PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 1:1 West Ham United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 27 November 2016
Wait, if those three aren't good enough then why is he not to blame given he spent 150 million in the summer?
Doesn't matter how much money you spent if you still have to play average player over expensive players who seems to like to get their big wage check over to be playing for one of the biggest club on the world.
The only thing i can blame Mourinhoi is that. We only have two wingers, Memphis and Mhki and they haven't good any chance this season.
Just hoping we make a concerted effort to get top four. Who knows, maybe we will get luckier at the turn of December/new year. Maybe win a few penalties and get the confidence up.
Would like us to at least try to chase that top four spot instead of meekly surrendering like today.
Would like us to at least try to chase that top four spot instead of meekly surrendering like today.
That's the spirit.
Nice to see him getting a run of games. It will give him confidence.
The initial point was that LVG decimated the striking corps. If you're looking to replenish that, yes, throwing money at players is a pretty decent way to go about remediating that problem, especially when you're a club that spends as much as we do. Changing the formation, tactics, managers and staff won't change the fact that our striker options are pretty underwhelming currently.
Almost like there's a anti Mourinho agenda mixed in with the usual United hate and refs are having a field day with cnutishness
The football in first half was as good as I've seen , but yet again we didn't capitalize.
As soon as Rashford missed the 1 on 1 and Zlatan's shot was blocked , I knew this would be a slog
And then we completely surrendered control in second half.
When we cannot maintain complete control for vast majority of the game , it is imperative to be more clinical in front of goal
As soon as Rashford missed the 1 on 1 and Zlatan's shot was blocked , I knew this would be a slog
And then we completely surrendered control in second half.
When we cannot maintain complete control for vast majority of the game , it is imperative to be more clinical in front of goal
He didnt have to do that. He had a free hand to make the changes he wanted.
We've scored 18 league goals in 13 games.
Arsenal got 28
Chelsea and City scored 29
Liverpool scored 32
And we conceded more goals than all these teams too. This is getting really worrying.
Arsenal got 28
Chelsea and City scored 29
Liverpool scored 32
And we conceded more goals than all these teams too. This is getting really worrying.
We need a goal and we take Mata off. We need to control a game and we take Mata off. We score and we take Mata off. I just don't understand this logic from Mourinho. He is worse than Van Gaal with his stubbornness at times.
We had enough chances to win it but sadly we failed again, roll on next game and hope something finally clicks.
This improvement you're talking about is counting for feck all my friend and that's the problem.
When our record Adidas deal is sliced in half at the end of the season Ed isn't going to give a shite if our performances are good.
In this post-match search for reasons to feel optimistic we need to keep in mind that results actually matter.
It not luck or one of those days, our finishers are poor Zlatan should have had 3 today, similarly 1 each for Rashford and Lingard and they were all good chances, i am not even counting half efforts of Rooney and others. Valencia although is exceptional in covering up ground and taking the ball up, his crossing is poor, i lost count of the times he hit it straight at the shins of players in the second half, Darmian is shit, not playing Blind or Shaw is criminal, he doesn't have any linkup play or anything the Winger and he keeps losing the ball, and defensively even Antonio Toyed with him all day. We need Hernandez up top, or a RVN or even a 2009 Wayne Rooney.
Blah blah
The way I see it is the front four players (bar Mata) aren't good enough at the minute. Ibra can score every now and then but overall his play is pretty average and he misses plenty more than he scores
Rashford isn't a winger and at the moment doesn't look like a striker either, he's only 19 drop him there's no rush for him to be a world beater.
Lingard I think has been better than last year, but still perhaps hasn't been good enough.
Then when you go back Pogba and Herrera doesn't work all that well together, Herrera can't play all that well from deep and if we play a front four rather than three he needs to be one of them.
Against Everton id have to go back to what we played against Feyenoord (the front six at least, defence isn't as big an issue at the minute although we need a left back)
Or even go something entirely new like
------------Martial
Mkhytarian----Mata-----Rooney
Or switch the wingers around but Iregardless that's miles better than Lingard and Rashford out wide.
During the week Mourinho talked about Martial not adapting well this season, but Rashford has arguably been worse for me and needs some time out the side. Put confidence in Martial playing up front and he'll reward you with his ability.
Stop lumping it in to Ibra every time as well, he's tall but he's not a fecking target man, he needs chances to his feet.
Rashford isn't a winger and at the moment doesn't look like a striker either, he's only 19 drop him there's no rush for him to be a world beater.
Lingard I think has been better than last year, but still perhaps hasn't been good enough.
Then when you go back Pogba and Herrera doesn't work all that well together, Herrera can't play all that well from deep and if we play a front four rather than three he needs to be one of them.
Against Everton id have to go back to what we played against Feyenoord (the front six at least, defence isn't as big an issue at the minute although we need a left back)
Or even go something entirely new like
------------Martial
Mkhytarian----Mata-----Rooney
Or switch the wingers around but Iregardless that's miles better than Lingard and Rashford out wide.
During the week Mourinho talked about Martial not adapting well this season, but Rashford has arguably been worse for me and needs some time out the side. Put confidence in Martial playing up front and he'll reward you with his ability.
Stop lumping it in to Ibra every time as well, he's tall but he's not a fecking target man, he needs chances to his feet.
I had this mentality three weeks ago. Nothing ever clicks. It's like the players tweeting the usual shit like "we will come back stronger next week". There are only so many next weeks before it's the end of the season and we are 7th/8th.
We don't have a player capable of controlling the tempo of the game without Carrick, which is why all that investment in the summer without a good defensive midfielder and further sidelining Schweinsteiger looks pretty strange to me. Herrera can do a half decent job for periods but he should be playing much further up the pitch. I'd like for us to go back to using Blind there if he is not going to be playing regularly at center back or left back.
Every week the squad looks like a patched up version from the previous one. Just a weird season so far. Its like being stuck in the first gear driving on a highway.
Every week the squad looks like a patched up version from the previous one. Just a weird season so far. Its like being stuck in the first gear driving on a highway.
The likes of Rashford, Martial and Mkhitaryan have the talent and ability to succeed and score goals.
However, for a variety of reasons such as being played out of position or lacking the mentality required, they have not been.
I really hope they turn the corner because once that happens, im sure we will be scoring alot more goals. It will make Zlatan's life that much easier up top too.
However, for a variety of reasons such as being played out of position or lacking the mentality required, they have not been.
I really hope they turn the corner because once that happens, im sure we will be scoring alot more goals. It will make Zlatan's life that much easier up top too.
Mourinho has to get Martial going. If not we'll continue to struggle for goals.
The initial point was that LVG decimated the striking corps. If you're looking to replenish that, yes, throwing money at players is a pretty decent way to go about remediating that problem, especially when you're a club that spends as much as we do. Changing the formation, tactics, managers and staff won't change the fact that our striker options are pretty underwhelming currently.
My point was that you can't use the logic of "we spent x amount on players in the summer and should therefore expect a y return in terms of league position". That's obviously not how it works as we saw last year with Leicester. Its all about squad solidarity and cohesion; getting the players to play with a certain compounding confidence that builds over time. We are slowly building that and the results will follow.
It is a worry, if we weren't creating the chances you could understand it, but we are. They are fluffing their lines badly.
Darmian, Rashford, Lingard, and Mkhi were bloody awful. Where is Martial?
Setting up chances and finishing is as much a part of football as everything else. Other top 4 teams don't have better attackers but they are scoring for fun.
I don't have the energy to get hysterical so I agree with Raoul.
Tape it?
I would do that, but unfortunately, I have to rely on streams due to not having cable/satellite.
On the right, it has the player ratings... bit unfair to say "Marouane Fellaini rating, disabled"?
Again what has that got to do with players missing clear chances
I agree if Carrick really is injured, or the fact he cannot play a long run of games, then someone has to go in there. Ander needs to be further forward as you say to keep the momentum up. Jose has to have a rethink and put Blind in there.
He wasn't on long enough.
Frustrating as all hell. Thought Rojo was superb and Jones/Valencia were very good too. Everyone else merely alright.
Not good enough, simple as.
There's not enough quality in this squad to play through teams when they're defending with 9 or 10 men behind the ball. If you want to open up tight defenses via passing the ball, you need attacking players who are good in 1v1 and can beat defenders and you also need a play maker able to initiate attacking moves in tight spaces and under pressure. The former we don't have and as for the latter Mata, despite playing well, shouldn't have this role on the pitch. Countless times he gets on the ball in between the lines and then he just goes all the way back to the halfway line or moves sideways, away from the action, just to find space to turn around. The man is a finisher, he provides assists/goals and he's at his best when he gets on the ball at the end of attacking moves.
I've said it before, i wanted Mourinho here because our players would benefit from a more direct approach which translates to exploiting spaces with good and dynamic runs and having more opportunities to play with face to goal. This is the biggest problem right now, the one that has to be solved. The play in the first 2/3 of the pitch has to become much quicker in order to get our creative/attacking players on the ball while the opposition hasn't reshaped yet. Switching play half a dozen times whenever we start a build up play in our third won't get us anywhere with this set of players. We were trying to break through a wall under LvG and we're still trying to break through a wall right now.
Laugh as much as you like to Fergie's "hit the long diagonal and then play the first time cross in the box" but it was effective. If Jose thought that he could replicate what he did in his last title win with Chelsea, he should think again and reconsider his options. No Hazard, no Costa and no Fabregas in this United side to carry the team through while the rest just do the defending.
There was no bad luck today, WHU had a clear opening on the right wing with Antonio tearing Darmian to pieces throughout the game and they were pretty wasteful on their counter attacking opportunities. As for us, giving away so many set piece opportunities to a team that has arguably one of the best players in deadball situations... well done.
There's not enough quality in this squad to play through teams when they're defending with 9 or 10 men behind the ball. If you want to open up tight defenses via passing the ball, you need attacking players who are good in 1v1 and can beat defenders and you also need a play maker able to initiate attacking moves in tight spaces and under pressure. The former we don't have and as for the latter Mata, despite playing well, shouldn't have this role on the pitch. Countless times he gets on the ball in between the lines and then he just goes all the way back to the halfway line or moves sideways, away from the action, just to find space to turn around. The man is a finisher, he provides assists/goals and he's at his best when he gets on the ball at the end of attacking moves.
I've said it before, i wanted Mourinho here because our players would benefit from a more direct approach which translates to exploiting spaces with good and dynamic runs and having more opportunities to play with face to goal. This is the biggest problem right now, the one that has to be solved. The play in the first 2/3 of the pitch has to become much quicker in order to get our creative/attacking players on the ball while the opposition hasn't reshaped yet. Switching play half a dozen times whenever we start a build up play in our third won't get us anywhere with this set of players. We were trying to break through a wall under LvG and we're still trying to break through a wall right now.
Laugh as much as you like to Fergie's "hit the long diagonal and then play the first time cross in the box" but it was effective. If Jose thought that he could replicate what he did in his last title win with Chelsea, he should think again and reconsider his options. No Hazard, no Costa and no Fabregas in this United side to carry the team through while the rest just do the defending.
There was no bad luck today, WHU had a clear opening on the right wing with Antonio tearing Darmian to pieces throughout the game and they were pretty wasteful on their counter attacking opportunities. As for us, giving away so many set piece opportunities to a team that has arguably one of the best players in deadball situations... well done.
It's definitely frustrating right now, but for me a corner has been turned overall.
I feared for him early in the game.
Nothing at all really. That is where the problem is, not the midfield. They are getting the ball forward and the forward players are hitting it high, wide and handsome. Oh and conceding early goals isn't a good idea.
Indeed
Good thing you think so.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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12%
Antonio Valencia
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9%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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7%
Ander Herrera
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5%
Phil Jones
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3%
Marcos Rojo
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3%
Juan Mata
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2%
David de Gea
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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2%
Jesse Lingard
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2%
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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1%
Wayne Rooney
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 349 ratings.
Score Predictions
460,17,31
- Man Utd win
- West Ham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 30% Man Utd 2:0 West Ham
- 17% Man Utd 2:1 West Ham
- 16% Man Utd 3:0 West Ham
- 16% Man Utd 3:1 West Ham
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 West Ham
- 3% Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
- 3% Man Utd 5:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 4:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 1:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:1 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:5 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 2:3 West Ham
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- West Ham
- Possession
- 68% 32%
- Shots
- 17 6
- Shots on Target
- 8 2
- Corners
- 8 4
- Fouls
- 16 16
Referee
Jonathan Moss
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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replaced by Marouane Fellaini
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replaced by Wayne Rooney
