[red forever]

Yes we are. LvG without four key players would be horrendous.

LVG had a shed load of injuries last season how else do you think Rashford, Borthwick-Jackson, Fosu-Mensah, Varela, Pereira all got opportunities last season blimey we were so short for one game Donald Love played.

 

[Godfather]

It was Jose's decision to buy Zlatan, whom I like, and make the sole focus of our goals. Our finishing has been poor throughout the entire team and he looks on the way to ruining Martial.

The forum is going to be bombarded with posts about 'we need to sign player X and we need to sign player Y' and I'm honestly sick of it, I've been for some time. Klopp took the squad that was given to him, with minimal outlay on signings, and is in a better position ATM than we are. I want a manager who can manage the squad, not spunk 100 million on one or two players and then pat himself on the back about great he is. Woodward shares in this blame.

Let's wait and see whether he as been a one season wonder or not first. I'm one of his biggest fans but saying Jose is ruining him just doesn't seem right when he just doesn't take his chances when he gets them.

 

[J-Stander]

But but but our fatigued players will come back well rested and stronger after the international break

We're just shit without Zlatan. Playing Young, Rooney, Carrick and Fellaini like it's 2012.

Hundreds of millions spent and we're still left with the same shite we had years ago. It's actually unbelievable.

 

[efraim]

These types of games don't upset me anymore. I've gotten used to it, but no matter how often this has happened this season there's no doubt in my mind that Jose is the right man for the job. As I don't feel any frustration I can look at this objectively, we didn't play as bad like people on this forum claim. The players tried to express themselves, and they actually tried to create chances and search for solutions (something we missed desperately during the LVG era). I like the confidence Rashford has, he's not afraid to dribble and attempt risky passes, and when he stepped up to take that free-kick (which Foster unfortunately saved) was badass to see. I'm not saying Rashford played well, but he definitely has the right mentality.

The bad thing is once again we weren't clinical enough, and it's also hard to score against a class goalkeeper and 10 men defending with their lives. I admit we weren't on our A-game today but considering the suspensions and injuries we have, we played with a weakened team against a Tony Pulis side, who just loves to defend.

The only chance we have for Champions League football is the Europa League, people called it on here months ago. But no matter how things turn out we have a great future ahead of us.

 

[Kostur]

I'm not just rating Blind for his pace, it's his passing and ability to get in. We need pace in midfield, movement behind defenders and moving the ball faster on ground passes, ie, not air balls that West brom were suited to clear 90% of the time, hell, any team could. Martial and Rashford were the positives, but the midfield let them down.

That argument is hardly as shite as our game was.

Movement behind defenders? What movement behind defenders who were sitting deep at 16th yard and even deeper? Also, what ability to get in? What does it matter? He makes those runs behind somebody? When did he do that? When was the last time he's played a midfielder for us?

Can't really understand how you can perceive Martial and Rashford as positives either, if anything, it's quite the opposite, only proving that neither of them is, at the moment, fit to pick up the mantle after Ibra.

I can only agree with the passing part, but that should've been Carrick off given how shit he was today, not Fellaini.

 

[FreakyJim]

Fellaini Carrick midfield with strikers that can't score.

Who the feck expected anything different?

Until we fix the midfield and find better wide players/strikers, we'll be outside top 4.

 

[Janson]

Let's wait and see whether he as been a one season wonder or not first. I'm one of his biggest fans but saying Jose is ruining him just doesn't seem right when he just doesn't take his chances when he gets them.

Jose ruining Martial was always gonna come up sooner or later, I really don't get it.

 

[Pscholes18]

Griezman this, Griesman that...how the feck is he going to even get a chance to score with this pile of shite behind him?

 

[Ban]

It was Jose's decision to buy Zlatan, whom I like, and make the sole focus of our goals. Our finishing has been poor throughout the entire team and he looks on the way to ruining Martial.

The forum is going to be bombarded with posts about 'we need to sign player X and we need to sign player Y' and I'm honestly sick of it, I've been for some time. Klopp took the squad that was given to him, with minimal outlay on signings, and is in a better position ATM than we are. I want a manager who can manage the squad, not spunk 100 million on one or two players and then pat himself on the back about great he is. Woodward shares in this blame.

Remind me, how did Klopp finish in his first season.

We're poor in the league, sure, but lets not mix things.

As for the result, unfortunately I expected it.

 

[Morpheus 7]

Not so good, but they are great at getting results like this.

So are we, at home.

 

[Catt]

Jose really not in the mood for talking today

What didn't he say?

 

[littleman]

I've seen dozens of posters in the last few months diss Ibrahimovic.

Truth is we're really poor without him. He's critical this season, and hopefully we have a plan that makes him only "important" next season.

 

[Roboc7]

Draw was the most likely result today because we have seen time and time again we struggle at home against any side that sits back and West Brom are very good at it.

LVG did a lot of damage to this squad, players were bought and sold like he pulled names out of a hat, until we can get a well balanced side with more pace and chemistry we are going nowhere. It will be another summer of 4-5 in and similar number out because we simply aren't a very good team.

 

[sunama]

That was West Brom's first away clean sheet in 14 games.. I am done with this bunch of toothless, bottlejobs cnuts.

I also wrote in the match day thread, that they conceded 6 goals in their last 3 games.
They come to OT and immediately are defensive beasts.

Put simply, without our 2 top goal scorers - Ibra and Mata - we may as well have offered the draw before the game started. Our other attackers are so bad at attacking, its embarrassing.
For me, Lingard was the only player who was thinking "score a goal". The rest of our attackers were thinking, "get the ball in the box".

 

[RedDevil-85]

Another borefest,another draw at OT and another goaless game were players dont step up.
Sad to see that we have not fixed/learned anything since that streak of draws a while back,just the same again.
Barely creating chances too.

Overall,very very disappointing match.

 

[MILLHILLMANC]

Until Jose realises that we need to play with wingers in a 442 against teams who park the bus and not this awful 451 then things will not change. Far too conservative and hasn't learnt lesson from games earlier in the season. Poor.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

Remind me, how did Klopp finish in his first season.

We're poor in the league, sure, but lets not mix things.

As for the result, unfortunately I expected it.

Today's result and the way the game went, was depressingly predictable, after about 20 minutes it just had the look of an increasingly frustrating afternoon with a 0-0 outcome. Only positive is WBA didn't catch United on the break and sneak all 3 points. WBA were hard to break down, yes, but United didn't put them under anywhere near enough pressure.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Remind me, how did Klopp finish in his first season.

We're poor in the league, sure, but lets not mix things.

As for the result, unfortunately I expected it.

In fairness Klopp took over in October and spent no money

I find it hard to give leeway for a manager who spent so much money

 

[Shady]

Frustrating. Foster had a hell of a game

Did he? Made like two or three saves.

 

[ChichaKagawa]

Now it might because I'm two reefers deep and chill like a watermelon but.... hear me out...that was not too bad.

WBA decided to offer nothing all game long. We had many many absentees and a lack of options. We needed a scrambled goal to open them up, it didn't happen, that's about it.

I can't really fault the players' for effort, from what I saw.

I have to agree.

Lingard, Fellaini, Young, Tony V, Rashford all had quite good games today. I get that everyone is just upset about the draw. But this was basically as good as we've played all season.

But Carrick was useless today. Gosh.

This game was screaming out for Juan Mata.

And Jose not using any of his young subs is scandalous.

 

[Ban]

Today's result and the way the game went, was depressingly predictable, after about 20 minutes it just had the look of an increasingly frustrating afternoon. Only positive is WBA didn't catch United on the break and sneak all 3 points.

Yeah, we should try to win EL it seems and wait for the next season..

 

[WyoManU]

I'm genuinely surprised that there are people who think we are a good side and expected a win today. We aren't. We haven't been for quite a while. I predicted 7th place at the start of this season and I think there is a good chance Everton will pass us given our form and fixture list. If you look at the buys we have made recently, including at the end of Fergies tenure, they have been overall pretty poor. A lot of much smaller clubs by value out there buy and produce players of better quality than we do with consistency. I was called all sorts of horrible names when I suggested over the holiday period that this squad needed a major overhaul still. No, no no, maybe one or two players and we can challenge for everything, they cried. Really? We have a couple aged dinosaurs that are done and need replacing. We have a whole load of average players who won't win us anything. We have several very good youth prospects that don't produce today on a regular basis. In the middle of all that we have some exciting talent, but by no means do we have a balanced squad ready to win the PL and CL.

 

[MILLHILLMANC]

I also wrote in the match day thread, that they conceded 6 goals in their last 3 games.
They come to OT and immediately are defensive beasts.

Put simply, without our 2 top goal scorers - Ibra and Mata - we may as well have offered the draw before the game started. Our other attackers are so bad at attacking, its embarrassing.
For me, Lingard was the only player who was thinking "score a goal". The rest of our attackers were thinking, "get the ball in the box".

Rubbish. Not the players - it's the formation at home that is all wrong and been proven time and time again with both LVG and Jose. 451 at home is utter cack

 

[Philadelphian]

The problem with Martial, Lingard and Rashford is that they all love coming short instead of running into space off the ball. Let Micky come short and the rest make runs to receive it. It's all to feet all the time.

All of our attackers want to be in the same space all the time. Everyone always crowding the middle. Even when they receive it wide their instinct is to cut it back inside. Always. And today rather than Shaw who could've maybe pulled their back line a little wider, we played fecking Young who obviously needs to cut it inside again. We have no one besides Valencia who can actually get to the byline and he's our RB.

It's such an out of balance attack. Griezmann doesn't solve those issues at all. We need fecking wingers or we need inverted players that are actually good.

Martial
Rashford
Lingard
Mata
Rooney

None of them should be considered starters next year and I'd guess 3 of them are gone, either sold or loaned.

 

[Kostur]

What didn't he say?

'I like pink ponies and eating toasts with debris'.
i'm a dick, i'm sorry

 

[Son Of Sam]

This was the most predictable result - with half of our first team missing and Pulis parking the bus, the most likely outcome was a goalless draw. Rooney ruined the last attack of the game with his tantrums.....I have never seen anything like it.


I am happy we play again on Tuesday. At least, Herrera & Ibra should be back for that game. A scoreless draw isn't a bad result in isolation - but having played 10 draws before today's match, I can understand the anger. A win against Everton should numb this frustration.

 

[R'hllor]

Whats this bullshit now about Evans?! Bunch of gold fishes here,whole CAF wanted Evans gone after some really weird performances

 

[Pscholes18]

Remind me, how did Klopp finish in his first season.

We're poor in the league, sure, but lets not mix things.

As for the result, unfortunately I expected it.

Piss on Klopp all you want, Pool play much better attractive attacking football while we look shite.

 

[Acquire Me]

Just not good enough :/ Good thing we will get Griezmann

 

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Lets be honest we at no better under Jose than we were under LVG. And the problems are exactly the same we cannot break down sides who sit deep at Old Trafford.

Under Van Gaal there were at least some matches with intelligent attacks with about the same limited players as today. He would have wished he could put all these players on last year.

LvG didn't get the smart attacking play down like he did in his earlier career, but Mourinho has just neglected it. He relies fully on Zlatan to come up with the ideas and moves. That's not necessary, also with Zlatan a manager can train on attacks with one touch passing where every player knows when and where to move.

 

[Rossa]

Well, that was depressing. Mhikitariyan was downright poor; Carrick was terrible, Young looked to stumble every time he had the ball, and even then he was decent compared to the rest. Valencia looked tired, for once. Rashford had the touch of a pub footballer. Rojo was good, and Bailly continues to be quite entertaining for a defender.

When teams park the bus against us, you just know that we won't score. We are terrible at breaking down defenses that sit low.

 

[Ban]

Piss on Klopp all you want, Pool play much better attractive attacking football while we look shite.

It's Klopp's second season with Liverpool. I'm not pissing on Klopp I'm just trying to show some perspective.

 

[efraim]

Just not good enough :/ Good thing we will get Griezmann

He will probably only come if we get Champions League though

 

[Ban]

Under Van Gaal there were at least some matches with intelligent attacks with about the same limited players as today. He would have wished he could put all these players on last year.

LvG didn't get the smart attacking play down like he did in his earlier career, but Mourinho has just neglected it. He relies fully on Zlatan to come up with the ideas and moves. That's not necessary, also with Zlatan a manager can train on attacks with one touch passing where every player knows when and where to move.

Intelligent attacks, what intelligent attacks?
We barely got close to goal.

 

[Get In Scholesy]

I'm too bored to be angry even

This is a perfect summary of my feels right now.

 

[Catt]

At least our plumming system is up and running again.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

We're becoming Draw Master this season...and another Opposing Keeper suddenly becomes World Class playing against us.

Tbf, Pulis's West Brom is very resilient and disciplined. Credits where it's due. Still, our finishing bar Zlatan is so bad, far from top teams standard.

Mourinho played all his attacking cards, and we still couldn't win. Disappointing especially when Chelsea lost, and our rivals are picking up points ahead of us.

Trying to be positive....

Rashford's distance shooting is promising, and is Rooney's fire start to lit up? It's been a while seeing him exploded like that. Nice sight.

 

[Vida5Nick]

Movement behind defenders? What movement behind defenders who were sitting deep at 16th yard and even deeper? Also, what ability to get in? What does it matter? He makes those runs behind somebody? When did he do that? When was the last time he's played a midfielder for us?

Can't really understand how you can perceive Martial and Rashford as positives either, if anything, it's quite the opposite, only proving that neither of them is, at the moment, fit to pick up the mantle after Ibra.

I can only agree with the passing part, but that should've been Carrick off given how shit he was today, not Fellaini.

Then we push up, make quick interchanging passes and move the ball forward and attack, duh? You seriously seem dense as the logic to drill crosses against defenders that are tall and 99% likely to clear and outjump and likely to miss our intended if the pass is mishit or defender gets there first. We needed pace instead of slow zombie passing and reactive movement that were there in spades today. Pass forward, through balls, short quick passes, movement off the ball and shoot? That draws out defenders alongside wide fluid movement that stretches out the backline.


Blind has played in midfield for us, or have you a short memory? He played numerous times under VG.

Fellaini should've been off. he offers ABSOLUTELY nothing. Carrick had poor passing, but still offered more than Fellaini does. He's a waste of space and slows down our zombie midfield.

 

[Android1974]

“What I can say is we tried. We had six players absolutely phenomenal in their attitude, mentality and consistency. Valencia, Bailly, Rojo, Young, Carrick and Fellaini. And then we have four creative players that we need to score a goal and they didn’t. They had flashes, moments, they didn’t have consistency and we dropped two points for that.”

Singling people out, he?

 

[Devil81]

Disgusted in West Brom today, they had zero interest in playing football to win. Pulis is so anti football it's horrible to watch.