Pogba

[Suv666]

Buying Pogba was a mistake. We shouldn't go for Neymar, Griezmann, Pogba like players who care more about fame than football.

 

[Kajus]

There's probably no truth in this but isn't this essentially what happened when Mourinho was sacked? If he has made this demand, and that's a big if, he shouldn't play for the club again.

I think you misread the tweet mate, he wants Rangnick to stay. It’s the opposite of what happened when Mourinho got sacked.

Should get rid regardless though. This just means that no other team is insane enough to meet his demands.

 

[wolvored]

I see many saying Sancho is on 350k, that would've been done under Murtough no? Seems like we're still doing the same mistakes. How can you refuse Rashford 350k if Sancho is on that if true, both not worth that and really need to work up to that level.

Think woodward still pulling strings this season start, so that would be on him. In fact Woodward doesn't leave until next Tuesday, so technically still in charge now.

 

[Bebestation]

Knew this was likely PSG as soon as Pogba was running his contract down.

Lingard is doing the same going to some weaker team for high contracts.

F*ck Raiola players.

 

[JPRouve]

Yes I agree with that. Just come out from the start and say that he is here for short term with the possibility of a long term tenure.

I don't precisely remember the timeline but isn't that what was hinted around the time Rangnick was appointed, including his initial press conference?

 

[ManchesterManchester]

Buying Pogba was a mistake. We shouldn't go for Neymar, Griezmann, Pogba like players who care more about fame than football.

That is why we bought Pogba though. We even made a pitch to him about how we could increase his social media popularity and stardom. We actively look for players like Ronaldo for marketing reasons. I totally agree with you though mate. The sooner that we become a football club again, the better.

 

[sparx99]

That is why we bought Pogba though. We even made a pitch to him about how we could increase his social media popularity and stardom. We actively look for players like Ronaldo for marketing reasons. I totally agree with you though mate. The sooner that we become a football club again, the better.

I find it hard to see how we contain that now though. We can make any player in world football a marketing star so it doesn’t matter who we sign. The club are always going to maximise marketing whoever plays for us.

 

[arthurka]

I don't precisely remember the timeline but isn't that what was hinted around the time Rangnick was appointed, including his initial press conference?

Ralf did it the club never did.

 

[mctrials23]

That is why we bought Pogba though. We even made a pitch to him about how we could increase his social media popularity and stardom. We actively look for players like Ronaldo for marketing reasons. I totally agree with you though mate. The sooner that we become a football club again, the better.

Yeah, I can't believe that already have Cavani we thought "do you know what would make us loads better and help our young players develop? Ronaldo" . It was a marketing and fan placation stunt.

 

[JPRouve]

Ralf did it the club never did.

But has the club told anyone that Rangnick wasn't an option beyond this summer or did we collectively assumed it?

 

[arthurka]

But has the club told anyone that Rangnick wasn't an option beyond this summer or did we collectively assumed it?

No that is what we had problem with.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Buying Pogba was a mistake. We shouldn't go for Neymar, Griezmann, Pogba like players who care more about fame than football.

Is this the same Pogba and Griezmann who won the World Cup or are we talking about someone else here?



Care more about fame do they? hmmmm I'm not so sure.

Give me a break, the ridiculous moral grandstanding on this forum is a joke.

 

[ICHM]

We should only re-sign Pogba (for less money) if he gets rid of the poison Raiola and we never buy another player with Raiola as their account manager. Raiola players always turn out unsettled and very expensive.

 

[JPRouve]

No that is what we had problem with.

So we make up problems to get upset with? Because realistically the club shouldn't make any definitive statement in November/early December when there is little chance that they have a clear idea about who is going to be available this summer and willing to come. You essentially have a problem with the club not shooting in his own foot.

 

[JPRouve]

Is this the same Pogba and Griezmann who won the World Cup or are we talking about someone else here?



Care more about fame do they? hmmmm I'm not so sure.

Give me a break, the ridiculous moral grandstanding on this forum is a joke.

Seriously. If you know nothing about Football you would think that these players didn't win anything and didn't compete at the highest level for the vast majority of their careers. That's pure tomfoolery.

 

[Infra-red]

I don't like all this noise hinting at Rangnick staying longer than the interim period. Have we not learned anything with Ole ?

Maybe we're keen on Enrique/Mancini - that would mean Ralf having to stick around until at least December.

Re Pogba - I can't believe that the same player has been allowed to leave the same club on a free transfer, twice! We really should have got rid of him a couple of years ago - he's been a complete waste of space since 2019.

 

[Acquire Me]

Rangnick probably rate Pogba a great deal since he wants to stay now?

 

[NinjaZombie]

Probably because there's no club out there crazy enough to want pay him and his agent what he wants.

Which is a surprise. I'd thought PSG would be all over that. Marketing wise, it makes sense for them to have Pogba at their club.

 

[kouroux]

Probably because there's no club out there crazy enough to want pay him and his agent what he wants.

Which is a surprise. I'd thought PSG would be all over that. Marketing wise, it makes sense for them to have Pogba at their club.

They also still value the football aspect of things

 

[Suv666]

Is this the same Pogba and Griezmann who won the World Cup or are we talking about someone else here?

Proves my point even more.
When they can be arsed they play good football but they just don't care about Barca and United. Here for the clout and the Instagram followers.

 

[JPRouve]

Proves my point even more.
When they can be arsed they play good football but they just don't care about Barca and United. Here for the clout and the Instagram followers.

So no matter what your point is proved? At no point you consider that Football is a team sport and that players play better when they are surrounded with better players, better coaching and an environment that fit them?

 

[TwoSheds]

Will be interesting to see him with Bruno properly alongside him rather than in front. Still don't think it will work mind but would be great if it did.

 

[diarm]

I'm all for him staying on, if it's on a reasonable wage. Sign a 4 year deal on 200k a week and I'd be delighted, because it would show a cracking footballer is committed to being here for the right reasons.

But not if he's only staying because we're the only mugs in football who were willing to give him 3 or 400k a week.

 

[Suv666]

So no matter what your point is proved? At no point you consider that Football is a team sport and that players play better when they are surrounded with better players, better coaching and an environment that fit them?

So Pogba can only perform surrounded with one of the best squads in the world like France has? Doesn't sound like a good player to me if he needs to have gold around him to play decent.

Pogba has had different managers with different management styles whom have tried to play him at different positions. He's been mediocre everywhere.

Besides what's the excuses for the individual errors he makes? Surely the players around him aren't responsible for the times he tries to dribble 3 players in his own half that leads to a shot at goal for the opposition?

The Pogba cult is just as annoying as the Martial FC cult. Its the fault of everyone else but the player. Can't accept the fact that both lack drive, ambition and a work ethic.

 

[lsd]

Is this the same Pogba and Griezmann who won the World Cup or are we talking about someone else here?



Care more about fame do they? hmmmm I'm not so sure.

Give me a break, the ridiculous moral grandstanding on this forum is a joke.

Oh come on now so they won a World Cup and have proven themselves over and over again on the big stage.

They don't have that good old British bulldog spirit like Maguire and Kane do they? That's what we need at United

 

[JPRouve]

So Pogba can only perform surrounded with one of the best squads in the world like France has? Doesn't sound like a good player to me if he needs to have gold around him to play decent.

Pogba has had different managers with different management styles whom have tried to play him at different positions. He's been mediocre everywhere.

Besides what's the excuses for the individual errors he makes? Surely the players around him aren't responsible for the times he tries to dribble 3 players in his own half that leads to a shot at goal for the opposition?

The Pogba cult is just as annoying as the Martial FC cult. Its the fault of everyone else but the player. Can't accept the fact that both lack drive, ambition and a work ethic.

It's amazing that you try to play some sort of cult angle when you spout hyperbolic nonsense. The amazing part is that the player that you describe as mediocre has generally been considered by redcafe as our best performer during his time at the club which is supported by the MOTM stats. That reality should tell you something about his surrounding. And yes, if you want the best out of players and if you want consistent high level team performances, you need one of the best squads and one of the best manager in the world, how can fans of Manchester United even suggest otherwise?

I can understand people being disappointed with Pogba or any other player but I can't understand frankley stupid takes like yours because I'm pretty sure that the players you use as a references aren't playing with subpar teammates or managers.

 

[crossy1686]

I think you misread the tweet mate, he wants Rangnick to stay. It’s the opposite of what happened when Mourinho got sacked.

Should get rid regardless though. This just means that no other team is insane enough to meet his demands.

Ah you’re right, I did. Read it first thing after waking up. Agree though, he should be off after the last few years of what’s been going on.

 

[redsunited]

I won't believe a word from Pogba's camp. This is to temporarily placate the club and fans to get minutes for Pogba before he leaves in summer, so his World Cup plans goes smoothly.

 

[red4ever 79]

Yawn. Goodbye Pogba 4 months left. Happy days

 

[Suv666]

And yes, if you want the best out of players and if you want consistent high level team performances, you need one of the best squads and one of the best manager in the world, how can fans of Manchester United even suggest otherwise?

Pogba is supposed to be the player that creates that squad. He isnt supposed to pass the buck. He should be the player who others rely on.

Pogba fans act as if the RedCafe and United fans have have it out for him and he's some sort of victim even though his agent keeps taking potshot at the club every chance he gets and Pogba himself has a stinky attitude.

If you're mediocre well that's fine we have plenty of mediocre players as well like Fred, McT etc but they don't demand insane wages nor act like they are Zidane. You dont get to act like a diva when you're shite.

Also if Pogba the world cup winner is such a talent surely teams would be lining to snatch him up?
Deal of the window that Ex-Juve and United wc winning midfield on a free.
Where are these teams? Surely if JPRouve has clocked that its the fault of the management and Pogba is the bees knees others can see that as well?

 

[Robertd0803]

I might be in the minority but Im sort of really looking forward to Pogba coming back and seeing how Ralf lines up with him in the side. My guess is McTominay holding and Pogba playing alongside Bruno.

 

[arthurka]

So we make up problems to get upset with? Because realistically the club shouldn't make any definitive statement in November/early December when there is little chance that they have a clear idea about who is going to be available this summer and willing to come. You essentially have a problem with the club not shooting in his own foot.

So you think if the plan was all along to get Ralf to be here long term instead of some advisory role the club shouldn't have announced it? Instead of some crap interim manager story? Ok fine. I think it would be better for all that are involved from the players to the fans but ok that's just my take on it. But to get back in topic I hope he does then show us some real manager credentials and helps us continue without Pogba.

 

[JPRouve]

Pogba is supposed to be the player that creates that squad. He isnt supposed to pass the buck. He should be the player who others rely on.

Pogba fans act as if the RedCafe and United fans have have it out for him and he's some sort of victim even though his agent keeps taking potshot at the club every chance he gets and Pogba himself has a stinky attitude.

If you're mediocre well that's fine we have plenty of mediocre players as well like Fred, McT etc but they don't demand insane wages nor act like they are Zidane. You dont get to act like a diva when you're shite.

Also if Pogba the world cup winner is such a talent surely teams would be lining to snatch him up?
Deal of the window that Ex-Juve and United wc winning midfield on a free.
Where are these teams? Surely if JPRouve has clocked that its the fault of the management and Pogba is the bees knees others can see that as well?

He isn't and the fact that in 2022 you keep saying something like that is amazing. Pogba has never been that kind of player, he wasn't when we purchased him and he never had the characteristic to be that kind of player. You also don't know what Pogba wants, I mean maybe you do, but I don't. I know that his current wage is far from the top and not that close to what someone like Zidane would have earned in 2022.

As for your last point, maybe I'm crazy but aren't we all in agreement with the idea that our squad has mainly been subpar and full of deadwoods? Haven't we all been in agreement that the management of this club has been subpar? Or does it all disappear when we talk about Pogba?

 

[FrankDrebin]

I like McTom but he's incapable of being a holding player.
It'll limit us and himself in that role. He's a more effective b2b midfielder.

 

[Smores]

I might be in the minority but Im sort of really looking forward to Pogba coming back and seeing how Ralf lines up with him in the side. My guess is McTominay holding and Pogba playing alongside Bruno.

I think most are to be honest through pure curiosity. Unless he transforms I'll be happy that Pogba is going but who knows maybe Ralf will finally find a system for Pogba where all his weaknesses go away.

Also it amuses me that we still have posters who don't know better than to argue with French posters about French players. Don't waste your time.

 

[tenpoless]

The Sun.. lets just ignore it and see it ourselves. No need to trust that garbage paper.

 

[redmanx]

Pogba is supposed to be the player that creates that squad. He isnt supposed to pass the buck. He should be the player who others rely on.

Pogba fans act as if the RedCafe and United fans have have it out for him and he's some sort of victim even though his agent keeps taking potshot at the club every chance he gets and Pogba himself has a stinky attitude.

If you're mediocre well that's fine we have plenty of mediocre players as well like Fred, McT etc but they don't demand insane wages nor act like they are Zidane. You dont get to act like a diva when you're shite.

Also if Pogba the world cup winner is such a talent surely teams would be lining to snatch him up?
Deal of the window that Ex-Juve and United wc winning midfield on a free.
Where are these teams? Surely if JPRouve has clocked that its the fault of the management and Pogba is the bees knees others can see that as well?

Well said. Ive never rated Pogba as highly as so many, Pogba himself included, do. I was excited when he signed for us as he was clearly a very talented player, but only very, very rarely has he showed how good he was, or could be; most of the time he was OK at best, but all too often he has been mediocre. Was he ever really committed to Manchester United? I doubt it, I think he liked the idea of being the most expensive player ever, at that time, far more than actually playing. He could have been one of our greatest ever players, even though he never played in a great team; great players make great teams but Pogba was never really interested in "The Team."

 

[Crick]

6 months until the end of this. Can't wait. I wish him luck and thanks for a few good memories but lets move on now.

 

[JPRouve]

So you think if the plan was all along to get Ralf to be here long term instead of some advisory role the club shouldn't have announced it? Instead of some crap interim manager story? Ok fine. I think it would be better for all that are involved from the players to the fans but ok that's just my take on it. But to get back in topic I hope he does then show us some real manager credentials and helps us continue without Pogba.

I don't think I understand your first two questions. I'm saying that what you are suggestion is essentially putting yourself in a corner for no good reason. There is no practical reason to eliminate Rangnick in early December when you don't have a clear idea about what the manager market will look like in May-June, for the board and from a public perception standpoint it's best to keep all doors open until you have a very clear image of the market.
What you are suggesting is a potential PR nightmare because you forced your own hands and if for whatever reason you find yourself in a situation where Rangnick is the best short term option, you either do follow your previous claims or pick an option that you deem inferior in order to not look foolish.

 

[redmanx]

I think most are to be honest through pure curiosity. Unless he transforms I'll be happy that Pogba is going but who knows maybe Ralf will finally find a system for Pogba where all his weaknesses go away.

Also it amuses me that we still have posters who don't know better than to argue with French posters about French players. Don't waste your time.

And how long is Ralf supposed to try different systems just to fit Pogba in? Mourinho and Ole tried and failed to find a system which best suited Pogba; both probably eventually gave up trying knowing that no matter what they came up with Pogba wouldnt like it. We should cut our financial losses and let him go asap.