Nah it wasn’t, he picked up a ball and booted it into the crowd, it’s a booking in the new laws.
PL D FA Premier League
Liverpool 2:2 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 05 January 2025
Jonny Evans wasnt at the club when we last won at Anfield and wasnt part of the squad the time before.
I think if Harry Maguire had have scored that at the end there would have been a full forensic examination carried out on it by VAR with it eventually being ruled out.
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Very happy with the players' attitude today. Composed on the ball and not panicing when pressured.
Both United goals were well constructed, and we exploited Arnolds limitations brilliantly. I was a bit upset with De Ligts defending when Liverpool got their first goal, but that penalty was just bad luck really.
Also I hated how right after the game, the media focused on Maguires miss, instead of the general performance of the team. Had the pass been on the ground, we would have won the game. But hey, can't be mad about a point at Anfield on current form.
Both United goals were well constructed, and we exploited Arnolds limitations brilliantly. I was a bit upset with De Ligts defending when Liverpool got their first goal, but that penalty was just bad luck really.
Also I hated how right after the game, the media focused on Maguires miss, instead of the general performance of the team. Had the pass been on the ground, we would have won the game. But hey, can't be mad about a point at Anfield on current form.
When used to judge a once-off game, yeah it's not overly useful.
You have to use it over a bigger sample size, say 20/30/40 games, as with any other statistic really.
Great interview from him.
What!? I assumed Fernandes got it. Salah was average today.
What on earth? Did Oliver decide this too?
Excellent from Leicester match onwards
What?
Just this morning I was listening to Forlán being asked about "raising your game" at derbies.
Looked completely non-plussed about it, "you can enjoy it more of course, get more satisfaction from the win... and the crowd... but you are not very professional if you have an extra gear reserved only for those games, are you?".
Me too, it really is emperor new clothes bollox
It's strange. I feel xG has been right mostly this season for our games but this seems off
Stats like possession and shots are factual and quantifiable.
XG is not even a real thing and seems to be horribly flawed. So even over a large sample it isn't going to be reliable.
People bang on about it all the time, amd often it seems to involve arguing that the results aren't matching the xg and therefore aren't a fair reflection. They are and always will be a fairer reflection than xg, which makes xg completely amd utterly pointless.
Solid performance, solid result. I love the fact that Amorim is not letting the bad results and pile on from pundits get to him. He’s sticking to his philosophy, sticking to his style of play. Not crumbling, when others like ETH & LVG did so under much less negative results.
I genuinely believe pain now will make us better next year, as opposed to playing survival football which will get results and would probably have seen us beat Forest & Wolves, but ultimately masked the cracks & deficiencies. It’s a project. Anyone who watches can see there’s been lots of improvements since he’s arrived.
I genuinely believe pain now will make us better next year, as opposed to playing survival football which will get results and would probably have seen us beat Forest & Wolves, but ultimately masked the cracks & deficiencies. It’s a project. Anyone who watches can see there’s been lots of improvements since he’s arrived.
Dirty cnut.
Has to be a joke
Well chuffed with that performance. Ugarte was incredible. Bruno will need an ice bath after the work he put in. Kobbie had his best game in a while. Dalot was more than decent and the rest upped their game. Silly penalty to give away and Onana should have done better but if you'd offered that performance and result before kick-off I'd have taken your arm off.
We need some sort of technology that reviews deliberate actions like this! If only there was some form of video camera tech.
You’ll never see a Liverpool player given a red at Anfield.
A very enjoyable game of football between two excellent teams on the pitch today.
The team played with more confidence and trust than on any other day so far—even Dalot was dribbling through players! These are encouraging signs that should lead to better results in the coming months. I truly trust Amorim.
Onana performed well and was not at fault for either of the two goals. Maguire and Licha were brilliant in their own unique styles. De Ligt, however, made two mistakes, and if he doesn’t regain his level soon, he might be replaced by Yoro. Maz had a quiet game, but Dalot had his best performance of the season.
The midfield still left some gaps, but overall, Ugarte and Mainoo had solid games. Ugarte is a fighter—the kind of player you want in your team—and Mainoo showed good judgment, knowing when to keep things simple and when to take risks. That said, I still think we need someone who can dictate play from deep, even though Bruno took on that role for the last 20 minutes.
Bruno had an excellent game. He was much more composed with and without the ball compared to other matches. Maybe resting for a game was good for him. Amad was anonymous for large parts of the game but still managed to make a decisive impact. However, it’s clear his level has dropped since being moved to the #10 position. In games like today, I’d like to see Mainoo tried as one of the #10s.
Højlund had a good game, making smart runs into good positions. Other players also tried to find him more often, likely as a result of the increased training sessions this week.
As for the substitutes, Yoro was fantastic. It’s not easy to come into a game like this and perform at his level. Garnacho played his best game since Amorim arrived, though I don’t see a future for him in the #10 position. Unless he adapts to playing as a wingback, he might need to be sold. Zirkzee still lacks confidence—a confident striker would have taken that shot. That said, his performance wasn’t disastrous, which is progress.
Ruben did a great job, making the right changes at the right time. I’m confident we’re heading in the right direction under his guidance. Games like today show that the team’s biggest obstacle is confidence.
The team played with more confidence and trust than on any other day so far—even Dalot was dribbling through players! These are encouraging signs that should lead to better results in the coming months. I truly trust Amorim.
Onana performed well and was not at fault for either of the two goals. Maguire and Licha were brilliant in their own unique styles. De Ligt, however, made two mistakes, and if he doesn’t regain his level soon, he might be replaced by Yoro. Maz had a quiet game, but Dalot had his best performance of the season.
The midfield still left some gaps, but overall, Ugarte and Mainoo had solid games. Ugarte is a fighter—the kind of player you want in your team—and Mainoo showed good judgment, knowing when to keep things simple and when to take risks. That said, I still think we need someone who can dictate play from deep, even though Bruno took on that role for the last 20 minutes.
Bruno had an excellent game. He was much more composed with and without the ball compared to other matches. Maybe resting for a game was good for him. Amad was anonymous for large parts of the game but still managed to make a decisive impact. However, it’s clear his level has dropped since being moved to the #10 position. In games like today, I’d like to see Mainoo tried as one of the #10s.
Højlund had a good game, making smart runs into good positions. Other players also tried to find him more often, likely as a result of the increased training sessions this week.
As for the substitutes, Yoro was fantastic. It’s not easy to come into a game like this and perform at his level. Garnacho played his best game since Amorim arrived, though I don’t see a future for him in the #10 position. Unless he adapts to playing as a wingback, he might need to be sold. Zirkzee still lacks confidence—a confident striker would have taken that shot. That said, his performance wasn’t disastrous, which is progress.
Ruben did a great job, making the right changes at the right time. I’m confident we’re heading in the right direction under his guidance. Games like today show that the team’s biggest obstacle is confidence.
Steven Gerrard would like a word
This.
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Or at least one that was mutual and didn't automatically favour one team!
Stating the obvious a much improved performance.
I thought Maguire played well today, and showed the leadership qualities Amorim had asked for - good man management from Amorim and it looks to be working already with Harry.
Yoro had a nice cameo, he looks like he could be special - a highlight tackle on Nunez and absolutely beautiful weight of passing.
Dalot and Mazraoui were fine.
De Ligt I worry about, he wasn't terrible but I am certain a quality striker would look forward to playing against him which is dangerous at this level.
The central midfield pairing of Ugarte and Mainoo worked well. It's the best I have seen Kobbie play in a while and for me Ugarte was our man of the match. (and currently our most important player)
Bruno (in particular) and Amad played well, long may this continue.
Rasmus is sadly not the answer for us up front. He seems a great guy, but we don't need a nice guy, we need a menace who has the ability to hold up the ball, bring others into play and score goals.
It is our biggest problem (along with goalkeeper - although Onana couldn't be faulted today).
In my opinion Amorim should stick with this side as best he can for the next lot of games rather than his current policy of rotation.
We are crying out for some consistency, and this could stabilise our results and move us up the table.
In January we should look at a centre forward and left wing back as our highest priorities, although I am convinced we will need to replace the goalkeeper as soon as possible and he will cost us at the worst times.
All in all encouraging signs for the future.
I thought Maguire played well today, and showed the leadership qualities Amorim had asked for - good man management from Amorim and it looks to be working already with Harry.
Yoro had a nice cameo, he looks like he could be special - a highlight tackle on Nunez and absolutely beautiful weight of passing.
Dalot and Mazraoui were fine.
De Ligt I worry about, he wasn't terrible but I am certain a quality striker would look forward to playing against him which is dangerous at this level.
The central midfield pairing of Ugarte and Mainoo worked well. It's the best I have seen Kobbie play in a while and for me Ugarte was our man of the match. (and currently our most important player)
Bruno (in particular) and Amad played well, long may this continue.
Rasmus is sadly not the answer for us up front. He seems a great guy, but we don't need a nice guy, we need a menace who has the ability to hold up the ball, bring others into play and score goals.
It is our biggest problem (along with goalkeeper - although Onana couldn't be faulted today).
In my opinion Amorim should stick with this side as best he can for the next lot of games rather than his current policy of rotation.
We are crying out for some consistency, and this could stabilise our results and move us up the table.
In January we should look at a centre forward and left wing back as our highest priorities, although I am convinced we will need to replace the goalkeeper as soon as possible and he will cost us at the worst times.
All in all encouraging signs for the future.
From the 1st minute the team were at it.I was expecting a 2-0 defeat but not the double figures some people were spouting, that freak 7-0 has scarred us!
I think a draw was the least we deserved, it was a fantastic performance but we really need to build on this, this should be the standard for Man Utd.
No surprise to hear Slot talking nonsense, I was expecting him to disect our tactics to earn a lucky draw.
I think a draw was the least we deserved, it was a fantastic performance but we really need to build on this, this should be the standard for Man Utd.
No surprise to hear Slot talking nonsense, I was expecting him to disect our tactics to earn a lucky draw.
Some great performances and quite pleased with what Amorin said after the game and him being visibly furious with our players.
Mainoo- overall was very good. Really sloppy passing at times but his ability to dribble the ball out of tight spaces is brilliant. If only he had a motor.
Bruno also skipping past people was quite a welcome surprise. Played very well but again a few sloppy occasions and poor passing.
Ugarte was also quite brilliant but just that one moment where he made a tactical error but he was probably man of the match for me.
Overall very happy with today considering I expected us to get dismantled.
Mainoo- overall was very good. Really sloppy passing at times but his ability to dribble the ball out of tight spaces is brilliant. If only he had a motor.
Bruno also skipping past people was quite a welcome surprise. Played very well but again a few sloppy occasions and poor passing.
Ugarte was also quite brilliant but just that one moment where he made a tactical error but he was probably man of the match for me.
Overall very happy with today considering I expected us to get dismantled.
What a difference winning duels can make.
I think at some point they show on TV that United won like 2/3 of the duels during the first half.
I’m really of the same opinion as Amorim, the real difference is not in the system or training but in having the right mentality and fighting spirit
I think at some point they show on TV that United won like 2/3 of the duels during the first half.
I’m really of the same opinion as Amorim, the real difference is not in the system or training but in having the right mentality and fighting spirit
What's up with xg results, they obviously had a penalty but even accounts for that there's no way they'd be having such a lead in that regard, in fact we probably had more high quality chances all things considered.
Posession and shots are no more reliable at predicting the outcome of a once off game than xG is.
And I disagree with your point... xG is quantifiable. Like for example, if Amad's goal had an xG of 0.4, then that's telling us out of 100 similar observed chances, 40 were scored.. that's probably overly simplistic and I'm sure the methodology is a lot more complex than I have explained, but you get the gist.
Therefore, the stat is only really useful over a larger sample of games.. like once off your strikers are having a bad day, or the opposition score from improbable shots, then clearly that's just a once off. But over a long period if a team underperforms their xG or is conceding more than their xA, then clearly that's a valuable piece of information ie strikers wasting chances consistently, defenders making individual mistakes, GK not saving enough shots or whatever..
Saying the stat is useless because it doesn't reflect a once off game is like tossing a coin twice, getting heads twice and then declaring the coin is biased. In reality, if you toss it another 98 times, on average, you have a 50:50 chance of heads or tails. But two tosses is not a large enough sample to tell anything.
I agree this game only will feel really good if see the same levels of commitment for the majority of the rest of the games for the season.
That’s ridiculous. Nowhere near as ridiculous as the idiots who voted on the BBC Sport poll for our game against Man City who voted for Matheus Nunes being man of the match in said game.
Thats because it usually is broadly correct. No it doesn't tell you how much a team dominated. It doesn't tell you whether you put in 10 crosses that were 1 inch away from a tap in for your striker but its broadly correct and anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Its literally statistics with massive datasets. Its not made up. Its not some bloke going "I reckon a player sticks that in the net about 3 times out of 10".
Better players will allow you to outperform your xG a bit and worse player will underperform. It simply tells us the overall quality of chance that were missed where a player had an attempt on goal. Its a useful metric. Its much more useful when you put it in the context of watching the game however if you care about anything more than pure goals...
Not panicking seemed to be the most effective method in dealing with the pressure. I was also glad to see us defending well in the final third.
Tbf they scored the same amount of goals today, 1 should have had an assist
What game were they watching? Ugarte was the best player on the pitch, imo.
We could've won that and walked away proud of the result and performance.
Liverpool weren't very good but it was partly because we definitely were. They threatened a couple of times in the first half to cut us open as at least one of their midfielders ended up on the ball in the middle in acres having just received a pass that cut out about three of our players but they didn't do anything with it.
It was hilarious when we scored.
De Ligt had a mare for both goals.
Shame. Something we'll likely squander the good graces of by losing to Southampton.
Liverpool weren't very good but it was partly because we definitely were. They threatened a couple of times in the first half to cut us open as at least one of their midfielders ended up on the ball in the middle in acres having just received a pass that cut out about three of our players but they didn't do anything with it.
It was hilarious when we scored.
De Ligt had a mare for both goals.
Shame. Something we'll likely squander the good graces of by losing to Southampton.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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38%
Bruno Fernandes
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5%
Lisandro Martinez
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3%
Amad Diallo
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2%
Diogo Dalot
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2%
Harry Maguire
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1%
Andre Onana
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1%
Kobbie Mainoo
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 335 ratings.
Score Predictions
41,192,12
- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 15% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 15% Liverpool 3:0 Man Utd
- 13% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 7% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 9:0 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 6:0 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 7:0 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 5:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 8:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 6:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 1:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 9:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 5:2 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Liverpool
- Man Utd
- Overall possession
- 52.3% 47.7%
- Shots
- 19 13
- Shots on target
- 6 4
- Total touches in the box
- 33 31
- Goalkeeper saves
- 2 4
- Fouls
- 10 13
- Corners
- 6 9
Referee
Michael Oliver
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Leny Yoro
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replaced by Alejandro Garnacho
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replaced by Joshua Zirkzee
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