships for some time now, but the EU leaders are basically scared of the US.
Just look at how they conduct themselves towards Germany for example, who are trying to make a new gas pipeline from Russia. The US threatened severe sanctions to anyone and any company, that was going to participate, so the big companies got scared and pulled off. All because the US wants only them to be able to supply Europe with energy resources, same thing has been happening to many prospective projects in different areas of the energy industry across Europe.
And by the way, those sanctions were voted by the US Senate from both Republicans and Democrats. So make no mistake about what the establishment actually is.
Well given there's far, far more asian people than black people in the UK, that's pretty logical isn't it.
Haha. If you come here with right wing talking points you better be prepared. There is a lot of arseholes in the Caf, I consider myself one of them but you can't complain when you have multiple posts or posters that destroy your argument concisely and accurately backed by facts and context. Or just don't agree with your opinion, but you were still allowed to give it if you want. Something rightwing media finds alien.
So surely this a bigger problem then.
But that's just you and your particular life-experience though. I've, literally, never met a Jewish person but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
“I fought for your freedoms...”
It wasn't a simple question, it was a loaded one, designed to prove your own point I'd wager.
But I'll give the benefit of the doubt and engage.
1) Do you say the same about medical charities or causes?
2) How about any person who cares about any one cause because of personal experience? Do you criticise those who give to animal charities? Or those who work to expand the arts? For not always focusing on the most important cause to you?
3) What type of Asian are you talking about anyway?
4) What's your proof that they are victims of more racism in the UK? Why are you trying to stratify levels of racism?
5) For me, black lives matter is a slightly clunky phrase to take to the UK anyway because, and I've said this before, the experience of black Americans, especially African Americans (vs recent African migrants to the USA) and experience of black Brits is not the same. Still, there are some shared aspects that have particularly struck a chord with black people in the UK and also with people who want to deconstruct racist structures and make things fairer for all. There is no anti-Asian bias within the anti-racism protests.
6) Ultimately, this argument can be extrapolated to almost everything. People in the West are so focused on Covid now because its affecting them. Its only just getting to yearly malaria mortality rates and still some way off TB mortality. Racism towards people of colour is given far more attention in the West, while people from the Middle East, South and East Asia, South America pretend it isn't absolutely rife within their societies as well. It gets more anger than the horrible living conditions imposed by the dictators in the ME for instance. That's just normal though.
If you're genuinely upset by people being like this, don't be. Its human nature. People can't be upset and focus on every single injustice in the world and will ultimately usually focus on what is important and close to them. If you're doing it to just troll and wind people up....well, carry on I guess.
To which you’re free to campaign on and do with as you wish.
Doesn’t mean you get to undermine other important matters in the world.
@Garethw care to explain how Britain is not racist when their current 21st Century PM is a racist bigot and was voted in on a mandate of xenophobia and cultural division?
As an ethnic minority growing up in the U.K. back in the 90s I would have agreed that U.K. is becoming less racist after the 80s but the country has gone backwards since then.
As an ethnic minority growing up in the U.K. back in the 90s I would have agreed that U.K. is becoming less racist after the 80s but the country has gone backwards since then.
That seems unlikely. Also, how would you even know?
Come to Golder's Green. Some great delis round there.
And @Garethw while you're at it, answer my question as to whether you have experienced racism yourself.
I wouldn't, unless they told me. And nobody has. Besides, I'm the least perceptive of people.
The definition of equality is fairness for all. It stands to reason that by campaigning for equality for one section of society, you are campaigning for equality for all sections of society. The name of the movement is irrelevant when the goal is the same. You weren’t “just asking”, as your subsequent posts indicate.
It's a bit like asking why feminism can't be called everyoneism.