The first time, I think it was Burnley, that we've had 'one of those days' I was already complaining that it's bullshit and not just one of those days. Here we are, it's like 4th or 5th of 'those days', when we 'played well', 'controlled things' and all that other shite. We've managed to score 1 (one) goal against a team that's got I think 4th worst defence in the league.
PL D FA Premier League
Manchester United 1:1 West Ham United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 27 November 2016
We had 17 chances today, we should be scoring more than one goal and this constant conceding early goals. They should be on the ball right from the kick off, yet it appears the defence is half asleep.
When your finishing poorly, every goalkeeper looks world class.
When's the last time we won from behind?
don't think ive ever seen a footballer be so visibly distraught. Bless him
As others have already pointed out, it's actually refreshing to see some real answers and real emotion in these interviews as opposed to the usual canned responses we get from coaches and players.
Don't say "we had 17 chances today" because half of those were not chances at all.
We had about five shots cannon into the crowd. Under LVG we had one of the best conversion rates in the league. We now have one of the worst. It seems to have gone from only shooting when we defo have an opening to shooting all the time stupidly.
Yeah but those things happen, conceding a stupid goal. Scoring just one fecking goal against such tumescent shite like WHU is a problem. Scoring just 1 against Stoke, just one against Burnley, not killing off Arsenal, now this is a problem. To me to score one goal against such woeful sides (apart from Arsenal) and drop points in process, and then say that we 'played well' is a bloody oxymoron.
I've always liked Herrera, and couldn't understand why he couldn't get a game at one point. He's someone that should be part of the core team that you're building around.
Point is: you've played the same way after each Europa League tie.
Our wing play is simply woeful.
Rashford/Lingaard are bang average. It's just hard to win when they barely contribute. It's not just them. Martial to blame as well.
And our finishing continues to let us down.
Rashford/Lingaard are bang average. It's just hard to win when they barely contribute. It's not just them. Martial to blame as well.
And our finishing continues to let us down.
It is a system issue that nobody in the team seems to be able to score apart from Ibra and Mata ocassionaly. It is also not one game, it is game after game fater game.
Mourinho can't kick them in himself but at the same time I feel like any player would struggle right now in this team to score goals. Rashford and Martial has no problem scoring goals last years, Pogba had no problem scoring at Juve, Mkhitaryan was setting up chance after chance and scoring goals after goal last year for Dortmund. I'am sorry but how can it be the players, how the feck are these players not good enough ? Are the players of Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea so much better than these players ? I think not. It feels right now we could buy just about anybody from the teams that are above us and they would all sooner or latter start falling apart to pieces in front of the goal.
The luck factor is being hammered on and perhaps that can part to blame because today we must say we were unlucky a few times, WHU keeper sure keeped the best game in his career today but it feels like there is some deeper problem that isn't just going away like that. I don't know why we have this problem or what it is exactly or how it should be solved but I do know it is affectin our results immensely and in the end the coach is always responsible for that simple as that.
Maybay they don't train enough on finishing, maybay they are so afraid of missing, they are too nervous in front of the goal, maybay mourinho has been cursed by some black voodoo. I don't know but for me it is on mourinho and not as simple as we don't have the quality.
I am beginning to wonder, dare I say it, that it might have been a mistake signing Zlatan. Maybe we should have got a younger, yet still more experienced than Rashford. It would be competition and Marcus would just have to take his chances when he was in the side.
Just seen Ander's interview.... I loved all that raw emotion! So much better to hear than the usual PR bot answers.
Lack of defending is as costly we can't keep a clean sheet.. After LVG I for one am optimistic we dominate games and get chances galore.. something that was missing for last years.
Yeah I've got no idea what's up either to be fair. Even if you give it a thought that perhaps Rashford should play ahead of Zlatan in the #9 position, the way he fecked up that 1v1 today makes you have second thoughts. I have no idea what's wrong.
Pretty obvious we're short up front. Said it a few weeks ago and now after Arse and West Ham I'm seeing everyone on about it now.
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Rooney has played well just recently bless but he's gone. I liken Ibra to a Teddy Sheringham, excellent back up player and class all round, he's doing a good job but you don't rely on him alone. We just haven't replaced RVP or Rooney since Fergie left, not one manager has. 1-2 should be filled with the likes of RVN/RVP/Cole/Yorke/Rooney/Ronaldo.
We have a young lad in Rashford but he's not ready yet. Martial is another good player but doesn't seem prolific or at that stage we need. We're relying on hope that these young lads start pulling up trees, I think it could happen with Rashford but we really need 1-2 positions filled.
So far it's the same old story of being on target for 40-50 goals and finish 5-8th place. Jose is even making records that Moyes missed.
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Rooney has played well just recently bless but he's gone. I liken Ibra to a Teddy Sheringham, excellent back up player and class all round, he's doing a good job but you don't rely on him alone. We just haven't replaced RVP or Rooney since Fergie left, not one manager has. 1-2 should be filled with the likes of RVN/RVP/Cole/Yorke/Rooney/Ronaldo.
We have a young lad in Rashford but he's not ready yet. Martial is another good player but doesn't seem prolific or at that stage we need. We're relying on hope that these young lads start pulling up trees, I think it could happen with Rashford but we really need 1-2 positions filled.
So far it's the same old story of being on target for 40-50 goals and finish 5-8th place. Jose is even making records that Moyes missed.
Sorry mate. Clearly by 25 games in, we'll have pulled it all back, and be competing for the league.
Give away ridiculous free-kick at the start in a dangerous area, but get back in it again and first half was decent
Second half never really played very well but had chances.
Thought we were building a head of steam before this game but playing Lingard and Darmian was disappointing. The shape is not right.
Jones was solid, Valencia good, Pogba trying hard and now gets a game rest. Mata was quiet.
Disappointing, worst performance since Fenerbahce.
Second half never really played very well but had chances.
Thought we were building a head of steam before this game but playing Lingard and Darmian was disappointing. The shape is not right.
Jones was solid, Valencia good, Pogba trying hard and now gets a game rest. Mata was quiet.
Disappointing, worst performance since Fenerbahce.
It was really nice to see genuine frustration and being pissed off, to be honest. It made me think they probably all feel like this tonight, which actually is a really good thing. Having said that, they really are doing so much right and the fates are a little against us at the moment. It's a pity our aggression dipped when we came out for the second half, but that happens so much in football and we should still have put it to bed. Ah well...it's just going to be a slow slog to get to the consistency and goal scoring prowess we need, but there is no doubt that we are playing better football now than we have seen in many years. Mourinho is definitely changing things and making us play much better football. I really think he's going to turn us into a great team soon.
Don't know what to say. It's been clear for a while our finishing is the problem and it's still a huge problem which is brining us down.
Finally we're looking good in our attacking play, we're creating chances but most of the time, in the league at least, we look like we wouldn't hit a sea from a boat.
Whatever forward 4 we put we can't score.
I wasn't even depressed today, it's the same all stuf. I'm just confused.
Don't know.
There's a question weather Mourinho will get sacked if we don't manage top 4. My opinion is he shouldn't cause we're seeing progress and we're seeing improvement. I hope goals will start to come in. Of course after all this all comes down dramatically and if it can get worse even than this than we can talk about a sack. But don't want to think about it really.
Maybe we should prioritize EL now.
Finally we're looking good in our attacking play, we're creating chances but most of the time, in the league at least, we look like we wouldn't hit a sea from a boat.
Whatever forward 4 we put we can't score.
I wasn't even depressed today, it's the same all stuf. I'm just confused.
Don't know.
There's a question weather Mourinho will get sacked if we don't manage top 4. My opinion is he shouldn't cause we're seeing progress and we're seeing improvement. I hope goals will start to come in. Of course after all this all comes down dramatically and if it can get worse even than this than we can talk about a sack. But don't want to think about it really.
Maybe we should prioritize EL now.
I've said this many times: while we are in the EL, we will perform poorly in the EPL.
EL is our best opportunity for CL football seems like.
Don't you miss the good old days of creating 1 or 2 chances all game?
We need to stop conceding early in games. It really is ridiculous how players can't seem to keep their concentration within the first five minutes (and also in the last few minutes).
This next part is going to sound conspiracy theorist, but feck it:
Keepers, defences, refs. It's all against us. I'm fed up. The ball just seems to fall wrongly for us, whether it's a defender getting in the way or the keeper making a superhuman save; or one of our defenders having a momentary lapse of concentration. Guaranteed most of those shots go in if its any other team, via a deflection, hand, arse, own goal, whatever. The refs seem to delight in not giving us any decisions.
We need to go all out for the EL. There is no other way we're getting CL football next year.
This next part is going to sound conspiracy theorist, but feck it:
Keepers, defences, refs. It's all against us. I'm fed up. The ball just seems to fall wrongly for us, whether it's a defender getting in the way or the keeper making a superhuman save; or one of our defenders having a momentary lapse of concentration. Guaranteed most of those shots go in if its any other team, via a deflection, hand, arse, own goal, whatever. The refs seem to delight in not giving us any decisions.
We need to go all out for the EL. There is no other way we're getting CL football next year.
Cocktease of a season. You'll have sexy players like Mata, Herrera, Pogba and Zlatan doing their magic one minute, only for the Gods of football to decide that sexy time is over right when you're about to enter the promised land.
Good times. I especially loved it when De Gea was bailing us out every game
Martial has not yet shown himself to be a goal machine (I know, he is still very young), but he only scored 11 league goals last season, which is not a big tally.
If we are talking youth, I'd say Rashford is far more of a goal threat.
IMO it is Ibra and Miki who need to contribute to our goal tally - these are senior players, who last season scored lots of goals and were brought in to have immediate impact.
Put simply, we are genuinely dominating games but are struggling to score goals. 17 shots on goal and only 1 goal scored today. This is happening in too many games right now.
Yeah, the refs, they seem to love to give every decision against us, even the smallest. It's not an excuse, just an observation.
I wasn't just referring to him scoring goals, but also creating them. He was by far our biggest creative outlet last year. If we can get him back to that level we'll be fine, with all the other improvements this team has had.
Thread for the Wednesday match hasn't been created. I'm extremely disappointed that I can't channel my frustration by making a semi-ironic 1-1 score prediction and predicting a radical change-all-eleven lineup prediction, only to change it tomorrow into the one we all know is going to play.
missing chicharito game in and game out. we clearly cant finish well at the pl.
Yes, it's frustrating and feels sick another miserable season it seems, but our football is so much better than it was with Moyes and LVG. Mourinho may needs 1 or 2 more transfere windows and build up his own culture and maybe this season we should be concentrating on winning the E.L because it looks like our only hope to play in the C.L. I feel for the fans and me my self really it feels sick but we almost do everything to win the game but things just don't go our way YET.
Rashford and Martial - 19 and 20 years old; young players are inconsistent, which they have been. They've shown moments of brilliance, but you can't expect that out of them regularly yet.
Pogba - in a new, much faster, much more competitive league
Mkhi - also in a new league
Look at the players in the other teams you've mentioned, look at the ones doing well, and look at how long they've either been on that team or been in the Premier League. It's folly to expect people to pop into new leagues and onto new teams and play exactly like they did the season before... If they are able to, great, but it shouldn't be the expectation.
It seems that you're letting feelings get the better part of sound judgment.
You don't know the problem or the solution, but you know that you should blame the coach...?
I am a coach, and that is typically how it goes when fans are upset if my team has a poor result. Coaches get blamed all the time for things completely out of their control. Again, don't let emotion get the better part of sound judgement.
See response above
Last season we were creating two or three chances per game and it was obvious that it was the manager and his bizzare tactics that were holding us back.
This season is just weird. We are creating tons of chances per game at the moment but are being massively let down by our offensive players.
My love is for Manchester United. Not for a manager and not for a player. Last year I wanted LVG gone as I blamed him 100% for the shit that was being served up week after week.
This season I don't have that same feeling towards Mourinho. You can see that he is starting to make things click, but if your strikers are scorning chance after chance, tactically what can you do about it?
Hopefully we can bring in a top class Striker, Winger and defender over the next two transfer windows.
This season is just weird. We are creating tons of chances per game at the moment but are being massively let down by our offensive players.
My love is for Manchester United. Not for a manager and not for a player. Last year I wanted LVG gone as I blamed him 100% for the shit that was being served up week after week.
This season I don't have that same feeling towards Mourinho. You can see that he is starting to make things click, but if your strikers are scorning chance after chance, tactically what can you do about it?
Hopefully we can bring in a top class Striker, Winger and defender over the next two transfer windows.
Resigned myself to us not getting top four already.
I don't even think we played well this time either. Chances were still created, most in a half hour window in the first half after the blow of conceding early but the second half was just poor all round. Atmosphere was flat and so was the team.
I don't even think we played well this time either. Chances were still created, most in a half hour window in the first half after the blow of conceding early but the second half was just poor all round. Atmosphere was flat and so was the team.
Exactly! Well said
Just realized we play West Ham again in 3 days.
We need Luis Suarez kind of a player, that what really worth spending on 100m plus.
Ander Herrera is a gem. I don't know when we will fire on all cylinders. I don't get it. I really don't. We should have won the last 4 matches.
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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12%
Antonio Valencia
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9%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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7%
Ander Herrera
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5%
Phil Jones
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3%
Marcos Rojo
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3%
Juan Mata
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2%
David de Gea
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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2%
Jesse Lingard
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2%
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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1%
Wayne Rooney
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 349 ratings.
Score Predictions
460,17,31
- Man Utd win
- West Ham win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 30% Man Utd 2:0 West Ham
- 17% Man Utd 2:1 West Ham
- 16% Man Utd 3:0 West Ham
- 16% Man Utd 3:1 West Ham
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 West Ham
- 3% Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
- 3% Man Utd 5:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 4:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 4:1 West Ham
- 2% Man Utd 1:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 West Ham
- 1% Man Utd 2:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 1:3 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:1 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:2 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 5:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 0:5 West Ham
- 0% Man Utd 2:3 West Ham
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- West Ham
- Possession
- 68% 32%
- Shots
- 17 6
- Shots on Target
- 8 2
- Corners
- 8 4
- Fouls
- 16 16
Referee
Jonathan Moss
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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replaced by Marouane Fellaini
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replaced by Wayne Rooney
