Pro Evolution Soccer 2011

I think this year's version(judging from the demo) is worse than last year's version. Yes the passing is much more flexible and better, but overall it feels more like an arcade game with robotic/stick figures running around.

It's Fifa's year again, easily.
 
My 2 penneth.

I've given it a few goes now and i'm sure i'll be getting it this year. I still think FIFA is the better game but i've really enjoyed this demo, unlike the FIFA one. There are still issues, the animations are clunky, the 'keepers can't catch and there's been some dismal AI going on with the defenders but I like the way it feels. Attacking feels so much better on this than in FIFA, as does shooting.

I've had FIFA for the last few years so i'm still feeling my way back into PES so I don't really know how to tackle properly or how to dribble effectively but it's still been enough to give me that excitement factor that I hadn't had from PES in about 4 years.

Like I said from the off, FIFA is the better overall game, there really is no debating that. But I prefer the feel of PES. It's nothing I can put my finger on, it just feels right.

Also, having just 2 teams to choose from is pretty shit.
 
cw1984 said:
My 2 penneth.

I've given it a few goes now and i'm sure i'll be getting it this year. I still think FIFA is the better game but i've really enjoyed this demo, unlike the FIFA one. There are still issues, the animations are clunky, the 'keepers can't catch and there's been some dismal AI going on with the defenders but I like the way it feels. Attacking feels so much better on this than in FIFA, as does shooting.

I've had FIFA for the last few years so i'm still feeling my way back into PES so I don't really know how to tackle properly or how to dribble effectively but it's still been enough to give me that excitement factor that I hadn't had from PES in about 4 years.

Like I said from the off, FIFA is the better overall game, there really is no debating that. But I prefer the feel of PES. It's nothing I can put my finger on, it just feels right.

Also, having just 2 teams to choose from is pretty shit.
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You have 4 teams in total
 
kouroux said:
You have 4 teams in total
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Ah yeh, the America teams.

A few more observations:

I love the crossing in PES. It actually feels dangerous. It's brilliant. On FIFA the crossing is pretty scripted, or at least that's how it feels. You can actually guarantee a goal on FIFA by crossing if you want whereas this feels more genuine.

The goal celebrations and subs aren't a patch on FIFA. Granted it doesn't affect game play but it looks nice.

Also, how do you challenge for header from goal kicks and corners? Is there some kind of jostle button or anything?
 
Sounds from the majority of you lot, that there has been a step forward with the PES series, not perfect by any means but a step forward ... thats good to hear. I'd love Konami to crack it by two years time and deliver a true footballing game to savour.
 
Thing is Raees, just think how good FIFA will be in 2 years time.

I just tried the PES 2011 demo after playing the FIFA 11 one last night and can't say I'm that impressed. It feels clunky and doesn't deliver the excitement that FIFA does for me.

Of course I need to give the demo more time before I decide what game to buy - hopefully I'll be getting both for the first time ever!
 
Plan M said:
Thing is Raees, just think how good FIFA will be in 2 years time.
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If the last two efforts are anything to go by, it'll just be a tweaked Fifa09 with updated squads.

I really want to like PES again, because the more I try and get into Fifa, the more I just hate it. It's such a let down of a game compared to what everyone under the sun likes to make it out to be. It's like someone telling you about the world's greatest seaside resort, and then you get there and it turns out to be Southend on Sea...and it's raining.
 
It's a pity you don't like it mate - I personally can't get enough of the demo and am very excited.

When's PES 2011 out btw?
 
After playing it a bit more: The passing is spot on compared to FIFA. Computer runs are still fecking awful, you still can't properly direct the distribution from the goalie and you have hardly any control over the finishing.
 
noodlehair said:
If the last two efforts are anything to go by, it'll just be a tweaked Fifa09 with updated squads.

I really want to like PES again, because the more I try and get into Fifa, the more I just hate it. It's such a let down of a game compared to what everyone under the sun likes to make it out to be. It's like someone telling you about the world's greatest seaside resort, and then you get there and it turns out to be Southend on Sea...and it's raining.
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Sounds like a spastic agenda to me. However I do agree Southend on see is a massive let down.
 
Not a fan tbh. Its ok, better than previous ones (says more about them than it does about this one).

A lot of tactical gimmicks in this one which i havent admittedly got around to exploring. But gameplay has some serious flaws hard to look past.

Crossing is really good, and so is some of the passing/movement once you get the hang of it. Shooting is bizarre, as many mentioned the error margin between row Z and back of the net is very small. And you don't feel like you're in control of your shot, i.e. which side of the keeper you want it to go to.

The ball feels like a brick, stops in its path way too easily. Dribbling is very difficult. Haven't played with different players admittedly but the better players don't really stand out. No pace and the game is just way too laborious and gets boring real quickly.

Goalkeeping is ok but the refereeing is rubbish, they call fouls way too easily and too many replays disrupt the flow.

Many of what i didn't like i suppose will be picked up on as strengths for other people. It depends on the gaming experience/style you expect. I'm tired of FIFA too tbh, its got its flaws too but this new PES is just not for me.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Sounds like a spastic agenda to me. However I do agree Southend on see is a massive let down.
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Spastic agenda? Sounds like you can't read. He said he wants to like it because he doesn't like FIFA i.e. he really wants to enjoy playing at least one football, when the alternative is enjoying neither

Mind you, I shouldn't be expecting much from the reading skills of someone who can't spell "Sea" despite quoting a post which contained the correct spelling.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Spastic agenda? Sounds like you can't read. He said he wants to like it because he doesn't like FIFA i.e. he really wants to enjoy playing at least one football, when the alternative is enjoying neither

Mind you, I shouldn't be expecting much from the reading skills of someone who can't spell "Sea" despite quoting a post which contained the correct spelling.
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Chrisjn_ is blind, give him a bit of credit.
 
The problem with either game is that both require time to feel them perfectly.It makes it even more difficult to appreciate when you wanna try both demos
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Spastic agenda? Sounds like you can't read. He said he wants to like it because he doesn't like FIFA i.e. he really wants to enjoy playing at least one football, when the alternative is enjoying neither

Mind you, I shouldn't be expecting much from the reading skills of someone who can't spell "Sea" despite quoting a post which contained the correct spelling.
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He accused me of having a spasticated agenda towards FIFA in another thread, it was merely a retort.

Yes Pogue, I can't spell 'sea', that was blatantly not a typo. The same way in which you refered to a 'football game' as a 'football', was not a typo. Or do you actually kick your Xbox around and use your ps3's as goal posts? Because I wouldn't take advise from someone who does that. You also forgot a full stop on that sentence, which strikes me that you are some sort of total idiot spastic.

Save us from internet grammar damnation, oh holy Pogue.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
He accused me of having a spasticated agenda towards FIFA in another thread, it was merely a retort.

Yes Pogue, I can't spell 'sea', that was blatantly not a typo. The same way in which you refered to a 'football game' as a 'football', was not a typo. Or do you actually kick your Xbox around and use your ps3's as goal posts? Because I wouldn't take advise from someone who does that. You also forgot a full stop on that sentence, which strikes me that you are some sort of total idiot spastic.

Save us from internet grammar damnation, oh holy Pogue.
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You obviously made a real effort to get the grammar and spelling bang on in that post, bless you.

It's advice though, not advise :angel:
 
kouroux said:
The problem with either game is that both require time to feel them perfectly.It makes it even more difficult to appreciate when you wanna try both demos
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This is true and playing a game for a longer period of time can actually make you enjoy it less. I was really impressed by the FIFA demo last year and ended up buying the full game on the strength of it. It was only after playing a whole bunch of full-length games that I realised how much I disliked it.

I haven't played this demo yet, mind you, so don't have an opinion either way.
 
I only played the demo for the last PES but I enjoyed it. In the first game I played, Steven Gerrard was booked for diving.
 
If I get this for XBox will I be able to patch it so it's real kits, names etc?

I used to be able to do it on PS2 but haven't baught a PES on 360 yet.
 
cw1984 said:
If I get this for XBox will I be able to patch it so it's real kits, names etc?

I used to be able to do it on PS2 but haven't baught a PES on 360 yet.
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It's possible but you will need the tool (forgot its name) that allows you to transfer data from your PC to the XBOX360.
Apparently (still to be confirmed) it will possible to use previous (pes2010) patches
 
So, I've just played a game of Fifa11 followed by a game of PES11.

In terms of authenticity, enjoyment and being rewarded for creativity and skill, there is only one winner. I feel we are in pretty much the same position as last year, Fifa is more refined and polished but PES is more fun and rewarding. Except this year Fifa has released pretty much the same game but with slightly better graphics and none of the issues even close to being dealt with. Konami has released a game with baffling basic errors and the worst refs ever seen in a game since the turn of the millennium. Yet still, with the introduction of manual passing the game has been turned on it's head. I'll still get both, but PES is far more enjoyable. If only the online was workable.
 
I have never owned a PES game on PS3. I like this one, and intend to buy it. What are the drawbacks of previous games? Shitty online?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I have never owned a PES game on PS3. I like this one, and intend to buy it. What are the drawbacks of previous games? Shitty online?
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Online was gash on the last one. For me, anyway.

Anyway, I hate playing online unless you're playing someone you know.

It gets very old very quickly being repeatedly reamed by a Chinese 10 year old (unless your name is rimaldo, that is)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Online was gash on the last one. For me, anyway.

Anyway, I hate playing online unless you're playing someone you know.

It gets very old very quickly being repeatedly reamed by a Chinese 10 year old (unless your name is rimaldo, that is)
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It's funny, I'm the exact opposite. Playing against the computer gets boring after a couple days for me (Since PES6, which I could play every day all year without it getting boring, despite not being able to play online) where as playing against a human online adds and extra level of competition an removes the scripted feeling.

I think I've played 2 real matches against the computer on FIFA10 since I got it in January.
 
People just annoy the feck out of me online, on both PES and Fifa.

Running down the time counter; pausing; not skipping replays/goal celebrations; making self appreciating "woooah" type sounds through the headset; fecking off as soon as they start losing; Messi/Ronaldo ball hogging tactics.

It's like a haven for cnuts
 
I see a few people mentioning a licensing issue? The team/player names in the demo are all correct.

Basically, as long as I can play league/CL/FA Cup as United, I will be happy. Obviously, it would be nice if the online play worked, but that would be a bonus for me. Losing to Billdo S. Preston on FIFA destroyed online football for me forever.
 
Seriuous question: Do you think having a good football brain in real life, and understanding the game, will make you a better player of the game. Whether it be FIFA or PES, or do you think the likes of Rooney and Messi could get absolutley twonked by some kid who just knows the game inside out? Assuming they had played the game for a long period of time.

Serious question.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Seriuous question: Do you think having a good football brain in real life, and understanding the game, will make you a better player of the game. Whether it be FIFA or PES, or do you think the likes of Rooney and Messi could get absolutley twonked by some kid who just knows the game inside out? Assuming they had played the game for a long period of time.

Serious question.
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I think having a good football brain can help play better than others but since we're talking about videogames that have blatant exploit possibilities.Any kid can beat anyone who understands football very well
 
Sw33t said:
The goalkeepers on this game are so. fecking. dumb.
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They're actually better than last years, which says a lot about last years game.

The refs are the big problem on this demo. I assume the mental motion blur will not be in the final code.

Playing as Barca, you can just camp outside their box and probe for openings (no homo), it's very satisfying.
 
noodlehair said:
People just annoy the feck out of me online, on both PES and Fifa.

Running down the time counter; pausing; not skipping replays/goal celebrations; making self appreciating "woooah" type sounds through the headset; fecking off as soon as they start losing; Messi/Ronaldo ball hogging tactics.

It's like a haven for cnuts
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I have luckily only a couple times met people who run down the clock by passing it back and fourth in defense. Sad children indeed. Nothing beats getting the ball away from them and equalizing in the dying seconds though.

The majority of the people online do watch their replays though, which annoys me, especially if I've scored the first goal and skipped everything immediately. Then again, that just adds to the emotion - where as I can never get riled up or "happy" when playing against the computer.

Oh and you can turn off other people's headset sounds, Noodle.

^FIFA10^
 
kouroux said:
I think having a good football brain can help play better than others but since we're talking about videogames that have blatant exploit possibilities.Any kid can beat anyone who understands football very well
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I'd go with that...

Fifa 10 for example, had the knock it two Drogba from keeper/defender, one-two with Anelka, 50% score, exploit.
 
Chrisjn_ said:
Seriuous question: Do you think having a good football brain in real life, and understanding the game, will make you a better player of the game. Whether it be FIFA or PES, or do you think the likes of Rooney and Messi could get absolutley twonked by some kid who just knows the game inside out? Assuming they had played the game for a long period of time.

Serious question.
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Having a good understanding of football only makes these games more frustrating.
 
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