Pogba

At this point I really don't care what he does, which is damning for someone who is touted as 'world class'.

It's been nearly 6 years of the same arguments...I'm so bored of it now.
 
izzydiggler said:
It's been nearly 6 years of the same arguments...I'm so bored of it now.
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Yeah I know how you feel. Someone was trying to wind me up recently about losing Pogba and my utter indifference ruined the whole thing for them :lol:

Im going to go out on a limb here and predict Pogba will have one of the best spells of his career here with us for the next 4 or 5 months. But end up leaving anyway.
 
Funny how some people take some of these BS quotes as gospel.

Whether he stays or goes, he's currently a United player and no doubt he'll play an important part to the rest of our season when fit.
 
crossy1686 said:
If I was allowed to go on holiday every season when I was injured under a different manager, and then the new manager stopped me from doing that, I'd probably want him gone as well if I didn't give a shit about United
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Really? Custis’ comment suggests the opposite: that Pogba now wants to stay because he likes tough old Ralf.

I’m sure he won’t be the only player to prefer working in a demanding, professional setup rather than a laid back, indulgent one.

I really hope we don’t give a massive pay rise and long contract to a luxury player who’s increasingly injury-prone. But I’m really not sure that the constant digs at Pogba for being lazy and unprofessional are justified.
 
redsunited said:
I won't believe a word from Pogba's camp. This is to temporarily placate the club and fans to get minutes for Pogba before he leaves in summer, so his World Cup plans goes smoothly.
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Exactly this.
 
I'm so bored of this Pogba rumours, it's basically been going on since his 2nd season at club. Even if he plays brilliantly from the next game he plays until this season ends, I'll still just hope he leaves. Too much drama that's been going on for too long.
 
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I'd be happy for him to stay in lower wages. I feel like he's missed more games than he's shown up for.
 
Certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him stay, as who on earth is going to offer even sillier higher wages, even without a fee to pay?
 
Suv666 said:
Buying Pogba was a mistake. We shouldn't go for Neymar, Griezmann, Pogba like players who care more about fame than football.
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Ridiculous take. All three are better and more successful than 99% of people that ever played the sport professionally :lol:
 
Sandikan said:
Certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him stay, as who on earth is going to offer even sillier higher wages, even without a fee to pay?
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PSG

Say Raiola was looking for a £40m signing on fee (instead of a transfer fee), thats £150k a week over 5 years + £300k a wages. Someone will pay it easily.
 
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If Pogba wants to stay it would be great, because he is so talented, though he has mostly been a disappointment so far. But I'm tired of him having to set conditions for who's going to be United's manager. If he wants to be in the club, it must be no matter which manager we get this summer, (unless of course it is directly someone he does not work with on a personal level).
 
Sandikan said:
Certainly wouldn't be surprised to see him stay, as who on earth is going to offer even sillier higher wages, even without a fee to pay?
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Maybe I'm wrong but think there are few clubs out there who would want him: PSG, Juventus, Barca, Real. Perhaps on smaller wages but he'll have to accept that if he wants to play for a big club.
 
BorisManUtd said:
Maybe I'm wrong but think there are few clubs out there who would want him: PSG, Juventus, Barca, Real. Perhaps on smaller wages but he'll have to accept that if he wants to play for a big club.
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Barcelona can barely register signings they've made, I can't see them adding someone else on 400k a week.
The others, time will tell. But he won't get the same brand exposure, which seems important to these players.
 
Suv666 said:
Proves my point even more.
When they can be arsed they play good football but they just don't care about Barca and United. Here for the clout and the Instagram followers.
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- When they can be arsed they play good football or
- When they have a good manager they play good football or
- When they have good quality teammates they play good football or
- When in the right tactics they play good football

This whole "when a player can be arsed" talk is such stupidity. Its pretty clear if good players play with good players with good tactics they play good, nothing shocking. When pogba plays with better players he plays better. For france he plays in a stronger midfield than united has ever had in his time here. For Juve the same. When he has a quality striker up top to play with he puts up assists.

If you don't like Pogba because of personal reasons thats fine do you. But to say that any of our players can't be arsed is silly. If Pogba can't be arsed then what of Mason? Rashford? De Gea? Shaw? pretty much every player at united that has been just as inconsistent as him or worse so clearly the whole team can't be arsed...

If Pogba stays and we give him a stronger midfield to work with or we sell him and buy a stronger midfield we will be better off.

If we keep pogba and expect him to solve the midfield issue on his own or we sell him but don't reinforce the midfield with quality we will suffer.
 
kouroux said:
I don't like all this noise hinting at Rangnick staying longer than the interim period. Have we not learned anything with Ole ?
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I think if Ole had kept up the initial higher pressing and didn’t become the players best friend he might have succeeded here. I don’t feel like Ralf will deviate from his beloved pressing for anyone. We need to be a pressing club and we need to commit to keeping up with modern developments and advantages in the game. All things Ralf will hopefully ensure. So in that regard i think we are in safer hands this time around if we do hire the intern
 
flameinthesun said:
- When they can be arsed they play good football or
- When they have a good manager they play good football or
- When they have good quality teammates they play good football or
- When in the right tactics they play good football

This whole "when a player can be arsed" talk is such stupidity. Its pretty clear if good players play with good players with good tactics they play good, nothing shocking. When pogba plays with better players he plays better. For france he plays in a stronger midfield than united has ever had in his time here. For Juve the same. When he has a quality striker up top to play with he puts up assists.

If you don't like Pogba because of personal reasons thats fine do you. But to say that any of our players can't be arsed is silly. If Pogba can't be arsed then what of Mason? Rashford? De Gea? Shaw? pretty much every player at united that has been just as inconsistent as him or worse so clearly the whole team can't be arsed...

If Pogba stays and we give him a stronger midfield to work with or we sell him and buy a stronger midfield we will be better off.

If we keep pogba and expect him to solve the midfield issue on his own or we sell him but don't reinforce the midfield with quality we will suffer.
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Or. When Paul Pogba plays a match of importance, i.e. national matches, he simply focuses more than against Southampton, Burnley, etc.

It is a mentality thing/cant be arsed thing with him, as he'd rise to the occasion more than just 1-2 times a year and play world class football. He rarely has had focus against mediocre teams and often had bad games against them. One would think it would be easier against mediocre opponents with a man of his talent.
 
Ali Dia said:
I think if Ole had kept up the initial higher pressing and didn’t become the players best friend he might have succeeded here. I don’t feel like Ralf will deviate from his beloved pressing for anyone. We need to be a pressing club and we need to commit to keeping up with modern developments and advantages in the game. All things Ralf will hopefully ensure. So in that regard i think we are safer hands this time around if we do hire the intern
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Do we ignore the idea that he most likely changed the approach because he run the team through the ground(By being terrible at using a full squad). Have a look at the last 10 games of the 18/19 season, we have evidence of why Ole may have changed his approach and yet we are here sharing strange ideas like him wanting to become the players best friend, it's insulting for Ole, the players and the fans intelligence.
 
ROFLUTION said:
Or. When Paul Pogba plays a match of importance, i.e. national matches, he simply focuses more than against Southampton, Burnley, etc.

It is a mentality thing/cant be arsed thing with him, as he'd rise to the occasion more than just 1-2 times a year and play world class football. He rarely has had focus against mediocre teams and often had bad games against them. One would think it would be easier against mediocre opponents with a man of his talent.
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Not really, Pogba is inconsistent with France andhe was inconsistent with Juventus. It's simply that France(since 2016) and Juventus don't expose his flaws and don't base the midfield on him.
 
I'd withdraw the 400k a week contract offer and bang him in the reserves (On the bench) until the end of the season.

See then if any other club will offer him 500k a week?
 
JPRouve said:
Not really, Pogba is inconsistent with France andhe was inconsistent with Juventus. It's simply that France(since 2016) and Juventus don't expose his flaws and don't base the midfield on him.
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Yup, even at Juve he was inconsistent. I think with Pogba (and I think this applies to a lot of players) there are scenarios in which they play well and scenarios in which they could struggle to have an impact and its a coach/managers job to create the ideal tactical scenario to bring out the positive in a player. So with Pogba you really want the midfield around him to not only protect him a bit but also drag some of the opposition midfield away to give a little bit of space to look for the key pass. More importantly you want to create as many scenarios as possible where the forwards are making runs into spaces that pogba can pass into. Now Pogba definitely has an issue with trying to dribble too much in midfield but thats just a trait you either accept or don't as a coach.
 
Was always my worry that he'd struggle to find someone stupid enough to pay a 29 year old an undeserved wage when he regularly has extended periods during recent seasons injured.
 
What would we estimate the total amount United have spent on Pogba — transfer fee plus wages — over the six years? £150 million?
 
JPRouve said:
Do we ignore the idea that he most likely changed the approach because he run the team through the ground(By being terrible at using a full squad). Have a look at the last 10 games of the 18/19 season, we have evidence of why Ole may have changed his approach and yet we are here sharing strange ideas like him wanting to become the players best friend, it's insulting for Ole, the players and the fans intelligence.
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Insuring the fans intelligence? Really? :lol: We were bottom of the league for all pressing defensive actions this season. Fatigue doesn’t come into it. I think we’ve seen that Ole was more than happy to sign, re sign and stock the squad to the extent of it being the most bloated and best paid squad in the country, certainly in this clubs history. Mostl likely so he could rotate and not burn the players out. What he did with those players is his own business. They certainly weren’t pressing anyway! Yes he obviously preferred to play certain players regardless of fitness and form but what has that got to do with giving up on pressing or what I said in my first post? From his second season on he had a deep enough squad to rotate and keep up a decent level of effort off the ball and even that was too much
 
I think RR is going to build the team around Pogba

PP will sign the new contract and wouldnt surprise me if he gets the armband aswell as the sweetener.

All my opinions, and yes I know 99% of this thread will be outraged, but I wont be one of them.
 
Ali Dia said:
Insuring the fans intelligence? Really? :lol: We were bottom of the league for all pressing defensive actions this season. Fatigue doesn’t come into it. I think we’ve seen that Ole was more than happy to sign, re sign and stock the squad to the extent of it being the most bloated and best paid squad in the country, certainly in this clubs history. Mostl likely so he could rotate and not burn the players out. What he did with those players is his own business. They certainly weren’t pressing anyway! Yes he obviously preferred to play certain players regardless of fitness and form but what has that got to do with giving up on pressing or what I said in my first post? From his second season on he had a deep enough squad to rotate and keep up a decent level of effort off the ball and even that was too much
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The answer to your question is in the first sentence of my post, surely you can put it together? When you don't rest(rotate) the team properly, the answer to injuries/fatigue is to reduce intensity, that's surely obvious?
 
JPRouve said:
The answer to your question is in the first sentence of my post, surely you can put it together? When you don't rest(rotate) the team properly, the answer to injuries/fatigue is to reduce intensity, that's surely obvious?
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Yea and we had and still have a massive squad. Consistent Intensity Workrate and the kind of intelligent rotation that hopefully goes along with that shouldn’t be an issue with such a big squad? Ole bottled it. Look at Ralf now picking more intense players and upping energy even to the detriment of quality on the ball. The days of United walking around looking pained when they are tired “because he always plays his favourites” are hopefully over as an excuse. Bruno Rashford AWB Maguire and Shaw have all been benched under Ralf. All players who played pretty much every game under Ole regardless of form and fitness. What does that say to you? Insulting the fans intelligence :lol:
 
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lefty_jakobz said:
I think RR is going to build the team around Pogba

PP will sign the new contract and wouldnt surprise me if he gets the armband aswell as the sweetener.

All my opinions, and yes I know 99% of this thread will be outraged, but I wont be one of them.
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Paul in this team would add so much creativity. I never got the hate for him. He is a modern mercenary like most players. There is just too much money in football to not be an a***** as a player. He is just an honest one.
 
MacarisSocks said:
I'd withdraw the 400k a week contract offer and bang him in the reserves (On the bench) until the end of the season.

See then if any other club will offer him 500k a week?
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But why though? He's one of our best players, if he's fit he should play, whether he's signing a new contract or not.
 
Ali Dia said:
Yea and we had and still have a massive squad. Consistent Intensity Workrate and the kind of intelligent rotation that hopefully goes along with that shouldn’t be an issue with such a big squad? Ole bottled it. Look at Ralf now picking more intense players and upping energy. The days of United walking around looking pained when they are tired “because he always plays his favourites” are hopefully over as an excuse. Bruno Rashford AWB Maguire and Shaw have all been benched under Ralf. All players who played pretty much every game under Ole regardless of form and fitness. What does that say to you? Insulting the fans intelligence :lol:
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It tells me that Ole was a flawed manager, not that he wanted to be friends with players, because he was doing it for players that he eventually barely played like Lingard, Smalling, Young, Martial or Matic. The point about intelligence is that you see the problem, you are aware of the context but somehow decides to got with the tabloid crap instead of simply pointing the finger at an issue that has nothing to do with trying to be friend with players. Ole was a flawed manager, who would stick to a 11 that worked until it is completely destroyed instead of tweaking it and rotating players in order to make it sustainable.
 
AltiUn said:
But why though? He's one of our best players, if he's fit he should play, whether he's signing a new contract or not.
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I agree. We are paying his wages whether we use him or not, right? It's not like him playing will prevent a promising youth player from getting experience... so there's really no downside except for if Pogba plays a stinker.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Paul in this team would add so much creativity. I never got the hate for him. He is a modern mercenary like most players. There is just too much money in football to not be an a***** as a player. He is just an honest one.
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Pogba is one of the players that don't fit the mercenary tag, he is 28 and has moved twice in his professional career.
 
lefty_jakobz said:
I think RR is going to build the team around Pogba

PP will sign the new contract and wouldnt surprise me if he gets the armband aswell as the sweetener.

All my opinions, and yes I know 99% of this thread will be outraged, but I wont be one of them.
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I have a thread prepared for this eventuality. Hopefully I won't need to use it.
 
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