Pro Evolution Soccer 2011

kouroux said:
No I'm not.You just think I am , I couldn't care less about video games than right now.
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You made it sound like there's no reason why PES should have better animations. Well, if you were to compare PES 2008 with the weird hunchback sprinting to this PES, then yeah it's improved markedly.

However, if you've read some of the posts I've made in this thread, you'd know that I've been a massive PES fan back during the PS1 days. Even then, PES had more realistic animations than FIFA. So it is very disappointing to see the PES team regress to what it is this gen.
 
Ekeke said:
I think the common theory is that they need to start from the ground up like Fifa did. Redo all the animations and make them at least on par. Of course there's a bit of a difference in terms of resources, so it may never happen. We may be stuck with the outdated, horrible animations in every PES to come.
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I don't really get this "They haven't got the resources" schtick...PES is a big deal. Yeah second seller to FIFA but not by much and still the 14th biggest selling franchise of all time (List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) And Konami isn't exactly a small plucky little company. Metal Gear Solid is hardly skimping on the animations is it? They have the resources.

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I actually find that these goals happen too often. Almost every corner results in a volley from the edge of the box. I've scored a couple wonder goals like that myself during the little time I've played the game.
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Yeah I've found this too. I'd scored about 15 goals from outside the box within a couple of hours
 
Mockney said:
I don't really get this "They haven't got the resources" schtick...PES is a big deal. Yeah second seller to FIFA but not by much and still the 14th biggest selling franchise of all time (List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) And Konami isn't exactly a small plucky little company. Metal Gear Solid is hardly skimping on the animations is it? They have the resources.



Yeah I've found this too. I'd scored about 15 goals from outside the box within a couple of hours
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The company may have the resources, but its down to how much they allocate for the PES projects. I think we can see from recent years that EA's allocation towards next gen Fifa is more in evidence than Konami's allocation for PES. This would be an explaination as to why the PES team had troubles with getting the game out on multiple platforms for the next gen consoles while Fifa went from strength to strength after its first outing on the next gen consoles. EA want a solid simulation of almost all major sports and have shown a willingness to push their games on a lot when they've needed to do so. I dont think PES has as much importance to Konami. Afterall its just the european Winning Eleven which is far more important to them.
 
Winning Eleven IS PES Ekeke. It's just the regional titles. As I'm sure you know. Anything implemented in WE is implemented in PES. So I don't understand your last sentence. If anything PES is often slightly better as it's released later in the year. I used to get WE off ebay back in the day cos it was released more than a month earlier. If it was different and more important, then surely we'd see a marked difference in the animations of each?

As for it's importance to Konami. Well again, a look at that list will tell you it's their biggest selling franchise, racking up £55 million worldwide sales to second placed Metal Gear Solid's 26m (Metal Gear does actually sell more individually cos it isn't a yearly release) ...So it's a complete cop out to claim Konami are either not bothered by it (which would be an incredibly reckless business strategy for their biggest selling yearly game) or hampered by the budget. Considering FIFAs all-time sales are only about 10m more, they should save enough to spend roughly the same (or there abouts) on that aspect of the game as FIFA (assuming they both put back in relative to what they make and EA don't operate at a loss*) just by not licensing everything for so long.

EA is definitely a bigger studio, but some PES fans seem to like to pretend PES developers are working 20hr days making gaming code out of bits of string and tin cans in a darkened shed somewhere out of a sheer labour of love. They're a big company and it's their biggest selling franchise and 2nd biggest selling individual game. Saying they haven't got the resources, or that they aren't bothered is bollocks. And if they really haven't and aren't, then they're terrible terrible businessmen.

* They may actually do this, or more so than Konami do considering they make much more as a studio and it's their flagship game. I still doubt it though.

B Cantona said:
On what level setting?

That would be roughly 2 goals a game from outside the box, you sure Mockers?
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Yeah but I exaggerate massively to seem cooler than I actually am on the internet.

On a side note, I've decided the Galacticos can't really be the Galacticos until they have Bruce Willis.

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Not really liking it so far. Which is a shame. I buy PES every year and even in recent years I have always been pretty happy with them.

Seems like such a chore now due to the controls which seem arkward. Only played it on the hardest difficulty and finding it tough to score as well.

Online when played with a cable is fine, so that is a plus
 
Pronewbie said:
You made it sound like there's no reason why PES should have better animations. Well, if you were to compare PES 2008 with the weird hunchback sprinting to this PES, then yeah it's improved markedly.

However, if you've read some of the posts I've made in this thread, you'd know that I've been a massive PES fan back during the PS1 days. Even then, PES had more realistic animations than FIFA. So it is very disappointing to see the PES team regress to what it is this gen.
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My bad then.There is every reason as to why they should keep improving it.
I don't think PES animations regressed in comparison to before, it's just that the expectation is bigger than before with the powerful consoles and PCs we have at our disposal.
Konami is somehow still stuck in the past.They shouldn't refuse to make drastic needed changes by now.
 
Mockney said:
Winning Eleven IS PES Ekeke. It's just the regional titles. As I'm sure you know. Anything implemented in WE is implemented in PES. So I don't understand your last sentence. If anything PES is often slightly better as it's released later in the year. I used to get WE off ebay back in the day cos it was released more than a month earlier. If it was different and more important, then surely we'd see a marked difference in the animations of each?
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I used to get it too. And it always used to be better than Pro Evo. Things got taken out, changed, etc. For example in one of the games I can remember, players had extra stats. But when Pro Evo came along, they did not. Only the Japanese team retained those extra stats to help make the players seem more individual and like themselves. I've no idea why taking them out would make the game better. It didnt

As for it's importance to Konami. Well again, a look at that list will tell you it's their biggest selling franchise, racking up £55 million worldwide sales to second placed Metal Gear Solid's 26m (Metal Gear does actually sell more individually cos it isn't a yearly release) ...So it's a complete cop out to claim Konami are either not bothered by it (which would be an incredibly reckless business strategy for their biggest selling yearly game) or hampered by the budget. Considering FIFAs all-time sales are only about 10m more, they should save enough to spend roughly the same (or there abouts) on that aspect of the game as FIFA (assuming they both put back in relative to what they make and EA don't operate at a loss*) just by not licensing everything for so long.

EA is definitely a bigger studio, but some PES fans seem to like to pretend PES developers are working 20hr days making gaming code out of bits of string and tin cans in a darkened shed somewhere out of a sheer labour of love. They're a big company and it's their biggest selling franchise and 2nd biggest selling individual game. Saying they haven't got the resources, or that they aren't bothered is bollocks. And if they really haven't and aren't, then they're terrible terrible businessmen.

* They may actually do this, or more so than Konami do considering they make much more as a studio and it's their flagship game. I still doubt it though.



Yeah but I exaggerate massively to seem cooler than I actually am on the internet.

On a side note, I've decided the Galacticos can't really be the Galacticos until they have Bruce Willis.

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Alright then
 
Played it for a bit before work this morning

I didn't like it :(

Shooting is silly and the passing isn't manual at all...in fact it's barely any less clumsy than last year.
 
Last night I was playing nba2k11 and wow I'm lost for words.It's amazing the level that franchise has reached in terms of every aspect required for a sports video game.
Too bad I'm not a basket ball fanatic :(
 
I noticed that the quality of animation seemed to be far better on NHL11 than on either FIFA or Madden (EA's two biggest selling franchises) which didn't make any sense to me until I remembered EA is a Canadian company. I think both of these games (FIFA & PES) could evidently be far far better...I'm not really happy with either of them to be honest. The answer is clearly to get the Canadians and the Japs more into football.

Going back to Brad's question, I've just scored 3 overhead kicks this morning...no exaggeration. Players attempt this far too much....and the keepers are spastic.
 
Only on early impressions of PES, but from that, if you combine the best bits of the two (PES and Fifa) you'd probably just about scrape together a decent, working football game.

Just.
 
Mockney said:
Going back to Brad's question, I've just scored 3 overhead kicks this morning...no exaggeration. Players attempt this far too much....and the keepers are spastic.
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Are you playing on top level? Ive been playing PES for years and never had as much trouble scoring goals as in this one. Ive yet to score more than 2 in a game yet. I dont concede either, so nearly every game is 0-0
 
I'm playing on whatever the default setting was. To be honest I'm not one of these gameoids that loves playing on the highest difficulty and on full manual. I've no desire to test myself, I like scoring lots of goals, it's what I bought the game for.
 
noodlehair said:
Played it for a bit before work this morning

I didn't like it :(

Shooting is silly and the passing isn't manual at all...in fact it's barely any less clumsy than last year.
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Passing isn't manual?? Seems like it is to me. Wrong direction and it goes astray. And managed to play some excellent thru balls in front of my forwards making runs.

Shooting like many mentioned is a bit hit and miss. Granted, I haven't made use of the L2 button a lot so going to try that the next time I get around to playing it. But what I notice on this year's PES is how your shot fly depends very much on the body angle and position of your player, the sort of run he is making and the position of the ball around the body. Playing with friends I've had Drogba score a goal which he looped over VDS as he was stretching for it which I thought looked awesome as it involved the deftest of dinks as he was reaching the ball. Also has one scored against me which was reminiscent of Eric's goal against Arsenal in 95(?), the dipping volley.
 
It doesn't seem manual to me. A number of times I tried to play a through ball to someone making an overlapping run, and it's just played the ball to a completely different player, somehow perfectly, even though that wasn't who I pressed or directed to pass the ball to.

Something weird seems to happen to the ball when you shoot, and how do you place shots? ...genuine question since no matter how little power I place on a shot, the player just seems to power blast it through the air.

I dunno, it all just seems incredibly clumsy and robotic still. I'll give it a proper go when I get the chance and it might grow on me.
 
noodlehair said:
It doesn't seem manual to me. A number of times I tried to play a through ball to someone making an overlapping run, and it's just played the ball to a completely different player, somehow perfectly, even though that wasn't who I pressed or directed to pass the ball to.

Something weird seems to happen to the ball when you shoot, and how do you place shots? ...genuine question since no matter how little power I place on a shot, the player just seems to power blast it through the air.

I dunno, it all just seems incredibly clumsy and robotic still. I'll give it a proper go when I get the chance and it might grow on me.
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R2 for a finesse shot. Hold it while shooting.
 
noodlehair said:
It doesn't seem manual to me. A number of times I tried to play a through ball to someone making an overlapping run, and it's just played the ball to a completely different player, somehow perfectly, even though that wasn't who I pressed or directed to pass the ball to.

Something weird seems to happen to the ball when you shoot, and how do you place shots? ...genuine question since no matter how little power I place on a shot, the player just seems to power blast it through the air.

I dunno, it all just seems incredibly clumsy and robotic still. I'll give it a proper go when I get the chance and it might grow on me.
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If the player is off balance or something like that then they can hoof it.It's all about the timing.
 
This is me kicking the ball into my own face a minute ago. Interesting animation I'll grant you.

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noodlehair said:
It doesn't seem manual to me. A number of times I tried to play a through ball to someone making an overlapping run, and it's just played the ball to a completely different player, somehow perfectly, even though that wasn't who I pressed or directed to pass the ball to.

Something weird seems to happen to the ball when you shoot, and how do you place shots? ...genuine question since no matter how little power I place on a shot, the player just seems to power blast it through the air.

I dunno, it all just seems incredibly clumsy and robotic still. I'll give it a proper go when I get the chance and it might grow on me.
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The penalties in this game are shit, just like 2010. I dont get why they put the side on angle it just doesnt work and i thought they would have realised this from last year. On the same topic i must've had about 10 penalties now and half of them have flown over the bar and the rest the keeper has saved. Is it just me thinking penalties are near impossible to score?
 
Orton said:
The penalties in this game are shit, just like 2010. I dont get why they put the side on angle it just doesnt work and i thought they would have realised this from last year. On the same topic i must've had about 10 penalties now and half of them have flown over the bar and the rest the keeper has saved. Is it just me thinking penalties are near impossible to score?
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I have scored once in 3 pen shoot-outs I think...
 
@ Mockney: I did notice the important number of acrobatic attempts but then I realized it was just timing.If we let the ball go down a little bit more before pressing the shoot button then the chances of doing an overhead kick are greatly reduced.
The principle makes sense but there are still too many scissors kicks and what not
 
Why do Konami always cheat with the difficulty? Instead of being able to make the defenders better they do the old trick of suddenly making them lightning quick and impossible to out-muscle when you get past them. They used to do this a few games ago too. As an example I was playing as Madrid against Sunderland. I got past George McCartney half a dozen times with Ronaldo only to find him come back and take the ball from me within ten yards at most.

Also why can't they get rid of the AI interference? I've conceded three penos now from players I wasn't controlling.

Other than that I'm really enjoying this. Online is completely lag free for me and the game is a grower (aside from the usual niggles).
 
Second impression...better. Been arsing about on it for an hour now. If you can ignore the bizarre missile launch style shooting (the R2 thing just makes them missile launch it slightly less), and the fact it's literally impossible to side foot a finish into the bottom corner, it's quite fun. I may have to avoid online Master League as it looks worryingly addictive

I maintain that the passing is oafish and not even close to manual though. I had a go at training with no opposing players on the pitch, and at least half the passes I played went by default to a different player to who I aimed it at. Also, if the passing is manual, why is there a seperate "manual pass" option in the command list?
 
Brophs said:
Why do Konami always cheat with the difficulty? Instead of being able to make the defenders better they do the old trick of suddenly making them lightning quick and impossible to out-muscle when you get past them. They used to do this a few games ago too. As an example I was playing as Madrid against Sunderland. I got past George McCartney half a dozen times with Ronaldo only to find him come back and take the ball from me within ten yards at most.

Also why can't they get rid of the AI interference? I've conceded three penos now from players I wasn't controlling.

Other than that I'm really enjoying this. Online is completely lag free for me and the game is a grower (aside from the usual niggles).
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Might be wrong but I think you can turn off the sliding tackle thing under the "Auto Trigger Settings" in Management Edit, which should solve the penalty conceding issue.

Don't take my word for it though, as I have no real idea what's going on with the game plan screen. What the hell are "Link Feints"?
 
Ive only played the demo on the PS3 and i quite enjoyed it. The passing did my nut at first but getting used to it is not so bad, i played one long ball that was out of this world and was exactly what i wanted, i had a man on the opposite side totally free and went for a punt towards him, usually these passes result in someone heading it away or the ball just being hit too hard but it was perfect and as satisfying as a paul scholes 60 yard ping to feet.... almost.
 
noodlehair said:
Might be wrong but I think you can turn off the sliding tackle thing under the "Auto Trigger Settings" in Management Edit, which should solve the penalty conceding issue.

Don't take my word for it though, as I have no real idea what's going on with the game plan screen. What the hell are "Link Feints"?
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No one likes a know it all, noodle. Ah no, cheers. Has that been there for years and I've just not noticed it?

I think you can assign tricks to certain buttons or sequence and then do them one after another. Seems pointless to me.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Are you playing on top level? Ive been playing PES for years and never had as much trouble scoring goals as in this one. Ive yet to score more than 2 in a game yet. I dont concede either, so nearly every game is 0-0
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I've not actually scored yet! 5 games played

Trust Mockers to moan about how easy the game is, and not even have it on the harder levels!

noodlehair said:
It doesn't seem manual to me. A number of times I tried to play a through ball to someone making an overlapping run, and it's just played the ball to a completely different player, somehow perfectly, even though that wasn't who I pressed or directed to pass the ball to.
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The number of times I've put a cross into the stands, or a pass about 20 yards too far in front of a player... trust me, its manual
 
noodlehair said:
Second impression...better. Been arsing about on it for an hour now. If you can ignore the bizarre missile launch style shooting (the R2 thing just makes them missile launch it slightly less), and the fact it's literally impossible to side foot a finish into the bottom corner, it's quite fun. I may have to avoid online Master League as it looks worryingly addictive

I maintain that the passing is oafish and not even close to manual though. I had a go at training with no opposing players on the pitch, and at least half the passes I played went by default to a different player to who I aimed it at. Also, if the passing is manual, why is there a seperate "manual pass" option in the command list?
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Try holding in L2 while pressing X you oaf :D

I'm totally addicted to BAL, can't leave the game alone.
 
The running and "squareness" of it all is so incredibly frustrating I can't shake my annoyance at it. The dribbling feels like you're skiing in jam and every ball or shot is in some way completely square. Even the way they hit it is square, often hitting it like a pong racket to someone at a 90 degree angle but moving their leg forward...it's maddening.

Occasionally you'll do something brilliant and the feel of it will be hugely satisfying, only to heave the ball forward on the next attack with the ball thudding away like someone's smacking their head against a block of wood relentlessly, pass it out onto the wing, cross it in far too hard, get it cleared out, have Owen Hargreaves do an overhead kick from 30 yards out which flies into space and the illusion of greatness is lost again...

Aarrrgghh.
 
How do I get my wide players to actually be wide players?

The two strips of pitch wide of either penalty area are completely redundant. No matter how I change the tactics settings, the wingers just mill about in the middle, with my fullbacks, while my central midfielders seem to insist on being further forward than anyone else on the pitch. It's weird.
 
If I get this and start a Master League then update the kits with a patch at a later date will it update my current save or would I need to start again?
 
noodlehair said:
How do I get my wide players to actually be wide players?

The two strips of pitch wide of either penalty area are completely redundant. No matter how I change the tactics settings, the wingers just mill about in the middle, with my fullbacks, while my central midfielders seem to insist on being further forward than anyone else on the pitch. It's weird.
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It's the same for me. Rooney plays more like a defensive midfielder and everytime I play a through ball Scholes is always the only player I have up front chasing it. Although I have pissed around with the tactics a bit, probably need to play around some more.
 
cw1984 said:
If I get this and start a Master League then update the kits with a patch at a later date will it update my current save or would I need to start again?
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You'll have to start again. Haven't tried ML since there's no good patches yet.
 
Found it a lot better tonight. I think it really is a case of getting used to it. Won the CL on hardest difficulty too. Close and intense games all the way
 
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